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  • HardGronkLife

    I’ve had Fantasylabs for about a week with varied results. Their NBA data has been extremely hit or miss. I spend time digging through their data daily finding all the best matchups and I end up losing more often than winning. I’m considering cancelling my subscription. What has your experience been and do you find it worth the price?

  • txdave41

    I’m starting to believe that the only people really having consistent profitable success with DFS are ones peddling products like this. But all they are selling is an intangible illusion that their product will give you that edge to win.

  • darkknight007

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    There’s nothing more liberating than doing your own research but capitalism will prevail and I don’t mind those two capitalists charging people up the wazoo💰😬💸

  • yeahthisiscuddy

    They’re good if you want to max enter tournaments. Don’t buy them thinking their projections will give you any real edge.

  • HoneyBadgerDFS

    invest in a product that teaches you HOW to pick players… not WHAT players to pick?

    w/e product you invest in should give you a skillset that leads you to plays that are good.

    after that it is game selection.

  • Jvanspro

    I only play cash so I don’t subscribe to either. However, I will tell you that RG incentives is cheaper and help you learn how to put yourself in the best position for constructing a solid lineup rather than just optimize a lineup.

  • MrFantasy

    If you are a winning player. Yes. If not, it won’t make you a winning player.

  • Mod518

    It’s usually not PC to post on one site’s board about other products. Anyway, comparing RGs product to those others. FL is backed by Bales and Ram and they are both beasts in the industry. FL to me feels much more like a database of information. If you dont have a solid process I dont think FL will help. RotoQL to me is the same, a database of the information. You need to have a solid process to use it. RG gives you a lot of information for free, but the access to the many good players that work for RG and their rankings for the day is the advantage. The writeups at RG talk about the process and point out things each player looks for building their lineups. It’s a very different product offered at a different level of player. I am not for or against premium products but personal bankroll and ROI should be considered when making the decision.

  • Cal

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    Hey Gronk, have you tried our 7 day free trial? We’ve got a variety of content behind our paywall so you may find something you like.

    All projections/premium sites will miss on some days because there is so much true variance in athlete performance. That’s one of the reasons we like offering a variety of premium pieces from a variety of expert players – there’s something to learn from each of them.

  • BmoreClutch

    All of these premium sites take advantage of the average DFS player IMO. Like does anyone honestly think that Saahil Sud actually uses RotoQL? Of course he doesn’t. It’s all a scheme to lure in the casual player. They see the #1 DFS player attached to a site and think by paying $50 a month they’ll magically become a DFS pro.

    Seriously why would any DFS pro give out their secrets to success? Their goal is to make as much money as possible. Giving out their actual secrets to success would only make that harder for them.

  • Foreman84

    @BmoreClutch said...

    Like does anyone honestly think that Saahil Sud actually uses RotoQL?

    I am pretty confident he does. I have played him H2H and we had pretty much the same lineup but one guy on multiple nights.

  • HardGronkLife

    Thank you all for your responses. It sounds like I prchased this to soon to do me any good. Maybe I need to try again when I’m more experienced. Problem is, you buy these products specifically because you are new and want to be on an even playing field with everyone else. Thanks again.

  • HardGronkLife

    If that’s true, shame on them for taking advantage of people. I want to believe they are selling a product they believe in. Then again, they are all about money. Not that I don’t like money 😉

  • HardGronkLife

    Sound advice. Thank you.

  • HardGronkLife

    I’m definitely going to give incentives a try at some point.

  • HardGronkLife

    I’m not to concerned with being PC when I’m asking for friendly advice. It sounds like I may need to try these products when I’m more skilled. Crazy part is, I bought these specifically because I am new hoping to be on equal ground with the competition. Thanks for the response.

  • HardGronkLife

    I haven’t yet, but I plan to soon. Thanks!

  • BmoreClutch

    @Foreman84 said...

    I am pretty confident he does. I have played him H2H and we had pretty much the same lineup but one guy on multiple nights.

    I’m not sure how that proves he uses RotoQL. The sharp players are always going to be on the same guys most nights. Saahil was incredibly productive long before RotoQL. I highly doubt he would stop using his own algorithm/program to use RotoQL.

    But for the sake of this discussion lets assume he does use RotoQL. Do you really think he’s using the data on there?

  • fathalpert

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    I think sites like RotoGrinders and FantasyLabs that aggregate data and teach process/game theory are great. Many players are just looking for lineup optimizers and that’s not a sustainable long term business in my opinion.

    When I started playing DFS, I thought lineup optimizers were all I needed because I could just plug in a lineup and watch the money come in. It obviously doesn’t work that way because of variance, as Cal mentioned above. The more I played, the more I came to value data and process so I could make my own informed decisions. This is just my two cents.

  • S7ubs

    @BmoreClutch said...

    I’m not sure how that proves he uses RotoQL. The sharp players are always going to be on the same guys most nights. Saahil was incredibly productive long before RotoQL. I highly doubt he would stop using his own algorithm/program to use RotoQL.

    But for the sake of this discussion lets assume he does use RotoQL. Do you really think he’s using the data on there?

    I’m pretty sure he is the creator of RotoQL if I’m not mistaken

    Just checked his twitter

    This was his pinned tweet

    Proud to finally launch RotoQL, an all-in-one DFS workstation, to the DFS community.

  • BmoreClutch

    @S7ubs said...

    I’m pretty sure he is the creator of RotoQL if I’m not mistaken

    Just checked his twitter

    This was his pinned tweet

    Proud to finally launch RotoQL, an all-in-one DFS workstation, to the DFS community.

    He’s the co-founder of RotoQL. That doesn’t mean he uses the product that he’s selling. A lot of companies partner with big names to draw in consumers.

    I’ve used RotoQL. There’s nothing special about it. You’re not getting some secret data that makes you a better DFS player. It’s an optimizer. Which we all know is only as good as the projections you put in it. Their in house projections are basically baseline projections which anyone can do on their own. It’s pretty well known that those are not Saahil’s projections. And then you have the option to buy projections from outside sources.

    This isn’t meant to bash Saahil. I personally don’t agree with the way he plays DFS, but you can’t deny that the guy is great at it. I just think it’s pretty foolish to think that you’re actually using the same data/algorithm as the #1 player in DFS.

  • tom12345

    I play in the same tourneys as saahil and am fairly confident he uses his own product for all the sports, but am 99% certain he does for hockey.
    Fantasy labs is awesome, but it takes about 6 months of tinkering for each sport before you know how to use the tools properly.
    Rotogrinders is an unbelievable product and value, but far different then the ones you mentioned. As a beginner you will get the most right out of the box from grinders. But regardless of skill level, I think you will not get anything out of fantasylabs if you don’t tinker and review people’s lineups that you know are using the product.

  • danbutakov26

    at the end of the day, you’ll see all the research boil down to a handful of players you’ll be CONVINCED to play because the numbers look sound.

    Honestly, the only site i pay for is this one, Rotogrinders..because the site is very easy to use, affordable, i like that in the premium section you get opinions from like 10 different “experts” .. the articles are good, Noto’s Daily cheat sheet is helping me tremendously

    If your going to pay for help, i would really say just pick ONE to pay for, if you dont like it, cancel it and pay for another. but no need to pay for 3-4 at a time.

    or just use rotogrinders lol

  • SoccerPwincess

    @BmoreClutch said...

    Seriously why would any DFS pro give out their secrets to success? Their goal is to make as much money as possible. Giving out their actual secrets to success would only make that harder for them.

    Why would any DFS pro or website give out their secrets to success, or their top picks, including this one right here? Even more so if those same people who are providing you with that information, are your opponents in DFS tournaments. I’m not defending RotoQL, just pointing out that you could say the same thing about every single DFS website.

    To answer the OP, neither of those tools are going to magically make you a better player, and unless you are playing a higher volume of entries, those websites/tools are going to help you even less.

  • FantasyTime69

    I’ve used fantasy labs for quite a while and have had no luck with it. I created my own model and made sure it was historically more accurate than the default models. Yet I don’t get how to use fantasy labs to win. It seems even if you have a good model you can’t just click optimize and win. You also can’t go to each position and take the top play and do well. So I have no clue how to use fantasy labs and its disappointing cause i think the data they have is great but i havent been able to justify the price with the lack of help out there on how to get the most out of your model.

  • fathalpert

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    @SoccerPwincess said...

    Why would any DFS pro or website give out their secrets to success, or their top picks, including this one right here? Even more so if those same people who are providing you with that information, are your opponents in DFS tournaments. I’m not defending RotoQL, just pointing out that you could say the same thing about every single DFS website.

    To answer the OP, neither of those tools are going to magically make you a better player, and unless you are playing a higher volume of entries, those websites/tools are going to help you even less.

    Regarding why a pro would give out their top picks, it’s because 1) their reputation is on the line and 2) it’s their job. Sure, some people can come into the forums and throw out all sorts of false information to try and throw the competition off. But let’s say ESPN or DraftKings hires you as a contracted analyst and gives you your own article. In that case, there’s no way I’m going to give out bad information on purpose. My name, face, reputation, and finances are directly tied to me giving good information. If I’m touting awful players, the contractor can just let me go and find someone else to write the article.

    If you’re ever concerned that a pro is giving bad information, the easiest thing to do is track their GPP lineups and see if they play the players they tout.

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