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  • Jason10

    I am in a DK contest and someone named “maxdalury” has 130+ entries. I dont understand why DK and FD do not have large tournaments with a single entry, or maybe like 5 to 10 entries only gpps? With 130+ entries what skill do you really need? Just stack every mlb team playing for starters, then make unique entries. I mean whats the point of advertising on tv, etc., when new users will be fustrated when they see the leaderboard filled with the same name? At this point its not a skill game, its a game of who has the most entries/most money willing to spend. I dont think allowing this unlimited entry thing will do anything good for recruiting new players to stay and continue playing DFS. Also when’s the last time someone placed 1st in a large gpp contest, with only one entry?

    I know not everyone will agree with my logic, so let the rambling start.

  • Bigo1

    I totally understand the pros of multi-entries, mainly: – the prize pools get larger – a single entry LU will still face X number of teams (X being made of many single entries or a smaller amount of multi-entries)

    I just say we have a lot of education work to do in order to preserve an eco-system that will attract new players and keep them interested in DFS as long as possible.

    We should not merely say ‘those new guys are stupid, they dont get it’ – like so many ppl do right now

  • jonconnington

    DFS is certainly a game of skill. There is still luck involved though. You can have both.

  • atfrost

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    @Bigo1 said...

    I just say we have a lot of education work to do in order to preserve an eco-system that will attract new players and keep them interested in DFS as long as possible.

    The opportunity to turn $3 into $10,000 will keep people interested in DFS for far longer than seeing MaxDalury’s name will keep them out. If the big sites were truly worried about this, then they would listen to the gripers on these message boards. But they aren’t worried and they shouldn’t be.

    These arguments have been made time and time and time and time (wait for it) and time again. Thinking stacking every team gives you an almost certain chance at a big night? Wrong. Great example: a night where no teams scored over 5 runs. Every stack was worthless then.

    Think Maxdalury’s 100 entries are spoiling your night? Wrong. The next time you see something like “Maxdalury (73)” on top of one of the DK leaderboards, scroll down to the bottom of the leaderboard and thank “Maxdalury (52)” for that worthless lineup that is boosting you up closer to cashing.

    Can’t win without multiple lineups? Wrong. The PGA millionaire maker was won by someone who had a SINGLE entry that he won by entering a SINGLE entry into a $5 qualifier.

    Last but not least, insert spill about Al Smizzle’s Quarter Arcade Challenge. You hear people moan and whine about how they could have so much money if they just already had enough money to enter a ton of lineups. Well there’s your chance. Go put in 100 lineups ($25) into the Quarter Arcade everyday. One of three things will happen: 1) You’ll see a great ROI because there is no way that you can lose with this many entries, 2) You’ll realize after awhile that you’re just sort of hovering around break even, or 3) You’ll become overwhelmed and stressed out by that amount of entries that you’ll realize that unless youre a highly skilled player (cue McJester) its just not worth the time it takes to do all these lineups. Try to deal with a late scratch when you have 100+ lineups without pulling your hair out.

    Most likely scenario: #3.

    I think that about sums up every logical argument that’s ever been made about this subject.

  • Mindofigor

    Last night I was in a $50 double up on DK and yadacao had about 50 LU train… well, he ended up not cashing. Point is, play low money games until you consistently start to win, and then it won’t matter how many lineups somebody makes.

    If you were in their position, you’d do it too.

  • Skycap

    So its “annoying” to see someone continue to put 100’s of lineups in these gpp’s? I think if someone explained that to him, maybe he’d slow down.

  • Taterchipdip

    Why is Maxdalury brought up every time someone doesn’t think DFS is fair? Maxdalury is a high volume big player, but he is very beatable and way overrated. I play him all the time in the steps tournaments on DK. Hes good for a challenge but I beat him quite often. Just the other night I beat him by 26 points.

  • Jax

    As DFS continues to grow, more people will play, means bigger contests, bigger payouts. Limiting multi-entries into these larger GPP’s is counter-productive for the sites, who want to increase the volume of traffic. And it’s each player’s prerogative to multi-enter as much as they so desire, and capable of doing so.

    “A rising tide lifts all boats”…

  • ebsteelers

    the pros per say have a big enough roll to survive (variance) down days, and probably have the best excel models out there. its not like they are picking names out of a hat so there is skill obviously there.
    its pretty impressive to do that for every sport.. and i’d love to see how it is done.

    most nights i cant get to a decent number on dk to make any money out of this, always have a few players shyt the bed (and get the whole well your line up was good, just variance crap) so it is frustrating but it is what it is. and when your a smaller player you’ll notice the variance more cause we arent cashing large 50k gpps etc

    edit: prime example today, i was deciding between a rod and chris davis…went with a rod after using grinders, and a few other sites to come to that conclusion.

    naturally davis hit a 3 run bomb in the first inning..
    same shyt happend the other day with cepesedes and jd.

    smh

  • KaiBang

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  • ebsteelers

    orioles stack for the early win.

    if you a decent enough bankroll, you’d would be able to stack a few of the combinations with the different pitchers and would hit big on one of them

  • bhdevault

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    atfrost’s post was perfect. I feel like we should just close any thread where this comes up with his post. Reread it again everyone.

  • ebsteelers

    the frustrating thing for posters who dont have the large bankrolls, is when the top guys always seem to have that guy that goes off on a nightly basis, like braun, davis today. Those top guys have the rolls, to create 100 lines up so one of them will have the perfect combo.

    Braun has 5 rbis and 2 hrs today.. and he had what 1 hit in his last 15 at bats? and he’ll probably go back to being a turd tomorrow.

  • bhdevault

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    ebsteelers,

    I attacked NBA hard this year in GPP’s and did pretty well for myself. I tried doing the same thing in MLB from day one until now and I’ve done nothing but lose money.

    I have a big bankroll. I have been multi-entering GPP’s. Know why I’m not doing well in MLB? It’s because I’m not very good at it.

    So, I have the BR to enter 100 lineups (normally I do around 50 in the $2 squeeze), yet I don’t win? Isn’t what your saying is it’s automatic that you’ll win if you enter that much?

    Once again, reread atfrost’s post and give the quarter arcade on DK a shot, see how hard it actually is.

  • ebsteelers

    @bhdevault said...

    ebsteelers,

    I attacked NBA hard this year in GPP’s and did pretty well for myself. I tried doing the same thing in MLB from day one until now and I’ve done nothing but lose money.

    I have a big bankroll. I have been multi-entering GPP’s. Know why I’m not doing well in MLB? It’s because I’m not very good at it.

    So, I have the BR to enter 100 lineups (normally I do around 50 in the $2 squeeze), yet I don’t win? Isn’t what your saying is it’s automatic that you’ll win if you enter that much?

    Once again, reread atfrost’s post and give the quarter arcade on DK a shot, see how hard it actually is.

    Good post. I am just saying how I can see people who get frustrated when someone who is considered a great player is always up there. and it seems like max is the name always mentioned.

    So obviously there is a skill involved there.. if your not good at it naturally your not gonna be up there. And no im not saying its automatic, but if you have enough funds, and you can stack all the early games, if you hit on pitching you have a better chance at hitting for some cash.

    But, Its one of the reason i dont care that max or whoever is at the top because I stink lately and need to worry more about putting effort into getting a lineup that consistently be in the 120 on dk rather than in the 80s etc.

    I see both sides of the coin. herse to turning it around!

  • razorsharp79

    @Jason10 said...

    I am in a DK contest and someone named “maxdalury” has 130+ entries. I dont understand why DK and FD do not have large tournaments with a single entry, or maybe like 5 to 10 entries only gpps? With 130+ entries what skill do you really need? Just stack every mlb team playing for starters, then make unique entries. I mean whats the point of advertising on tv, etc., when new users will be fustrated when they see the leaderboard filled with the same name? At this point its not a skill game, its a game of who has the most entries/most money willing to spend. I dont think allowing this unlimited entry thing will do anything good for recruiting new players to stay and continue playing DFS. Also when’s the last time someone placed 1st in a large gpp contest, with only one entry?

    I know not everyone will agree with my logic, so let the rambling start.

    I could see this turning off players, but in reality the amount of entries does not guaranteed a great score. I have put 25 into a GPP and won nothing while putting 1 in a GPP and winning 1,250. Top players do not always hedge correctly and that is GOOD for the average player. Let him take up 1,200 spots and have a crappy day, more money for me and YOU…lol

    Also, to the guys who play 100 LUs or even 50 you do not have a wife and kids at home and a 9-5 job, but regardless it is hard as hell to put 50 quality lineups out there, that takes a lot of knowledge and skill

  • bhdevault

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    @razorsharp79 said...

    I could see this turning off players, but in reality the amount of entries does not guaranteed a great score. I have put 25 into a GPP and won nothing while putting 1 in a GPP and winning 1,250. Top players do not always hedge correctly and that is GOOD for the average player. Let him take up 1,200 spots and have a crappy day, more money for me and YOU…lol

    Also, to the guys who play 100 LUs or even 50 you do not have a wife and kids at home and a 9-5 job, but regardless it is hard as hell to put 50 quality lineups out there, that takes a lot of knowledge and skill

    Actually I have a wife, kids and run a business. I agree on the hard as hell part, which most don’t seem to understand.

  • barro

    I understand the frustration in trying to win a GPP with one entry when someone else has 130+ but people have to get over that mentality of 1st or bust. Correct me if Im wrong but everyones goal should be to be profitable. Well if a GPP pays between 10-20% of entrants thats where you want to be and if you happen to be in the top then its gravy.

    here comes the rub: Its in the single entry players favor to have people playing multi-entries. See you are playing your best LU. A Multi guy is presumably playing his best 130+ which ultimately will include a majority of flops. Especially in baseball were Multi guys try to stack close to all 30 teams. last I check most teams score

  • Warriv

    While I completely agree that entering multiple lineups is a skill (or more accurately being able to profitably enter multiple lineups), it is also a myth that we need to allow unlimited buy-ins to support big tournaments.

    Just as an example if tournaments were limited to 25 entries per person, in last night’s medium homerun on draftkings (6337 entrants, $150,000 prize pool), there would have only been 16 individuals impacted by that limit for a total of 624 excess entries. Since the tournament filled, I’m guessing many/most/all of those entries would have still gotten used by someone else, but even if none of those seats would have been filled draftkings still would have raked in over $12k profit from that tournament alone.

    I’m not saying tournaments should be limited, but if it makes casual players feel better setting the max number of entries to 25 (or whatever number), it could be worth it in the long run and would also have minimal impact on the overall prize pools.

  • Z06Fanatic

    I dont get the argument “ I dont have a big enough bankroll” – you can enter 100 entries into the 25 cent contests for 25 dollars – go enter and let us know when you get killed how easy it is to win with a “big bankroll”…..too many idiots

  • LarsonLarsen

    Where did anyone say it was “easy” to win with a bigger roll?

    Does mass entering give a huge edge? Yes.

    Has anyone said its easy? Not that I’ve seen.

  • Yukerboy

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    DFS is 73% skill and 27% luck.

    Chess is 100% skill.

    CandyLand is 100% luck.

    Believe everything you read on the internet.

  • kantiger77

    As a two-week DFS player on DraftKings, at first this irritated me too until I actually studied it a little more. Some quick thoughts:

    1. Soemtimes the people who have a huge amount of entries — they are identical in nature. So you can pass a whole slew of people.

    2. If someone is willing to put in the time and effort to put in some 100 entries, good for them.

    3. To what others have said, I have placed in contests where I had a single entry and I’ve done terrible in contests where I’ve had multiple entries. In fact, in the NBA playoffs with only two games, I had several 25 cent entries in an attempt to basically find several possible combinations. Only two of them placed.

    So, my advice is come up with your own strategy. I mix up a little. I don’t play anything larger than $3. If I want “easy money”, I go with some safe 50/50 plays with $1 and build my cash up. The other night, I played a 25 center and won $20 — I was quite excited.

    Key thing is just learning it.

  • vegas0205

    Some skill but mostly luck. I took down a $25 FFFC Football tournament back in October and it was only my third week playing On Fanduel. Haven’t done crap since. definitely more luck than skill for sure.

  • jmo26

    @vegas0205 said...

    Some skill but mostly luck. I took down a $25 FFFC Football tournament back in October and it was only my third week playing On Fanduel. Haven’t done crap since. definitely more luck than skill for sure.

    Well, at least you used some solid scientific evidence to support your response.

    For those who win once, sure, I’d credit it largely to luck; however, for those who win on a consistent basis, or perhaps even make a decent living from this, I’d say there’s a whole lot of skill involved.

    The fact that some get lucky and hit it big on a single tournament isn’t evidence that the game is predominantly luck… it’s just evidence that some people, on occasion, get very lucky.

  • vegas0205

    Ok sorry I didn’t give you a detailed response to the question. I was playing fantasy football for 3 weeks never ever had played prior to that. I would bet on sports. Only research I did do came from Rotogrinder info. You can sit and research for 10 hours doesn’t necessarily mean your going to pick the right players that will bring home that big payday. All comes down to needing that luck as well as some knowledge of the game you are playing.

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