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  • Mphst18

    https://www.youtube.com/user/joeingram1

    The Saahil conversation around the 56 min mark talks about the Channing Frye incident and IMO it appears he is saying he was able to swap frye in all his lineups and whether or not others could he doesn’t really address, all he knows is he could global player swap. Also the overcompensating of the situation, and hands to the mouth are body signs of not being truthful.

    The Daut interview starts off well and he actually makes a good point on the sites situations around rake and keeping Saahils volume along with acknowledging the community guidelines being lip service and unenforceable.

    He leaves a lot out of his explanation of the kings cup and Millionaire maker incidents. Also makes a weird point that since it was a drawn out event that the 5K buyin wasn’t worth “their” time (yet playing $1 H2H is?????)

    The conversation starts to drag on about non dfs stuff but towards the end he starts talking about sitting people and constantly uses the term “we” instead of I.

  • idontluvdemhos

    in the collusion thread Daut says “Disagree completely. did not share action, did not share any GPP lineups with each other (just shared projections/research)” then on the podcast he says “well shit, if he’s gonna play the millionaire maker, I don’t wanna miss out on a score… so I’m gonna play the millionaire maker”…. Is there anything else he can mean by that other than they are trading action on a score?

  • Mphst18

    @idontluvdemhos said...

    in the collusion thread Daut says “Disagree completely. did not share action, did not share any GPP lineups with each other (just shared projections/research)” then on the podcast he says “well shit, if he’s gonna play the millionaire maker, I don’t wanna miss out on a score… so I’m gonna play the millionaire maker”…. Is there anything else he can mean by that other than they are trading action on a score?

    Yes well picked up on and towards the end when talking about lobby control and battling constantly says WE.

  • Zieg30

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    @Mphst18 said...

    Its a good statement but big picture what is most likely to occur (while even though this behavior isn’t illegal) is

    new players stop playing because they are sick of getting prayed upon by “pros” at the lowest of stakes (they have no games they can play without feeling disgusted)

    now that these select few pros who do this have chased off all new players all that is left is pros playing pros who then call the game unplayable (rake is unbeatable)

    And thus DFS ends all over a few 20-60 “pros” who couldn’t resist soft games at the lowest of low stakes.

    I believe you overestimate the effect of pros feasting on new players. Many of these new players won’t even know they’re being preyed on by “pros”, many that do lose will just keep coming back, and many will still win on occasion (as even “pros” lose H2Hs) – nothing is automatic in DFS.

    More practically, though, if you are correct, the only way for there to be a change that isn’t site-driven is for “pros” to band together and self-regulate. A handful of “pros” can’t do a thing as long as other “pros” keep feasting on new players. At that point, it’s every man for himself trying to get as much money as possible before the new players dwindle (under your assumed future).

  • Mphst18

    Very true and valid points. Optimistically though the less that do it and there are ones who don’t who should be commended the more chances there are that at least a few new or beginner players aren’t turned off from playing and can cultivate and grow their play.

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