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Is this guy actually a winning player? He seems like an ok guy and all, but…

and I really dont want to come across as a jerk, but when I listen on Sirius, he can barely speak… Hes constantly using and butchering cliches and stumbling on his words. And it doesnt appear to be from nervousness. The purpose of the show seems mainly to me to be a a promo for Fanduel. He also uses fuzzy math for things like, as an example yesterday, he claimed he cashed at a higher rate this week in 50/50s with a smaller number of participants which made the point score pay line lower, as opposed to 50/50s with a larger amount of entries because the pay line cut line is higher ones with more players. Sure, the cut line in a smaller field 50/50 has a greater chance than a larger entry 50/50 for being lower, but it also has a higher chance as well… its called standard deviation. And no he wasnt saying he cashed because the pay lines were lower… he was saying that smaller field 50/50s have lower point score pay lines as a fact. Reasons he gave in passing were youre not going up as many lineups.

Again, all that increases is the deviation from the mean. he does this sort of thing frequently.

Pretty classy to come in and make this kind of response. I think Jeff does a good job on air. Of course I like listening to anything related to DFS and pick up tips here and there from all the shows.

I almost don’t even want to make a post because Mans did but I will… As I was reading down the line until the Mans posts I was thinking these guys are a little unfair. Overall I like Mans and he does a great job providing fantasy information. Even if it has a season long slant it can still be useful.

As with any of the shows on SXM you have to take in all of the information and process it for yourself.

And fir what it’s worth I’d much rather have two hours of Fantasy Alarm than the one and one for FA and FD. Not a fan of him “working for” FD.

Mans is very good, especially compared to some of the real bumbling idiots on that channel. The early morning show is great and entertaining, the mid morning show is turrrrrible (condescending host with no sense of humor) but I enjoy the afternoon and night guys.

and fwiw these are two separate statements. having success and being good are two different things. some people are both, some are not.

I’m a huge Jeff Mans fan even though I decide to fade some players simply because he likes them i.e. Charles Johnson every other week.

I’ll listen to Mans a thousand times faster than some computer nerd who didn’t know jack shit about football until DFS came along.

Jeff Mans is one of the top hosts on The Fantasy Channel. I listen to it every day and think the talent level varies greatly.

Top Talent:

Jeff Mans: Does his research and gives a ton of info to his listeners, plays DFS every day, is deeply embedded in it and it shows.

Mike Dempsey: How does he not have a huge national gig? Extremely knowledgeable and very polished. Only drawback is that he could do much better than Bob Harris as his partner

Nando DiFino: His voice (jk), he’s very dialed in every week and just flat out talks about fantasy at a high level.

Worst Talent:

Chris Liss: Could he be any more arrogant? Also, clearly doesn’t play much DFS and when he does talk about it, it’s at an elementary level while trying to sound smart. Also drools over Stephania Bell every time she is a guest (no idea how he gets her on).

Tony Cincotta: Half the time he is talking in a dumb over the top southern drawl that’s not funny. Seems like the game has passed him by, just doesn’t come across as being very sharp on his info.

Have to include Matt Camp and Joe Dolan in the top talent. Their Sunday Gameday show is a must listen during the games. Great stuff.

Nah, believe me that you were incredibly fair in your post earlier. All fantasy analysts need to be held accountable for what we say and do. I’ve had an off week with some stumbles and as a radio junkie like I am I understand how that sounds to the listeners.

As far as the analysis, we all have our ways of interpreting data and applying it but there is no harm in challenging somebody’s method or asking why they uses player X or Y. As long as the arguments are rooted in reason, I can handle being wrong or interpreting something incorrectly now and then. If it becomes the norm though then I’ll actually lose a ton of money and likely my job too and thus I take it very seriously.

Challenging picks and calling me out for wrong plays is part of the business. As long as its factual and not some wild interpretation I am good with it all.

Thanks for all of the kind words and honesty here folks!! Always been a fan of the forums here and everything the RotoGrinders do.

As most already know, you can often roster the highest scoring player at every position and still have plenty left over in salary cap. That being said, is it really a reasonable thought that Hoyer as a backup would out score every QB that weekend? In NFL DFS, just like NBA, minutes with the ball in your player’s hand matter. Not a gatorade bottle in their hand.

As it may not be clear what is being referenced… I am referring to the game Hoyer started against the Colts. Not when he came in as a substitute for Mallett against the Falcons. This is what Mans was referring to also on the show of his that I referenced. From all signs I saw leading up to that game it was clear he was going into that game as the starter even though it had not been officially announced.

The only sport where I would knowingly take a bench player is MLB if I knew that bench player was a platoon player likely to see at bats from the 6th-9th innings.

I hate to break it to you but he didn’t start that game. Mallett came out of the game after a blow to the head (protocol, he was cleared I think); Hoyer had made a couple good throws and OB left him in the game.

Adam Ronis: very knowledgeable fantasy guy.
John Hansen: Loving me some guru
Fantasy Drive: needs to step on the accelerator and do a Thelma and Louise. It may be just me, but being talked down to and lectured like an 8 year old doesn’t make for good radio!
Scout: Love Tommy G and Dr. Roto is growing on me a bit

I actually like Bob Harris and think he is a very knowledgeable season long guy)

Props Jeff. Well handled and I actually was thinking yesterday how much more I like the afternoon hosts than the morning hosts.

Tony Cincotta is tough for me to listen to. I honestly have no idea about his content as I typically can’t get past the “Goooooood Moooooorning” and all the repeating of the same point 3-5 times before moving on. Hate to say I usually change the channel.

Yeah, they are all decent enough, outside of Chris Liss and Tony Cincotta. Not sure how those 2 keep their jobs. Cincotta’s Dad jokes are painful to try and sit through. Liss just wants to tell you how great he is and how he called everything correctly after the fact.

I would look at the game again bud. Jeff is right on this. Hoyer came in against the falcons and started the next week because of how good he was.

i dont think starting a backup qb in a 2 game slate is a good play, unless u think there is a good chance he will be the starter. hoping the starter gets benched is a long shot, and then u dont even get a full game.

to say someone is terrible at the job bc they didnt recommend playing a backup qb is an even bigger leap.

the other thing to consider is that if it was a good play, and jeff mans rec’d it, and his listeners played him, it would BECOME a bad play, because the only thing that could make it a good play in the first place is 0% ownership. his job is to make recs that his listeners can use, not to just make money playing dfs.

Hoyer did NOT start versus Colts. Mallet did. Hoyer came in 2nd quarter slpanthers24!!!!

Saying “bud” without looking at schedule c’mon slpanthers24. Colts were game after falcons as u say and Hoyer did not start

No Hoyer start vs. Colts JeffRambo

Not getting the Liss hate. Guy is hilarious. He also doesnt claim to be a DFS expert or anything, either. Very good in season long, though.

Yeah hoyer didn’t start against the colts that is a fact, playing a backup QB is not a winning strategy.

Agreed; I find Liss very entertaining

This is completely wrong. Mallet got injured with a roughing the passer with 6+ mins left in the 2nd quarter. Hoyer came in and led them to a fg. Then had the hail mary TD as time expired for half time. Threw another td and interception in the 2nd half, and although Mallet was cleared to come back in for the 2nd half, Hoyer remained the starter. And then started the following week.

It is a bad play to play the backup qb hoping he gets some playing time. The max he would get under normal circumstances is 2 quarters, as theyd replace him at halftime, limiting your ceiling. He came in due to injury, and got a luckbox TD at the end of the 2nd qtr. The marginal cost savings between him and a cheap starter are not worth the risk and limited ceiling.

How can you say something like this without looking yourself first lol