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  • lfn1992

    When: December 7th-December 10th

    Where: Johnannesbug, South Africa (UTC+02:00)

    Course: Randpark Golf Club | A Par 72 Playing at 7,595 Yards

    Last Year’s Winner: Darren Fichardt (-15, shortened to 54 holes)

    Last Year’s Cut: -5

    Admin Note: The mod team is working to keep these daily threads more on topic – Golf strategy talk for this week’s contest. Post referring to last week’s contest will be moved to the correct thread. Any off topic posts or posts containing full lineups will be deleted..

  • ARightTouch

    @timusbr said...

    For my contest i put this together but I added anyone who’s name i recognized from the form.

    That is interesting, Jim is killing it all 20 LUs in the money? But I find his ‘duplicate’ strategy to be risky – when I do this I fail like last week in the hero where I didn’t get any return from 20 entries. However when it works it’s a real money maker

  • ARightTouch

    Regarding Langasque two of the reasons I picked him this week was 1 because of his finish last week (also I think I’m right in saying he lead GIR last week) and 2 because hes actually lost his card therefore should be extra motivated. None of that means he garaunteed to play well though, but luckily he is

  • tristanwolf

    @timusbr said...

    For my contest i put this together but I added anyone who’s name i recognized from the form.

    If you Max entered the quarter, the $1, or the FORE, you might be listed.

    this isnt the greatest, the contest wasnt done for the day. tistanwolf, tim-usbr, and tbishop9 are the only ones involved.

    But I like to look at max LU’s and see if they have rhyme or reason to construction. I look maybe 4-5 times a year, when I am bored. Its silly grunt work and time that is kinda wasted. Services helped look at that information and someone like puddincheeks can write a script in minutes but I do sort search copy and paste.

    probably wont follow up but you might find it interesting

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H3DZ0jHKPRUB8uHjDdt7OkRVWpxygnJW0cM3hzt7GB8/edit?usp=sharing

    pretty cool. jim has some good trains. i have way to much blaauw uggh i had him circled i think 3 times with top 25s here last 4 years but maybe didn’t check recent form. hope 6/6 is low i have none now i think best-
    coetzee -4, krusuwik -2, porteous -3, ockie stry -7, van rooyen -7 (aded him late should have done more when i saw all the touts on him. same with bekker), jp strydom E 184.5 hoping cut -2 or 3?

  • lfn1992

    Will all my LUs die while I’m asleep, or will they all die while I am still awake this evening?

  • timusbr

    @Kingspark35 said...

    What was that ?

    That was a twelve.

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you. lol

    Hey Cup didnt start off Wed night with a bottle of tequila. He started with a -6

    I was joking about this (I have 0) but dang…He looking to be a good pick NOW

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    @timusbr said...

    For my contest i put this together but I added anyone who’s name i recognized from the form.

    If you Max entered the quarter, the $1, or the FORE, you might be listed.

    this isnt the greatest, the contest wasnt done for the day. tistanwolf, tim-usbr, and tbishop9 are the only ones involved.

    But I like to look at max LU’s and see if they have rhyme or reason to construction. I look maybe 4-5 times a year, when I am bored. Its silly grunt work and time that is kinda wasted. Services helped look at that information and someone like puddincheeks can write a script in minutes but I do sort search copy and paste.

    probably wont follow up but you might find it interesting

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H3DZ0jHKPRUB8uHjDdt7OkRVWpxygnJW0cM3hzt7GB8/edit?usp=sharing

    Nice, nowhere to go but up…until Frichardt misses cut at least…

  • LegiaWwa

    This tourney is the first time I’ve had a guy tied for 226th place, that’s for sure.

  • jeffgo33

    So what are the weather issues in play tonight?

  • lfn1992

    The Saints got robbed in like a dozen ways tonight unbelievable

  • lfn1992

    I don’t think the EURO leaderboard is updating. Do I want it to is the question.

  • lfn1992

    Oh. Joel Stalter WD

  • tristanwolf

    why no news, rain delay?

  • tristanwolf

    @tristanwolf said...

    why no news, rain delay?

    never mind, i see it now, they have a piss poor website -looks like a freshman college class project, and apparently no updates for anyone until they have played 3 holes.
    we put a man on the moon 50 years ago, no?

  • JimKronlund

    That fckn Rooyen and his 3bir+ streak just dropped me by $1200. Who is this masked man?

  • ARightTouch

    @JimKronlund said...

    That fckn Rooyen and his 3bir+ streak just dropped me by $1200. Who is this masked man?

    I don’t know but along with Horsfield he’s making me very happy

  • WidumBoise

    Where can I stream view via the internet the aformentioned golfing event?

    Should I cancel my monthly subscription to the PGA live service in the upcoming offseason as it holds ABSOLUTELY ZERO INTRINSIC VALUE moving forwarding into the winter months?

  • JimKronlund

    Below are part of an exchange I had with DraftKings today about their Golf product. I was able to talk to the people that can make decisions, and I am very pleased with the outcome. I have to leave names out for professional courtesy. It is too long of a discussion to put here, so I will copy & paste only the more pertinent parts. That means it will not read as a fluid communication exchange on here.

    Jim said:
    These delays happen every week in Euro golf and I do not feel that is acceptable when it is simple data exchange. We can see the correct and timely update on the PGA/Euro leaderboard. So I have no idea why there are always multiple delays throughout every PGA/Euro golf contests. You can keep pace with NBA and Nascar. Two sports that require the most prolific and frequent scoring updates. They require 100 times more data exchange in a much shorter time span then 18 holes of golf. So it makes no sense to have every single contest in golf having periods of being 2-6 or more holes behind. It takes about 20 minutes per hole. That means we are behind most times over a hour and much more sometimes. That is not acceptable. Of all your sports, Golf has the smallest demand of quantity and frequency of simple data transfer. What is the issue every single week and multiple times each contest? What ever it is. I highly suggest DK puts more resources on it to ensure your golf customers enjoy they same level of accuracy and timely service as all the other sports gets. We pay the same rake so we should enjoy the same level of service.
    When you do not make us immediately aware that delay/issues has occurred; – At first we are irritated by guessing if a delay has occurred. – Then we get frustrated by not knowing if there is an actual delay issue. – Then we get really frustrated by not knowing the source of the delay. – Then we get even more frustrated by not knowing if the source is even aware that they are the reason for the delay.
    We want to know if the source of the delay is from the PGA/Euro site or DK’s site. 90% of the time it turns out the delay is from DK’s site.

    I have a suggestion that will greatly reduce the level of frustration this creates for your customers and it will also greatly decrease the total number of customers that would inundate you on mass by Chat, E-mail, or Twitter. All with the exact same question.

    I suggest that the very instant that a delay in updating scoring in Golf (or any sport for that matter) has occurred: – You immediately tweet out that you are aware there is a delay, and that you are working on correcting it. – Then name the source of it. Whether it is the PGA/Euro site or DK’s site. – Then tweet again when it has been rectified.

    If you do not have a system in place to notify you that a delay has occurred. Then build one. It cannot be hard to make a timer that notifies you to look for problems when ever it takes longer than 25 minutes to update. Maybe you will see it is a rain delay or what ever the issue is. But at that point tweet us and inform us what has occurred.
    The amount of time and resources it would take to build this and implement procedures will exponentially benefit your company because you will NOT be getting inundated by so many unhappy customers with the exact same question and are needlessly frustrated by what looks to them as an inept company that does not care about the quality of it service or its Golf product.

    We do not get frustrated because of the delay itself. We understand that technical issues happen, (maybe not when there are so many delays that is polarized on just one sport. That is a separate issue that I highly suggest you address).
    By being proactive and making us aware of an issue before we become aware of it and get frustrated. That would be such a huge step towards having a much better Golf product.
    It all comes down to this: Tweet us before we become aware of it and contact you.

    Thanking you in advance for considering this.
    JimKronlund

    DraftKings said:
    Hi Jim,
    My name is XXXXX and I’m the manager of the Customer Experience department and this was escalated up to me. Your feedback has been noted in the regards to the degraded performance in regards to scoring for PGA/Euro. Of course, we want our scoring to be 100% in real time and prevent any and all delays in scoring regardless of the root cause. We understand that live scoring is the core of our product and any delay is unacceptable.
    Twitter is a phenomenal resource to get a message out in masses. I ask that you follow our CX specific account DK_Assist where we will proactively post updates when we are having site-wide (and sport-specific wide) issues.
    Based on your feedback, we will work to communicate these types of outages better. We can be doing more of this and we will make sure that this is an objective of ours; to be more proactive in our communication approach.
    Thanks for your time.
    XXXXX

    Jim Said:
    Thank you XXXXX for a very quick reply and addressing these issues.
    I follow the twitter accounts. Unfortunately in almost every case I am the one that reached out first. Now DK could have already been working on it, but every reply is a thank you and I will pass it along. That is not the best example of an efficient communication channel. All I get from that is a bunch of “maybe’s”. Maybe they know? Maybe it is not a DK issue? Maybe it will take an hour? There are times that you tweet out there is an issue, and I certainly applaud you on this. But it has always been long after players have been aware and frustrated, and a good number of them have already overloaded your support staff.
    Now to be fair, and I have e-mailed you recently about how amazing your entire support team and protocols have grown in only one year.
    I understand some of the obstacles you have removed and streamlined. I am very impressed overall.
    There still are issues that I explained above that would be another giant leap in in satisfying your customers. Especially your Golf customers.

    DraftKings Said:
    Hi Jim,
    Thank you very much for your follow up message.
    Your input has been forwarded to me and my team.
    We appreciate your feedback, both positive and negative, regarding this issue. We absolutely understand that it is frustrating when the stats are not updating in real-time, as this is an integral part of the sweat experience. We are always striving to improve on our entire product, especially PGA, as it is one of the more exciting experiences we offer.
    Thank you again for your kind words, but also with your honest and open feedback.
    We hope to address these issues moving forward and continue to provide an impressive product.
    Please do not hesitate to reach out to us with any other feedback or issues.
    My kindest regards,
    YYYYY
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    So I am very optimistic that the amount of delays we have endured will be rectified, or at least be less frequent and not as long.
    I am also optimistic that they will create new protocols that will establish a much faster communication channel to alert us of any issues.

  • JimKronlund

    @ARightTouch said...

    I don’t know but along with Horsfield he’s making me very happy

    Yes you are cruzin right now. I hope you entered that team in other contests.

  • JimKronlund

    @WidumBoise said...

    Where can I stream view via the internet the aformentioned golfing event?

    Should I cancel my monthly subscription to the PGA live service in the upcoming offseason as it holds ABSOLUTELY ZERO INTRINSIC VALUE moving forwarding into the winter months?

    As usual, If I understood a single thing you said. Your PGA Live subscription goes for 365 days. So it is up to you if you want to wait a month to save $4.99. I think there will be a tournament you will miss out on if wait a month.

  • JimKronlund

    In first atm is Tapio Pulkkanen 1.2% 1 (-11)

  • ARightTouch

    @JimKronlund said...

    Yes you are cruzin right now. I hope you entered that team in other contests.

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

    Good job with the chat with DKs

  • jeffgo33

    I hope the afternoon wave brings the cutline back to -2, because I’m not feeling De Jager making it to -3.

  • Rosterbate

    I have not been active on the forum in quite sometime, but I really enjoy playing in the Happy Meal when I have the opportunity. I have a question for those of you who are max-entry or 20+ lineup guys. How do you make the decision of what lineup to choose to enter in a single entry contest like the happy meal or any other larger field single entry?

    Do you use a model and just choose the highest projected lineup? Or do you create a unique lineup that may have players outside your player pool that you are using in the mass entry GPP’s?

    I guess anyone can chime in on this, I am just curious about peoples thoughts on constructing lineups specifically for single entry tournaments. I have been making more of a cash-game lineup and not concerning myself with ownership percentages, but i’m not sure if that is the correct strategy for creating a single entry lineup.

  • JimKronlund

    @Rosterbate said...

    I guess anyone can chime in on this

    In my opinion in cash games. A strategy that I think has changed over the last year, is now you need to have at least 1 low owned player in order to take down larger size cash game or a higher end cash game. Thus taking a bigger risk. Before you could get away picking just solid middle to upper level players to form your teams and have a decent chance. I do not see that as the case anymore. It is sliding more to a GPP style game plan.

  • Rosterbate

    @JimKronlund said...

    In my opinion in cash games. A strategy that I think has changed over the last year, is now you need to have at least 1 low owned player in order to take down larger size cash game or a higher end cash game. Thus taking a bigger risk. Before you could get away picking just solid middle to upper level players to form your teams and have a decent chance. I do not see that as the case anymore. It is sliding more to a GPP style game plan.

    Thanks for the reply. So would you construct your single entry lineup in the same manner as you explained your cash game strategy above, with at least one potentially low owned player? Would you take more of a risk trying to get a couple lower owned players to really differentiate? Or would you just say cash and GPP strategy is pretty much the same at this point.

    I would guess there would be more factors involved such as the size of the tourney, as well as the pricing and value within the player pool. I’m just trying to understand the basics of how building a single-entry lineup may differ, if it even does, from mass-entry GPP or cash lineups.

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