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  • Morley

    There’s a particular format that’s not that popular that I excel in.

    There another player who also loves this format, he’s extremely good putting out very strong lineups, likely an overall winner, but I’m regularly beating him by about 5% points so I win roughly 70% of the time.

    Since the two of us are only high volume players of this format and there’s no way to block the other player, I started feeling bad once our sample size made it abundantly clear I had a huge edge.

    At one point I stopped joining all his contests, only joining half, then completely stopped, but then he kept joining mine so I figured he wanted action and kept playing him.

    Now he’s stopped sitting mine but will occasionally join a slate of mine but leave most alone while still creating many of his own.

    I have a similar experience with another player, one who nearly always has a lineup identical to my own (must use similar analytics for lineup construction) or one or two guys differently and his pivots are usually better than my own. I see no interest in paying rake to tie or sightly lose to him so avoid playing him at all costs, it was incredibly annoying needing to drop out and create new contests whenever he joined.

    Thing is this other guy doesn’t drop out when I join his contests but maybe he doesn’t know he can do that?

    What do other high volume players think about this, they must certainly run into dominated situations. What do you guys do?

    Part of me thinks he’s down to play and I’d be leaving money on the table not to join, the other part of me thinks I’m being an asshole, talking all joy out of dfs just joining all his contests whenever I see them in the lobby. I’ve played this guy in hundreds of contests, I don’t see him playing other formats, he’s probably 2/3 my total contests like this, I imagine I represent similar % if not more of his.

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  • Morley

    So you’re saying I shouldn’t worry I’m tormenting the guy and keep playing I take it

  • IronMonkey415

    You play to win the game.
    Keep winning until there is nothing left of him.

  • NIN1002

    I have no idea what you were talking about. Very confusing.

    Best I can gather is we are playing a big boy game. If you don’t like playing the big boy game, there are free 2 play groups out there or perhaps one can play for lower total $$$. If you have found yourself your own special fish, then congrats on that. If the fish is a whale and has an unlimited bankroll, then what a deal!!!

    You are not responsible for another player’s bankroll or their decision making process.

  • mtdurham

    The best decision if you have an edge over someone is to try to take their entire bankroll…. you dont want them to hang around long enough to get better than you.

    Also they are eating some of your white meat everyday…

    You want to discourage as many people as possible from continuing to play DFS.

    One day soon there wont be many people you’re capable of beating… you should win the money now while you still can. Thats not a peronal statement, That’s just the circle of life. Very few people wil remain profitable for more than a year or two

    Youve already said he’s puttin good lineups in your contests…. you should really be doing anything you can to make him go away ASAP

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  • JustDFSin

    Are you a snowflake? Take his whole bankroll.

  • Trappist1

    This is a garbled post and confusing. If your write it more concisely, then people can give their advice or opinion. What is the format you excel in ? Is it h2h, 3 man, 5 man, heavy hitter contests etc… ? Be a bit specific otherwise we are all just guessing.

  • Morley

    Not getting into too many details… Seen what oversharing on 2+2 did to poker. Knew someone that even wrote a script to link usernames with specific strategies they would write about experimenting with. For example, knowing someone is going to try flipping a coin to determine a raise or fold for a week in heads up matchups can more valuable than an insider stock tip.

    I find it absurd anyone here would link their account for fake rankings that can only hurt them. These are also the same people who chime in week after week who they’ll be 100%, on etc so it’d be easy to fact check if they tell the truth and then exploit. Maybe I’m being paranoid but there’s literally no upside.

  • Morley

    In summary:

    I perform very well, exceedingly well in a specific format that I won’t get into.

    There’s one guy I totally own for well over a year now, he’s a strong performer, does better than most, but when I absorb probably 90%+ all his action it’s got to be a gut wrenching feeling for him.

    As stated earlier, I am by no means unique, there are a few dozen other guys I won’t dare play and it’s mutual. Even if they have the edge (many do), they don’t have enough of it after rake gets involved.

    For a couple months, one of these guys (an upstart who was still feeling out the hierarchy) kept trying to get action with me. It was incredibly annoying and it took dozens if not hundreds of slates before he realized his edge on me wasn’t enough and we were both net losers.

    It got me concerned maybe I’m tormenting this guy, someone who would probably be a winning player of I didn’t dominate his action, much the same that i (nor the upstart either) would not be profitable if 90% my action was dominated by one slightly better performer.

  • Trappist1

    @Morley said...

    Not getting into too many details… Seen what oversharing on 2+2 did to poker. Knew someone that even wrote a script to link usernames with specific strategies they would write about experimenting with. For example, knowing someone is going to try flipping a coin to determine a raise or fold for a week in heads up matchups can more valuable than an insider stock tip.

    I find it absurd anyone here would link their account for fake rankings that can only hurt them. These are also the same people who chime in week after week who they’ll be 100%, on etc so it’d be easy to fact check if they tell the truth and then exploit. Maybe I’m being paranoid but there’s literally no upside.

    Agreed, I do not link my account and do not care about rankings. I do not post screenshots on twitter, tout or brag etc… None of it interests me at all, just glad there is a thing called DFS which we can take advantage of it now and it might not be around for long.

  • Trappist1

    @Morley said...

    In summary:

    I perform very well, exceedingly well in a specific format that I won’t get into.

    There’s one guy I totally own for well over a year now, he’s a strong performer, does better than most, but when I absorb probably 90%+ all his action it’s got to be a gut wrenching feeling for him.

    As stated earlier, I am by no means unique, there are a few dozen other guys I won’t dare play and it’s mutual. Even if they have the edge (many do), they don’t have enough of it after rake gets involved.

    For a couple months, one of these guys (an upstart who was still feeling out the hierarchy) kept trying to get action with me. It was incredibly annoying and it took dozens if not hundreds of slates before he realized his edge on me wasn’t enough and we were both net losers.

    It got me concerned maybe I’m tormenting this guy, someone who would probably be a winning player of I didn’t dominate his action, much the same that i (nor the upstart either) would be profitable if 90% my action was dominated by one slightly better performer.

    It is hard to tell, maybe the person has a deep bankroll and they are not into DFS to make a profit. It is a strange world and you have all sorts of people. Maybe the person has a pride and wants to get back what they lost instead of moving on. There is a famous incident to what you describing between Condia and Saahil, Condia lost to Saahil up to six figures within a few months. Condia is smarter though, he quit DFS while still up and no longer into money/material ride. Listen to his interview this past summer with Adam Levithan in the Daily Edge podcast, you will find most of your questions answered there in his hour long interview.

  • Morley

    Good stuff, will listen to that, thanks. I know this sounds weird but it almost feels like I’m breaking an unspoken rule against sitting other regs but by doing so the volume I play at my specialty would decrease by at least 20%

  • osuryanf

    @MrNastyTime91 said...

    Response of the month so far

  • Dadeano860

    Is this an ethical dilemma you are personally facing? I don’t get it. Why would you care of you take all of someone’s money? Isn’t that the point of playing?

    The only reason you shouldn’t wipe him out is that you want him to build his bankroll vs inferior players so he has more to take. That should be your only dilemma. So the ONLY answer is take some of his action but not enough to wipe him out. Then you have a continual revenue stream. Easy answer.

    This is the most ridiculous, self-serving and self-aggrandizing post thread I’ve ever read. So much so, I couldn’t resist reading and responding.

  • jtgus

    I saw the thread title and was expecting something completely different than what I found! LMAO!

  • depalma13

    My suggestion is you take everything you can from him and than you play me heads up using a dummy lineup.

    That way you can still crush him every day, but you won’t feel guilty because you will be giving me all of his money.

  • hendry

    @Morley said...

    I find it absurd anyone here would link their account for fake rankings that can only hurt them. These are also the same people who chime in week after week who they’ll be 100%, on etc so it’d be easy to fact check if they tell the truth and then exploit. Maybe I’m being paranoid but there’s literally no upside.

    its not that absurd. long before you were a member here thats how you received premium content for free indefinitely.

  • tarheel66

    I am 94-2 against a guy in $2 head to heads, I search him daily. I think of him more than my wife, I usually play in $20-$50 hth but I also search for easy money. Take it all and move on

  • dolphinkick182

    Nah it’s good. Keep taking it as long as he is giving it. But just in case you really, really feel bad. Give me his username and what contests he is entering and I’ll reach out to him to make sure his kids are still being fed.

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