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  • DatDerFranny

    Is this guy actually a winning player? He seems like an ok guy and all, but…

    and I really dont want to come across as a jerk, but when I listen on Sirius, he can barely speak… Hes constantly using and butchering cliches and stumbling on his words. And it doesnt appear to be from nervousness. The purpose of the show seems mainly to me to be a a promo for Fanduel. He also uses fuzzy math for things like, as an example yesterday, he claimed he cashed at a higher rate this week in 50/50s with a smaller number of participants which made the point score pay line lower, as opposed to 50/50s with a larger amount of entries because the pay line cut line is higher ones with more players. Sure, the cut line in a smaller field 50/50 has a greater chance than a larger entry 50/50 for being lower, but it also has a higher chance as well… its called standard deviation. And no he wasnt saying he cashed because the pay lines were lower… he was saying that smaller field 50/50s have lower point score pay lines as a fact. Reasons he gave in passing were youre not going up as many lineups.

    Again, all that increases is the deviation from the mean. he does this sort of thing frequently.

  • 1greatbuyz

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    @FantasyAlarm said...

    In all you guys are very fair in your criticism here and I understand that this kind of stuff happens when you put yourself out there. For those who do or will listen to my shows now or in the future I’ll do my best to take this stuff to heart and hopefully do a better job.

    Pretty classy to come in and make this kind of response. I think Jeff does a good job on air. Of course I like listening to anything related to DFS and pick up tips here and there from all the shows.

  • fadein34

    I almost don’t even want to make a post because Mans did but I will… As I was reading down the line until the Mans posts I was thinking these guys are a little unfair. Overall I like Mans and he does a great job providing fantasy information. Even if it has a season long slant it can still be useful.

    As with any of the shows on SXM you have to take in all of the information and process it for yourself.

    And fir what it’s worth I’d much rather have two hours of Fantasy Alarm than the one and one for FA and FD. Not a fan of him “working for” FD.

  • batchcalc

    Mans is very good, especially compared to some of the real bumbling idiots on that channel. The early morning show is great and entertaining, the mid morning show is turrrrrible (condescending host with no sense of humor) but I enjoy the afternoon and night guys.

  • hendry

    @stevietpfl said...

    Jeff Mans won the Fanduel Playboy Championship for 100k, and has a few other big wins. He’s a good DFS player fwiw.

    and fwiw these are two separate statements. having success and being good are two different things. some people are both, some are not.

  • jonconnington

    @FantasyAlarm said...

    Hey guys, it’s Jeff “The Bumbling Fool” Mans here. I believe this is my first post on the RG forums as a matter of fact.

    The thing I respect most about this “bash Jeff Mans” thread is that so far, you guy have all been pretty spot on in your criticism. I can promise you that I am not nor have I ever been drunk on air or anything like that but this week especially I’ve been a mess speaking at certain times. If any of you have listened to me for awhile I am pretty sure you realize this is not a normal occurrence. One issue for my show(s) lately is that we are only one hour yet I try and jam 2-3 hours worth of info into a show. Thus, my mind is racing while trying to pack it all in. Or…maybe I am just a bumbling fool…who knows.

    I think the original post here misunderstood my point when breaking down the paylines. What I was illustrating was that certain contests seem to result in lower paylines week after week. The example here was single entry 50/50’s against multi entry. I can promise you guys that better contest selection has been a huge boost to my DFS play over the past two years. If I didn’t explain it correctly or used “fuzzy math” I am not sure. I listen back to all my shows and other than the stumbling I really thought that I explained this properly.

    A couple other points to clear up include that I still think Hoyer was a bad play because it is simply illogical to start a QB who isn’t starting the game. Forte was NOT my #1 RB that week against Seattle but he was in my Playbook and it didn’t play out very well that week. Still, who would expect Forte to catch ZERO balls with Jimmy Clausen under center? Still awful though..

    Eddie Lacy was also a bad call although one I would likely to make again. You guys seem to be experienced Grinders and thus I know that you have to have your process by which you grade players and matchups. I have mine as well and as successful as I have been with it, I am FAR from perfect. I think the interesting points with Lacy was how much volume I played with him and that I somehow didn’t lose everything (just 55%!).

    I would discuss what I do on my website here but don’t think that is appropriate to advertise even indirectly on the RotoGrinders website.

    In all you guys are very fair in your criticism here and I understand that this kind of stuff happens when you put yourself out there. For those who do or will listen to my shows now or in the future I’ll do my best to take this stuff to heart and hopefully do a better job.

    I’m a huge Jeff Mans fan even though I decide to fade some players simply because he likes them i.e. Charles Johnson every other week.

  • kb32dawgs

    I’ll listen to Mans a thousand times faster than some computer nerd who didn’t know jack shit about football until DFS came along.

  • musky93

    Jeff Mans is one of the top hosts on The Fantasy Channel. I listen to it every day and think the talent level varies greatly.

    Top Talent:

    Jeff Mans: Does his research and gives a ton of info to his listeners, plays DFS every day, is deeply embedded in it and it shows.

    Mike Dempsey: How does he not have a huge national gig? Extremely knowledgeable and very polished. Only drawback is that he could do much better than Bob Harris as his partner

    Nando DiFino: His voice (jk), he’s very dialed in every week and just flat out talks about fantasy at a high level.

    Worst Talent:

    Chris Liss: Could he be any more arrogant? Also, clearly doesn’t play much DFS and when he does talk about it, it’s at an elementary level while trying to sound smart. Also drools over Stephania Bell every time she is a guest (no idea how he gets her on).

    Tony Cincotta: Half the time he is talking in a dumb over the top southern drawl that’s not funny. Seems like the game has passed him by, just doesn’t come across as being very sharp on his info.

  • Robby12

    Have to include Matt Camp and Joe Dolan in the top talent. Their Sunday Gameday show is a must listen during the games. Great stuff.

  • FantasyAlarm

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    @DatDerFranny said...

    Jeff I gotta give you credit for how you handled the criticism. You took the higher road which I should have did in the first place.

    Nah, believe me that you were incredibly fair in your post earlier. All fantasy analysts need to be held accountable for what we say and do. I’ve had an off week with some stumbles and as a radio junkie like I am I understand how that sounds to the listeners.

    As far as the analysis, we all have our ways of interpreting data and applying it but there is no harm in challenging somebody’s method or asking why they uses player X or Y. As long as the arguments are rooted in reason, I can handle being wrong or interpreting something incorrectly now and then. If it becomes the norm though then I’ll actually lose a ton of money and likely my job too and thus I take it very seriously.

    Challenging picks and calling me out for wrong plays is part of the business. As long as its factual and not some wild interpretation I am good with it all.

    Thanks for all of the kind words and honesty here folks!! Always been a fan of the forums here and everything the RotoGrinders do.

  • sports_nerd

    @JEFFRAMBO said...

    I still have to hold true to my stance that you were wrong for calling anyone an idiot who played Hoyer that week.

    As most already know, you can often roster the highest scoring player at every position and still have plenty left over in salary cap. That being said, is it really a reasonable thought that Hoyer as a backup would out score every QB that weekend? In NFL DFS, just like NBA, minutes with the ball in your player’s hand matter. Not a gatorade bottle in their hand.

  • JEFFRAMBO

    As it may not be clear what is being referenced… I am referring to the game Hoyer started against the Colts. Not when he came in as a substitute for Mallett against the Falcons. This is what Mans was referring to also on the show of his that I referenced. From all signs I saw leading up to that game it was clear he was going into that game as the starter even though it had not been officially announced.

    The only sport where I would knowingly take a bench player is MLB if I knew that bench player was a platoon player likely to see at bats from the 6th-9th innings.

  • anilprao88

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    @JEFFRAMBO said...

    I am referring to the game Hoyer started against the Colts. Not when he came in as a substitute for Mallett against the Falcons. This is what Mans was referring to also on the show of his that I referenced. From all signs I saw leading up to that game it was clear he was going into that game as the starter even though it had not been officially announced.

    I hate to break it to you but he didn’t start that game. Mallett came out of the game after a blow to the head (protocol, he was cleared I think); Hoyer had made a couple good throws and OB left him in the game.

  • dangerb407

    @musky93 said...

    Jeff Mans is one of the top hosts on The Fantasy Channel. I listen to it every day and think the talent level varies greatly.

    Top Talent:

    Jeff Mans: Does his research and gives a ton of info to his listeners, plays DFS every day, is deeply embedded in it and it shows.

    Mike Dempsey: How does he not have a huge national gig? Extremely knowledgeable and very polished. Only drawback is that he could do much better than Bob Harris as his partner

    Nando DiFino: His voice (jk), he’s very dialed in every week and just flat out talks about fantasy at a high level.

    Worst Talent:

    Chris Liss: Could he be any more arrogant? Also, clearly doesn’t play much DFS and when he does talk about it, it’s at an elementary level while trying to sound smart. Also drools over Stephania Bell every time she is a guest (no idea how he gets her on).

    Tony Cincotta: Half the time he is talking in a dumb over the top southern drawl that’s not funny. Seems like the game has passed him by, just doesn’t come across as being very sharp on his info.

    Adam Ronis: very knowledgeable fantasy guy.
    John Hansen: Loving me some guru
    Fantasy Drive: needs to step on the accelerator and do a Thelma and Louise. It may be just me, but being talked down to and lectured like an 8 year old doesn’t make for good radio!
    Scout: Love Tommy G and Dr. Roto is growing on me a bit

    I actually like Bob Harris and think he is a very knowledgeable season long guy)

  • zef204

    Props Jeff. Well handled and I actually was thinking yesterday how much more I like the afternoon hosts than the morning hosts.

    Tony Cincotta is tough for me to listen to. I honestly have no idea about his content as I typically can’t get past the “Goooooood Moooooorning” and all the repeating of the same point 3-5 times before moving on. Hate to say I usually change the channel.

  • batchcalc

    Yeah, they are all decent enough, outside of Chris Liss and Tony Cincotta. Not sure how those 2 keep their jobs. Cincotta’s Dad jokes are painful to try and sit through. Liss just wants to tell you how great he is and how he called everything correctly after the fact.

  • deactivated70770

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    @anilprao88 said...

    I hate to break it to you but he didn’t start that game. Mallett came out of the game after a blow to the head (protocol, he was cleared I think); Hoyer had made a couple good throws and OB left him in the game.

    I would look at the game again bud. Jeff is right on this. Hoyer came in against the falcons and started the next week because of how good he was.

  • srolleDFS

    i dont think starting a backup qb in a 2 game slate is a good play, unless u think there is a good chance he will be the starter. hoping the starter gets benched is a long shot, and then u dont even get a full game.

    to say someone is terrible at the job bc they didnt recommend playing a backup qb is an even bigger leap.

    the other thing to consider is that if it was a good play, and jeff mans rec’d it, and his listeners played him, it would BECOME a bad play, because the only thing that could make it a good play in the first place is 0% ownership. his job is to make recs that his listeners can use, not to just make money playing dfs.

  • miggytoddbest

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    Hoyer did NOT start versus Colts. Mallet did. Hoyer came in 2nd quarter slpanthers24!!!!

  • miggytoddbest

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    Saying “bud” without looking at schedule c’mon slpanthers24. Colts were game after falcons as u say and Hoyer did not start

  • miggytoddbest

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    @JEFFRAMBO said...

    As it may not be clear what is being referenced… I am referring to the game Hoyer started against the Colts. Not when he came in as a substitute for Mallett against the Falcons. This is what Mans was referring to also on the show of his that I referenced. From all signs I saw leading up to that game it was clear he was going into that game as the starter even though it had not been officially announced.

    The only sport where I would knowingly take a bench player is MLB if I knew that bench player was a platoon player likely to see at bats from the 6th-9th innings.

    No Hoyer start vs. Colts JeffRambo

  • DatDerFranny

    Not getting the Liss hate. Guy is hilarious. He also doesnt claim to be a DFS expert or anything, either. Very good in season long, though.

  • mrchuffy

    Yeah hoyer didn’t start against the colts that is a fact, playing a backup QB is not a winning strategy.

  • dangerb407

    @DatDerFranny said...

    Not getting the Liss hate. Guy is hilarious. He also doesnt claim to be a DFS expert or anything, either. Very good in season long, though.

    Agreed; I find Liss very entertaining

  • ckamins87

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    @JEFFRAMBO said...

    As it may not be clear what is being referenced… I am referring to the game Hoyer started against the Colts. Not when he came in as a substitute for Mallett against the Falcons. This is what Mans was referring to also on the show of his that I referenced. From all signs I saw leading up to that game it was clear he was going into that game as the starter even though it had not been officially announced.

    The only sport where I would knowingly take a bench player is MLB if I knew that bench player was a platoon player likely to see at bats from the 6th-9th innings.

    This is completely wrong. Mallet got injured with a roughing the passer with 6+ mins left in the 2nd quarter. Hoyer came in and led them to a fg. Then had the hail mary TD as time expired for half time. Threw another td and interception in the 2nd half, and although Mallet was cleared to come back in for the 2nd half, Hoyer remained the starter. And then started the following week.

    It is a bad play to play the backup qb hoping he gets some playing time. The max he would get under normal circumstances is 2 quarters, as theyd replace him at halftime, limiting your ceiling. He came in due to injury, and got a luckbox TD at the end of the 2nd qtr. The marginal cost savings between him and a cheap starter are not worth the risk and limited ceiling.

  • ckamins87

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    @slpanthers24 said...

    I would look at the game again bud. Jeff is right on this. Hoyer came in against the falcons and started the next week because of how good he was.

    How can you say something like this without looking yourself first lol

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