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  • QSchoolDropOut

    I am new to this.

    So, a couple of days ago I finished in 200th place out of 20,000 teams and I doubled my money for $10.

    So I finished in the top 1 percent and I only doubled my money.

    It would appear that head to head is the only way to win. These other games seem to be trying to win the lottery.

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    What contest was that in? That sounds unusual.

    Even in the most top-heavy of top-heavy tournaments (like the PGA Milly Maker), top 1% pays a minimum of 3x. Which in itself is pretty low, but that is the nature of the game in a tournament that pays 40% of the prizepool to 1st.

    I usually find most GPP’s pay around 5x minimum for a top 1% finish… and that is mostly in the small dollar huge field contests. The smaller the field the greater x payout for a top 1% finish.

    It is definitely something to take into account when deciding which tournaments to sign up for, and can go a long way in hurting/helping the bankroll.

    Just look at the MLB contests today. You have the $130K moonshot where a top 1% finish gets you 5x. Or you can play in the $12K slider (3-entry max) where a top 1% finish gets you 8x-10x. Generally, smaller contests/leagues have better multiples.

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    That is of course until you get into the top 0.00….% finishing spots where you can win a lot more in the large field contests compared to smaller field contests

  • awesemo

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    I would recommend 50/50s over head to heads for newer players. It’s difficult to get good matchups unless you’re an established player.

  • zshoom

    • 2016 Single Entry Series Finalist

    H2H is worse in my opinion. Full of big bankroll guys who scoop up all the games and bet thousands per night.

    Play smaller tournaments (under 5k entries), 20-100 man leagues, 5x multipliers and your 200/20k lineup will turn 5 bucks into 25-200 instead of 10. You won’t win the thousand dollar plus payouts, but you can make money this way.

    As the guy above says though – finishing 200th out of 20,000 seems like it should have netted more than 2x.

  • QSchoolDropOut

    I may have exaggerrated what the actual numbers were but that is certainly how it felt.

    Maybe I turned 3 bucks into 6 bucks.

  • dtrain187

    As others stated, H2H contests are overwhelmingly filled with sharks. Try to find large field, single entry 50/50 & double ups (hard to find these days) or as close as you can get. Then maybe a few H2H’s if you think you can find some fish to beat, but any fish are usually scooped up by the sharks rather quickly. Maybe sprinkle some triple ups or other multipliers and then throw one dart in a GPP in case it blows up. Lastly, stick with one lineup for all of these contests, unless you are doing multi-entry GPP’s, which as you mentioned, is basically like playing the lottery.

  • QSchoolDropOut

    Can you choose who you play in H2H?

    It seems like they always just place me somewhere. I am wondering if I am missing something?

  • madmanjayWV

    you can select an opponent in the lobby

  • QSchoolDropOut

    But shouldn’t I be allowed to opt out if I don’t want to play against someone???????

    So, the smart thing to do if you are worried about someone taking advantage of you would be to enter at the last second

  • deejones49

    H2H the worst play try 50/50

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    @QSchoolDropOut said...

    But shouldn’t I be allowed to opt out if I don’t want to play against someone???????

    So, the smart thing to do if you are worried about someone taking advantage of you would be to enter at the last second

    There are 2 options when playing head-to-heads.

    The first option is to create your own games. When you do this, anybody can take your games (there are some exceptions, but essentially anybody can take your games). If you have an issue with that…

    The second option is to select your opponent in the lobby. Just like it sounds, you literally select your opponent in the lobby so you have total control over who you play against. This is what you should do if you are overly concerned with who is taking your games. I suggest taking some time to select your opponents. Maybe look them up, or see if they have any badges or whatever. If you do not find any opponents that you want to play against, be patient if you have time. Try refreshing the page.

    To answer your questions, I think you are not able to opt out because that would be unfair to an opponent who has already put money down to play against you. And I do not think that entering last second will change anything as far as who can take your games.

    It is good that you are paying attention to game selection, it is important. You may want to try selecting your opponents from the lobby for a period, and pay attention to how those opponents perform. Then try creating your own head-to-heads for a period, and see how those opponents perform. Also try 50/50’s and other contests to see what works best for you. From all the responses it sounds like H2H’s are not the way to go.

  • noddy

    You could enter a bunch of 50/50’s and not cash in any of them, but enter the same lineup in h2h’s and still cash some of them

  • BennyRamirez

    @noddy said...

    You could enter a bunch of 50/50’s and not cash in any of them, but enter the same lineup in h2h’s and still cash some of them

    Your mediocre 50/50 LUs can sweep while losing some of the h2hs. It depends. There is also the factor of selecting h2hs, something for which most just don’t have the time.

    I’m an advocate of h2hs for people to safely build a roll. But there is a time investment in selection. I think I’m a serious player, for a rec, but I rarely have the time to select games and just find myself joining every 50/50 and DU I can if I’m too late to just say, “fuck it” and toss 50 entries into the $2 DU within the last hour before lock.

  • Shipmymoney

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    You can still print money posting $1 and $2 h2hs

  • nihilist

    @BennyRamirez said...

    Your mediocre 50/50 LUs can sweep while losing some of the h2hs. It depends. There is also the factor of selecting h2hs, something for which most just don’t have the time.

    I’m an advocate of h2hs for people to safely build a roll. But there is a time investment in selection. I think I’m a serious player, for a rec, but I rarely have the time to select games and just find myself joining every 50/50 and DU I can if I’m too late to just say, “fuck it” and toss 50 entries into the $2 DU within the last hour before lock.

    yeah, generally, if your lineup puts up a score in the ~60th percentile you will win ~60% of your H2Hs ,and lose all of your 50/50s.

    score in the ~40th percentile you will win ~40% of your H2Hs and lose all of your 50/50s.

    and so on…

  • nihilist

    @QSchoolDropOut said...

    I am new to this.

    So, a couple of days ago I finished in 200th place out of 20,000 teams and I doubled my money for $10.

    So I finished in the top 1 percent and I only doubled my money.

    It would appear that head to head is the only way to win. These other games seem to be trying to win the lottery.

    try looking at the payout structure before entering if you’re not happy with how the GPP pays out.

  • jr1886

    • 2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @Shipmymoney said...

    You can still print money posting $1 and $2 h2hs

    Can you expand on that, Ship?

  • Shipmymoney

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    @jr1886 said...

    Can you expand on that, Ship?

    If you post h2hs at $1 and $2 most of the people that scoop you are surprisingly bad

  • jr1886

    • 2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @Shipmymoney said...

    If you post h2hs at $1 and $2 most of the people that scoop you are surprisingly bad

    Interesting. I always thought and heard it was better to pick your opponent in the h2hs instead of being picked. Apparently some exceptions to that rule do exist. Thanks

  • cplatt87

    @jr1886 said...

    Interesting. I always thought and heard it was better to pick your opponent in the h2hs instead of being picked. Apparently some exceptions to that rule do exist. Thanks

    $5 and above its always better to pick – whenever I post a bunch of $5 or $10 H2H’s they almost always get picked by sharks. The $1 and $2 H2H’s are still pretty soft though, I agree.

  • jr1886

    • 2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @cplatt87 said...

    $5 and above its always better to pick – whenever I post a bunch of $5 or $10 H2H’s they almost always get picked by sharks. The $1 and $2 H2H’s are still pretty soft though, I agree.

    Could it be that the entry limits on Fanduel are having this effect? And have you experienced this across NFL, on the one hand, and NBA and MLB, on the other? The limits are much lower in NBA and MLB than NFL, so one may be more likely to be picked by a shark in NFL than the other sports.

  • mjordantmac

    • 2016 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    I have not played a h2h in years…

  • bhdevault

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    @Shipmymoney said...

    If you post h2hs at $1 and $2 most of the people that scoop you are surprisingly bad

    Agree.

  • peachfuzz

    • Blogger of the Month

    Throwing a single bullet into a GPP probably won’t make you much money unless you catch fire, and take it down. Very unlikely.

    Multiple unique lineups in GPPs is the way to go, and you can certainly make money there.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    H2H’s are clearly better than 50/50’s or Double ups for a number of reasons

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