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  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    Thank you for the feedback. Our goal is to have contests everyone enjoys. We have listened to your input in our DraftKings Community what would you like to know? thread. Based on the thoughts from the RG community, we are expanding our 2x cash options to include the following:

    NBA: Featured 20-Max $4 game
    MLB: Any Single Entry/3-max game $20 and under
    MLB: Any 20-Max game $2 and under [starting Saturday]

    We will continue to review the preferences of all our players as it pertains to top prize and payout structure through a mix of qualitative and historical data.

    We’d love to continue to hear your thoughts in this thread, or you can contact us directly. Our goal is to continuously iterate and evolve to maintain a vibrant contest mix for all, and sincerely appreciate all of your engagement.

    Your player advocates,
    Steven & Christie, DraftKings Community Team

  • Babelito84

    Do this for your 150/333/444/555 ones too

  • scott33

    This is encouraging, I just opened a DK account bc the payout structures on FD are very unappealing to me. Like the big $9.99 NBA contest, 1/3 of the payout goes to 1st. Nearly half the 300k prize pool to the top 5. Damn near unattainable for someone like me who only throws 1 or 2 entries in.

  • bigez952

    Great news and it Is really nice to see the flatter payout structure and 2X cash be expanded to other price points.

  • Zieg30

    Appreciate the roll out and the response to feedback, but would love to see DK try this with the larger GPPs. As I mentioned on our other thread, I much prefer a flatter payout structure and generally prefer 2x min cash, but don’t play any of the GPPs you’ve listed.

    If you could try it even just once per week for the main $5 or $6 (or whatever price point you’re at now) MLB GPP, that would be preferable.

  • Kjwhalen77

    Not gonna lie… these changes made me deposit back into DK from being exclusively FD for MLB. Well done, DK.

  • divusjulius

    • Blogger of the Month

    this is great news! if i understand this correctly, for MLB, the $2 tablesetter will have the new structure starting 4/28?

  • tmarohl

    I like the change. Haven’t played the 20 entry max $4 for a long time for NBA. Threw 7 in for tonight because the payout structure is much more appealing.

  • thehazyone

    RG Contributor

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    Great job!

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

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    I personally love knowing that DK is listening, myself. Baby steps!

  • joonyari22

    • Blogger of the Month

    well done adjusting to your consumer feedback DK – keep it up

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Solid job from DK!

  • hendog

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    It’s a good start, but I want to reiterate Zieg30’s point that flatter payouts at the top is most important in the biggest contests. This isn’t just a preference thing—there are mathematical reasons why % to first should go down as contest size increases. In the smaller GPPs, it’s nice but it just doesn’t matter as much.

    Personally this might get me to enter a few lineups here and there but I’m not mass entering again until there’s a big contest with a reasonable payout structure at the top. It’s absolutely insane to have (for example) a $8 contest with so much variance that it would require a $1.5 million bankroll to weather the swings. I know most players aren’t thinking about “how big are the swings that I will need to handle?” before firing off lottery tickets, but I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s paid tens of thousands in rake who does think that way. The swings are always going to be huge with big GPPs, but they could be on the order of $10,000 (as they were in years past) instead of on the order of $1,000,000+.

  • NESBears120

    Yay good job DK

  • btwice80

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    Please stop having 20% of the prize pool going to 1st place in the main mid-stakes ($33-$55) GPP.

  • tmarohl

    @tmarohl said...

    I like the change. Haven’t played the 20 entry max $4 for a long time for NBA. Threw 7 in for tonight because the payout structure is much more appealing.

    Now, it would have been so much sweeter it Rubio didn’t blow a hamstring :)

  • tmarohl

    @hendog said...

    It’s a good start, but I want to reiterate Zieg30’s point that flatter payouts at the top is most important in the biggest contests. This isn’t just a preference thing—there are mathematical reasons why % to first should go down as contest size increases. In the smaller GPPs, it’s nice but it just doesn’t matter as much.

    Personally this might get me to enter a few lineups here and there but I’m not mass entering again until there’s a big contest with a reasonable payout structure at the top. It’s absolutely insane to have (for example) a $8 contest with so much variance that it would require a $1.5 million bankroll to weather the swings. I know most players aren’t thinking about “how big are the swings that I will need to handle?” before firing off lottery tickets, but I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s paid tens of thousands in rake who does think that way. The swings are always going to be huge with big GPPs, but they could be on the order of $10,000 (as they were in years past) instead of on the order of $1,000,000+.

    Absolutely no reason to have a 100K top prize in a 400K gpp. Ten percent top payout max. Absolutely no reason is should be more than 10%. You are not attracting new players with your lottery. If anything, you are turning your existing players off. Cater to your core players who would like to have a possible profitable return on investment. Much easier to do if you flatten the payout structure on all the large GPP’s. With that said, I have no problem with high percentage payouts on smaller, high entry cost GPP’s. I will be in the minority on this comment, but I wouldn’t even have a problem if you increased the rake a percent or two on large GPP’s with a flatter payout structure. That is because I believe rake only affects players that are not good enough to cash.

  • escot4

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    Glad to see some positive changes. Hopefully this will lead to more players profiting and continuing to play for longer.

  • KindGuy

    @tmarohl said...

    I will be in the minority on this comment, but I wouldn’t even have a problem if you increased the rake a percent or two on large GPP’s with a flatter payout structure. That is because I believe rake only affects players that are not good enough to cash.

  • KindGuy

    Is there a thumbs down button on this site?

  • divusjulius

    • Blogger of the Month

    that is a really odd way of thinking. the take out/rake is removed from the total handle pool, thus everyone who makes a wager pays the rake.

  • Kjwhalen77

    Hopefully the flatter payout structure/2X min will apply to PGA as well.

    Edit: The $20 3-max MLB size/structure is perfect for Sunday.

  • DSofM

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    @tmarohl said...

    I will be in the minority on this comment, but I wouldn’t even have a problem if you increased the rake a percent or two on large GPP’s with a flatter payout structure. That is because I believe rake only affects players that are not good enough to cash.

    Proof that the RG badges =/= knowing anything about DFS or mathematics.

  • divusjulius

    • Blogger of the Month

    hey you know if you never play a hand you never pay the rake

  • hendog

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    I will play devil’s advocate and say that there is a more charitable interpretation of tmarohl’s comment: they are saying that “flatter payouts is SO important that I would give almost anything for it, EVEN slightly higher rake.” Frankly, I can understand that opinion; even if overall I would prefer lower rake, there is a tradeoff. For example I wouldn’t play in a 100K-entry winner-take-all tournament even if the rake was half of normal rake. The variance would be way too high. So yes, the payout structure can be so bad that I would rather pay increased rake. Realistically, I’m not going to put in entries either way, but I understand the sentiment. And in fact, if you were to ask me what I find more damaging to my personal long-term DFS bottom line, I would say that the changes in payout structure have been more damaging than the increases in rake. That sentiment implies that I would trade rake for better payout structures. I wish it wouldn’t come to that, but there’s some truth there.

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