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  • PMaravich44

    Hey guys,

    Im new around here been playing DFS for only a month or so and I love it already. Played during NBA season a little bit last year so this is my first football season. Im a recent college grad and I know this is kind of crazy question but is DFS as a career a possibility? Obviously like anything it will take time and practice and a lot of hard work but I was curious if this could possibly turn into a career down the road. I know on this site we have many experts and it seems like a great place to start.

    Appreciate you reading this and your time.

  • xandamere

    I’d say yes. There are several folks on this site who do it. I’m not sure of the numbers. It really comes down to bankroll, though – if you wager, say, 10% of your bankroll per day, and make a long-term ROI of 10% on the amount wagered, you need an awful lot of money to be able to wager enough on a consistent basis in order to make a living, while also maintaining a cash cushion so you’re able to pay rent when you have a bad month.

  • ChaosM83

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    I think that is the goal of a lot of people but the reality of a slim few.

  • GordonHayward20

    Multi entry. Spike a huge guarantee. Have people think it was skill winning with yunel Escobar hitting two hrs. Profit and quit real life job

  • Makisupa

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    No. I’m not saying some people aren’t making that kind of money at the moment, but it won’t last. The combination of sites like RG disseminating good information with the disappearance of overlay will make the games significantly harder. It’s not going to take long for that to happen either. I think as soon as next NFL season the cash games could be effectively unbeatable above all but the lowest levels.

    Enjoy the golden year!

  • xandamere

    I doubt that’s true. Any game of skill is always beatable. Look at poker.

  • CruzinToVictory

    RG Product Coordinator

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    You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Here’s how it works:

    Step 1) Make a RotoGrinders account (you’re already here, well done!)
    Step 2) Post way too much and attempt to be funny – apply gifs liberally (whether you’re actually funny or not is irrelevant)
    Step 3) Start writing the Rise & Grind
    Step 4) Get a job in the industry

    There you go folks, the secret formula to making DFS a career.

  • Taylor

    @xandamere said...

    I doubt that’s true. Any game of skill is always beatable. Look at poker.

    FWIW the guy who posted above you used to play poker professionally and plays huge DFS volume.

    i played poker for a living too and my opinion is the same. there will definitely be some good money in DFS for the short term, but i don’t think there will be many people making a true living at it within a few years from now.

  • xandamere

    But people still play poker for a living. And wouldn’t you agree that a big hit to the viability of poker was the legislation that crushed the online poker industry? I used to play quite a bit (was in college, so I can’t really say it was professional, but made a good bit of side money with it) until they shut down U.S. players. I miss Party Poker, that place was great.

    There’s more and more information out there and so the edge might diminish, but I still think the majority of players will be casual and won’t spend the time to do all of the research, which means players who have the time to do that research, build out models, etc. will still have an edge.

    It’s a long-shot, sure – I’m not saying any average Joe could just quit their job and become a full-time DFS player. But I expect you’ll still see a fair number of top players who make DFS their careers.

  • DillingerFour

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    @CruzinToVictory said...

    You guys are looking at this the wrong way. Here’s how it works:

    Step 1) Make a RotoGrinders account (you’re already here, well done!)
    Step 2) Post way too much and attempt to be funny – apply gifs liberally (whether you’re actually funny or not is irrelevant)
    Step 3) Start writing the Rise & Grind
    Step 4) Get a job in the industry

    There you go folks, the secret formula to making DFS a career.

    +1 +1 +1 +1 +1

  • Galante118

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    I really think you guys are failing to grasp how much room for growth the industry still has. Yes, there is a lot more information available for DFS players, but what percentage of dfs players use it? I would imagine a serious majority don’t use these sites, especially during NFL season. There are just so many players new players with more rolling in each day. The more casual players play, the more full time grinders the ecosystem can sustain.

  • ChaosM83

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    I would love to know for example the percentage of entrants in the monster or the million who are RG members.

  • terrymandangle

    @DillingerFour said...

    +1 +1 +1 +1 +1

    Fuckin Chuck Norris……

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @Galante118 said...

    I really think you guys are failing to grasp how much room for growth the industry still has. Yes, there is a lot more information available for DFS players, but what percentage of dfs players use it? I would imagine a serious majority don’t use these sites, especially during NFL season. There are just so many players new players with more rolling in each day. The more casual players play, the more full time grinders the ecosystem can sustain.

    I’m sure you’ll agree that right now, in 2014, there are a lot more players and money involved than there was in 2011. Ask yourself, is it easier now or 3 years ago? This is a trend that will continue. And seemingly, a necessary evil for the industry if sites are to survive. I’ll echo the sentiments of Taylor and Makisupa, but I sure as hell hope we’re wrong.

  • pmsimkins

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    To be honest I see a lot of really bad information given out along with the good. Some of the worst of it are strategies that are taken as gospel. I’m not too concerned about profitability going down anytime soon.

    What most people neglect to consider though is that you’ll need to make 30%+ more money at DFS than your day job to equal compensation. Being self employed has major downsides.

  • sabresrock29

    I think it would be very hard to have this as a career. You pretty much work for yourself. You have to pay health insurance out of pocket(no employer), you need the bank roll to start, what happens if you hit a cold streak for a week or two? Taxes and to fight rake. It’s possible but I can imagine it’s very hard to do.

  • Davidw6789

    Very small % of people could hope for this. But all it takes is a little bit of skill and a huge amount of luck to hit a few big GPPs and your a millionaire so there ya go.

  • Cameron

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    DraftCheat currently playing pro.

    Hoop4210 interview on quitting his job to play pro.

    Some guy named CSU was playing pro already, then binked a $1M score…

  • YoungFischer

    People under-estimate how many pros were making a living primarily playing on DraftStreet. They had the most pro friendly structure in terms of rake, rewards, salaries, and roster formats. Some will be able to successfully transition to lower ROI sites like FD/DK, but many more will struggle. Longer term I predict we’ll see more pros leave the industry than new pros enter the industry over the next couple of years.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    5+ Years from now at the highest stakes it will be algorithms vs algorithms vs algorithms. But 5 years from now there will be INSANE ACTION at the mid-low stakes, where one wont have to play higher than a $50 game ever and still be able to make $50k+ a year playing DFS.

    There will always be plenty of ways to make money in DFS at the $50 games and below level..you can get well over $10k a week in action in NFL, and well over 3k a night at these stakes in other sports. If you can keep a 5-10% ROI (very possible at the lower stakes), play majority 50/50 and H2H, and have good bankroll management, it’s not that far fetched to make alot of money playing DFS.

    The main issue is coming up with the bankroll to start playing that kind of volume. It’s taken me 3+ years to work the bankroll up to the levels where it’s now viable to play enough action to consider DFS as a full time job. Also I was thankful enough to be afforded an opportunity to work here for RG, which has really helped my game move to the next level.

    Start writing some blogs here on RG about your thought about just about anything DFS, you would be surprised the impact that can have for you for both DFS opportunity, and the help it brings to your DFS game.

  • skeeter1114

    • Blogger of the Month

    @britdevine said...

    Start writing some blogs here on RG about your thought about just about anything DFS, you would be surprised the impact that can have for you for both DFS opportunity, and the help it brings to your DFS game.

    DFS has certainly made me a better overall fantasy player, and it has translated over to season-long for me. I’m still using fantasy sports as a hobby; however, this football season may let me expand on that, as I’m trying my hand at writing (A blog here and a sit/start article for a website), as well as hosting an hour radio show on a local ESPN station on Sunday mornings. I don’t know if any of these things will ever lead to anything big or significant, but if I’m ever going to be full-time in the industry, it won’t be playing, but talking about it instead.

  • ryanms3030

    Will DFS be around 10 years from now? 20 years from now? When I think of the word career for someone who just finished college I would want something that would last.

  • e4e5nf3nc6

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    @Taylor said...

    FWIW the guy who posted above you used to play poker professionally and plays huge DFS volume.

    i played poker for a living too and my opinion is the same. there will definitely be some good money in DFS for the short term, but i don’t think there will be many people making a true living at it within a few years from now.

    Pretty much agree with this.

    When I was in first grade, I thought I could dominate tic-tac-toe for the rest of my life. What happened? Eventually everybody figured out the best strategery and we all started losing a crayola crayon to the rake.

  • Taylor

    @Cameron said...

    DraftCheat currently playing pro.

    Hoop4210 interview on quitting his job to play pro.

    Some guy named CSU was playing pro already, then binked a $1M score…

    These are very high profile examples. If I had to guess, I would say there might be 10-15 more guys who count DFS as their only (or even primary) source of income.

    I would assume you have better information than me being a part of RG, do you think playing DFS as a career is something that’s likely to happen for more than all but a handful of people? If so, why isn’t it happening yet?

  • soobv

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    @Taylor said...

    These are very high profile examples. If I had to guess, I would say there might be 10-15 more guys who count DFS as their only (or even primary) source of income.

    I would assume you have better information than me being a part of RG, do you think playing DFS as a career is something that’s likely to happen for more than all but a handful of people? If so, why isn’t it happening yet?

    DFS as a career just doesn’t make sense. You do your research and set lineups and that is it. In poker, you had to physically play poker for hours and hours. With DFS, you research when you want to and then lineups lock. Rinse and repeat the next day.

  • ChaosM83

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    @soobv said...

    DFS as a career just doesn’t make sense. You do your research and set lineups and that is it. In poker, you had to physically play poker for hours and hours. With DFS, you research when you want to and then lineups lock. Rinse and repeat the next day.

    Getting the research together can take hours, especially for daily sports like NBA and MLB. For NFL you have more time obviously, but the other sports can take hours of research, then you have to see the lineups when the are available and follow to make sure no late scratches. So it isn’t as easy as setting your lineup and walking away.

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