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  • easternmh

    https://www.fanduel.com/contest/11825466/scoring/lineup/163004386,162993213/

    2 separate teams at work lol … It’s each and every slate so far in MLB this. This seems to be the norm on FD but not on DK.

  • MrFantasy

    What are we supposed to be seeing?

  • easternmh

    10 guys playing the same Lineup and another 5-6 different guys playing same lineup … These guys have done it for every slate so far this MLB season.

  • tommygmets86

    Are people using solvers of projections in MLB?
    Waste of time imo.

  • dedlata

    @tommygmets86 said...

    Are people using solvers of projections in MLB?

    They are buying lineups, not using solvers. Not really that hard to figure out. Some of them bought NBA lineups all season also. The problem is this is taking up a larger and larger percentage of the field in MLB. I can’t think having ~20% of the field buying lineups from a top player is good for player retention and acquisition. I would wonder at what point does Fan Duel step in and do something about it, or maybe they DGAF.

  • MrFantasy

    @dedlata said...

    I would wonder at what point does Fan Duel step in and do something about it, or maybe they DGAF.

    What would you suggest they do? There is nothing against players having the same lineup.

  • dedlata

    @MrFantasy said...

    What would you suggest they do? There is nothing against players having the same lineup.

    Their terms of service give them pretty wide latitude to do whatever they want. Tell people to stop buying lineups or they are banned or suspended. Not like its that hard to identify a train of 10+ teams with the same lineup everyday that is also posted on a website selling lineups. You would have to be pretty naive to not think this would have negative financial impact on the sites long term. I’d like to think I’m competing against other people in a skill game, not a bunch of people just buying a lineup. I can’t see myself playing substantial cash games on FD if the fields look like this.

  • kings2609

    Sometime the plays are obvious and people get stuck with same lineup.. How can the tell between someone random having same lineup as the people who bought it. They can’t and wont do anything about it, no way to police it.

  • Thomas21

    @tommygmets86 said...

    Are people using solvers of projections in MLB?
    Waste of time imo.

    What a lot are doing is using free lineups from Twitter. There’s 1 guy that has over 1,000 followers that gives out free lineups for almost every sport on FD.

  • cedric19

    It’s a problem for the future of DFS. They can put in programming to keep the same lineups below a certain percentage. Played a MLB 100 player single entry 50/50 on fanduel tonight that had 20 of the same entry. A single out was moving me up or down 20 spots lol

    I realize short term it’s generating more play, but it won’t in the long run

  • Putz

    @MrFantasy said...

    What would you suggest they do? There is nothing against players having the same lineup.

    Make single entry 50/50 larger. $1 and $2 should be 200 for MLB.

  • Putz

    @kings2609 said...

    Sometime the plays are obvious and people get stuck with same lineup.. How can the tell between someone random having same lineup as the people who bought it. They can’t and wont do anything about it, no way to police it.

    Over time, even over a week sample, if the same people have the same lineup in every contest, it’s pretty easy to tell. Eastern did it through visual inspection without an algorithm to detect.

  • ebsteelers

    feel like this comes across when a new sport starts.. if all those line ups are in a gpp, and you beat them then you should be sitting pretty good. no?

    and the last time this came up I think it came up with a few of the best players in the industry using the same line ups and not just some random people.. i would think that’d be a bigger issue that some random guys buying it.

    i understand why people (casual players) buy line ups, they still want to enjoy the game and maybe win a few extra bucks but dont have the hours and hours to be successful on their own

    it could hurt getting new customers but it could also be where they lose current people because they arent able to get an optimal line ups. plus i dont think current customers will notice that before they deposit.

    not really sure what can be done by the sites, or if the % thing would really work

  • ebsteelers

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/there-is-a-big-stinky-elephant-in-the-room-dfs-sites-need-to-address-663620

    funny that there is 2 threads on the same topic posted only a few hours after.

    im wondering if a dk or fd rep can address if there is anything to be done

  • NCRick

    They should only allow one entry of each possible lineup. For small slates maybe allow 2 entries for each. Problem solved. This would also give you a reason to register “faster” so its a win-win.

  • dedlata

    @kings2609 said...

    Sometime the plays are obvious and people get stuck with same lineup.. How can the tell between someone random having same lineup as the people who bought it. They can’t and wont do anything about it, no way to police it.

    This is the same 20 people with the same lineup everyday, which is posted on a site selling lineups. This isn’t a couple people winding up with the same team one time. It is blatantly obvious. As I said above, the sites can do pretty much whatever they want, including stopping people from the widespread buying of lineups. Not sure how you think they can’t do anything about it. Rotogrinders was asked by sites to stop posting lineups in NBA before because they ended up being widely used I believe.

  • Putz

    @ebsteelers said...

    feel like this comes across when a new sport starts.. if all those line ups are in a gpp, and you beat them then you should be sitting pretty good. no?

    and the last time this came up I think it came up with a few of the best players in the industry using the same line ups and not just some random people.. i would think that’d be a bigger issue that some random guys buying it.

    i understand why people (casual players) buy line ups, they still want to enjoy the game and maybe win a few extra bucks but dont have the hours and hours to be successful on their own

    it could hurt getting new customers but it could also be where they lose current people because they arent able to get an optimal line ups. plus i dont think current customers will notice that before they deposit.

    not really sure what can be done by the sites, or if the % thing would really work

    Yes, for large GPPs, true, the impact is minimal, but for smaller 50/50, not so much.

    Queue the make better lineups crowd…

  • easternmh

    @Putz said...

    Yes, for large GPPs, true, the impact is minimal, but for smaller 50/50, not so much.

    Queue the make better lineups crowd…

    Yep…. I mean the lineups they play are good but nothing to be afraid so to speak. My only question is when is enough, enough? Right now you see atleast 6-8 in every 100 man du if not 10. Will FD do something if it gets to 20, 25?

  • Putz

    @easternmh said...

    Yep…. I mean the lineups they play are good but nothing to be afraid so to speak. My only question is when is enough, enough? Right now you see atleast 6-8 in every 100 man du if not 10. Will FD do something if it gets to 20, 25?

    Submit a ticket to them to raise the lower 50/50 limits. I did for CFB and it worked since demand warranted it. MLB demand is much greater than CFB, so if they receive enough requests, they likely will raise them.

  • huitcinq

    Who cares. If people are playing lineups being posted on twitter or elsewhere that’s their problem.

    Again, this is one of those things where you only notice when it happens near the top of the leaderboard and don’t give it a second thought when you’re profiting off of it.

  • einars

    @NCRick said...

    They should only allow one entry of each possible lineup. For small slates maybe allow 2 entries for each. Problem solved. This would also give you a reason to register “faster” so its a win-win.

    lol easily the worst “solution” ever. besides being almost impossible to monitor . it would make it extremely hard to make last min adjustments to your roster and would kill a big portion of the skill argument (that everyone has the same starting hand and there is nothing keeping you from winning a GPP except you didnt pick correctly). If this actually happened it would effectively kill dfs imo

  • einars

    @huitcinq said...

    Who cares. If people are playing lineups being posted on twitter or elsewhere that’s their problem.

    Again, this is one of those things where you only notice when it happens near the top of the leaderboard and don’t give it a second thought when you’re profiting off of it.

    exactly….its a terrible long term strategy…ill take a low finish that 1 in 50 times the lineup beats me to have all the dead lineups the other 49 times when it sucks

  • dedlata

    @huitcinq said...

    Who cares. If people are playing lineups being posted on twitter or elsewhere that’s their problem.

    These lineups are good, better than 90+% of players are making consistently. If you have the impression that these are some crappy lineups that you will dominate you are wrong. A very small percentage of players will beat it long term. They are starting to make up a very large percentage of the field in cash games, so that makes a difficult game like MLB even more difficult or unbeatable for most. If you finished in 51st through 65th in a 100 person 50/50 last night you could say these lineups very likely cost you money. For tournaments I don’t think many people have a real problem with it.

  • Putz

    @huitcinq said...

    Who cares. If people are playing lineups being posted on twitter or elsewhere that’s their problem.

    Again, this is one of those things where you only notice when it happens near the top of the leaderboard and don’t give it a second thought when you’re profiting off of it.

    Wrong. This was limiting the growth of CFB on Fanduel, particularly the 10 and 20 person 50/50’s at the $10-$50 levels. Many of the 10-person $25 CFB 50/50’s had 3 people, a few atop the grinders leaderboards, using the same lineups. While I am good at CFB and do build better lineups, entering a $25 10-person 50/50 with those 3 entered was a non-starter for me. While I have beaten many of those 1 on 1, I was not a fan of going for the last 1-2 spots.

    Bringing it up on these boards helped in several different ways:

    1. Those top Grinders understood the issue and limited this in the future for those 10-20 person 50/50s.
    2. As a community, we came up with a strategy to email Fanduel to raise their CFB 50/50 entry limits for the lower $$ buy-ins, which worked and we saw an increase in size for the $1-$10 50/50s, which helped minimize the impact.

    I recommend people emailing FD on point #2 to see if they can increase their 50/50 at $1 and $2 levels. Their lobby has 10-12 going at one time of each, and filling rather quickly. Bumping this up to 150 or 200 would be beneficial for the single entry 50/50.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    For those who are frustrated by the lineup sharing and free lineups (and I used to be one of them) I have a simple question.

    What is the difference between someone using a lineup they found online and someone running with a recommendation someone mentions on RG?

  • Putz

    @tgowen said...

    For those who are frustrated by the lineup sharing and free lineups (and I used to be one of them) I have a simple question.

    What is the difference between someone using a lineup they found online and someone running with a recommendation someone mentions on RG?

    I am not as concerned with those using a lineup from a website than one being shared by several top folks in 50/50s, especially the smaller 50/50.

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