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  • squirrelpatrol

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    • 2019 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

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      2020 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    Hey guys, I’m kind of new here and creating my first thread, so please be kind. 😊 I know this kind of thread gets posted in some variation a lot, but I wanted to get people’s opinions on something I saw on FanDuel last night, while the night’s slate is still fresh on our minds. Obviously there were a lot of injury situations to consider (Westbrook, Harden, Capela, Paul, Aldridge, Nunn, Rose, etc) that created a lot of value plays, so overlapping lineups aren’t a huge surprise. But in the Double-Ups on FanDuel, the Doncic-Fox-Schroder-Butler-Gallinari-Gordon-Adebayo-Hartenstein-Poeltl lineup that scored 372 points made up nearly 50% of lineups. For example, in the BIG $5 Double-Up (3,908 entries), that lineup was the difference between 985th place and 2,497th place – meaning that out of 3,908 entries, that lineup was duplicated 1,512 times. Just about 40% of the entries in that contest were that specific lineup. Similar numbers in the BIG $11 Double-Up – it made up 36% of the entries – and other similar contests (Double-Ups, Triple-Ups, Single Entry GPPs, etc) all across FanDuel.

    Now I understand the idea that soft pricing, along with late-breaking injury news, create a situation where some guys will be very highly owned (Hartenstein, Gordon, Poeltl), and to be honest, I played this exact same lineup in some GPPs, so clearly it was on my radar as a good GPP lineup, but the Jimmy Butler ownership in cash is something that just kills me. At about 6:30pm (prior to a 7pm lock) he was still in the locker room, trying to get clearance to play through the same ankle injury he tried to play through the game before – and he ended up missing chunks of that game while going back for treatment multiple times. How could nearly 40% of the entries think that was a safe cash play? With DeRozan (without Aldridge), Zach Lavine, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (without Chris Paul), Tyler Herro (without Nunn), Donovan Mitchell (at home against Houston), Ben McLemore (starting without Westbrook and Harden, priced at $3,600), etc, all on the same slate? What specifically bothers me about this is that Jimmy Butler was less than 50% owned in these contests, so that specific lineup made up the overwhelming majority of his ownership – virtually no one (except the people playing this specific line-up) thought he was a safe cash game play.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this beyond just saying there is rampant lineup-sharing going on? I don’t even think that lineup-sharing is the cause of all of this – this lineup was played by hundreds of people in these contests, I don’t think all of those people know each other – but I do think this specific lineup clearly came from somewhere, and people played it without any kind of consideration of Butler’s injury risk for cash games. Thoughts?

  • drewcrawford03

    • 2019 FanDuel FantaSea Finalist

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    • 2018 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    The known lineup syndicators/colluders all had that lineup the other night, which is nothing new. They have the same lineup every night, but they probably accounted for a solid % of the aforementioned group.

  • shockermandan

    • Moderator

    That is pretty wild, and probably related to a lineup seller, but it was a wild night. In the single entry DU I played I shared my lineup with 77 others, and I research nowhere except RG and do so myself. That’s only 3.4% of the entries. The five most popular lineups made up about 25% of the 2,298 entries.

    I entered a $2 GPP on Fanduel with about 3 minutes of research and fell out on Doncic-Fox-Schroder-DeRozan-Gordon-Gallinari-Hartenstein-Love-Adams.

    I had Poetl on DK. Had I played him on FD I’da upgraded Love no doubt. I imagine it’s a lineup seller, but definitely can attribute some overlap to a crazy news night.

  • mciama2000

    If you guys are bored or want a good laugh, login to the NBA Discord chat between 630-10. You get 2-3 people every night who come in and ask how to run the optimal, then are too stupid to figure it out, so the directions are repeated about 5 times. Then if the optimal is losing they’ll come back and complain how their computer generated lineup, which they put zero thought into lost them all this money and its RGs fault. I’d say for the most part most lineups in cash games are people just clicking a button, kinda defeats the fun of making lineups, but just the laziness of people.

  • yisman

    @mciama2000 said...

    If you guys are bored or want a good laugh, login to the NBA Discord chat between 630-10. You get 2-3 people every night who come in and ask how to run the optimal, then are too stupid to figure it out, so the directions are repeated about 5 times. Then if the optimal is losing they’ll come back and complain how their computer generated lineup, which they put zero thought into lost them all this money and its RGs fault. I’d say for the most part most lineups in cash games are people just clicking a button, kinda defeats the fun of making lineups, but just the laziness of people.

    I’ve checked out the NBA discord a few times this month and 95% of the talk is about the opto.

    The other 5% is when someone is ruled out or in, seemingly.

  • BerkeleyBoss

    2020, the year of the optimizer

  • MickyD10970

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    For once the usual gang has not chirped in with their tired “build a better lineup” argument. Oh but that is because an actual highly ranked player is now making the post. This problem is not going away anytime soon and has ruined cash games.

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  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @sirrobert6 said...

    I don’t play NBA, but from what I read it’s a miracle anyone still enters cash. Definition of -EV.

    Exactly.

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