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  • whodat2

    When: July 13-16

    Where: Silvis, IL

    Course: TPC Deer Run | A par 71 playing at 7268 yards

    Last Year’s Winner: Ryan Moore at -22

    Last Year’s Cut: -3

    Coverage: The Norm

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  • deactivated204643

    @0111Bastiej said...

    After watching his emotional interview following his win, I think he will be just fine. He did also say that the win will motivate him even more to continue to improve and go win another. Like the attitude and humbleness. I’d love to see KSDT win another this weekend.

    Thank you. I’m going to climb aboard. I’m always looking for a reason not to play him but he’s my anti-Bubba, I just like the guy and his humble demeanor.

  • mwgdfs

    Field is WOAT

  • MUwarriors91

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    @mwgdfs said...

    Field is WOAT

    LOL. Very true. As of right now I am going lite on the entry $$$ exposure this week with such an unpredictable event. May change once I read some more or catch a few trends later in the week.

  • deactivated204643

    @mwgdfs said...

    Field is WOAT

    Maybe it is but I’ll say what I said before. I think it’s a great time to get familiar with players we rarely use. I mean anything new we learn will benefit us down the road, right? In stronger fields I often get lazy, picking from the more obvious choices and throwing in a few lesser talents I don’t know much about. This is a great week to broaden our horizons and try to research guys like Willy Wilcox (sponsored in some way by DK) or Maverick McNealy. Maybe they’ll be useful down the road. So anyone have a good Willy Wilcox story? The only thing I know is he changed his name from Will Wilcox to Willy Wilcox because it “flows way better” and that “2017 is the year of Willy Wilcox”!

  • philthefox

    @timusbr said...

    sorry i started laughing at this, didn t you win like 75 tickets last week and if I remember right you killed on US Open qualifiers too. YOU BROKE THE BANK, max 2 entry is whats got me riled, max 20 entry on the quarter and $1 also. I cant play my preferred style of play now. I am priced out of the market. Maybe need to take lessons from CY.

    I didn’t win any US Open quals but remember another guy promoting the idea of using them to build a nice # of entries. He threw out a number like 110 or something. Yes… yesterday I won 100 in the $5 contest. It’s more like true gambling than strategic play to enter one roster 100 times over but in this case it worked.

    Still feeling out what the heck I’m doing. I was trending toward being 1 lineup max entry gpp outlier guy until some of you turned me on to single entry and varying lineups. Did that for a while but then started realizing I was throwing away 1/2 of my entries trying to chase the big one. So last couple weeks back to single lineup.

    Does anyone else find it tough to get up for the week following a week of relative success? In other words, after I win, I feel confused how the heck to do it all over again. Maybe it’s exhaustion from 4 days of shot tracker? :-0

  • noddy

    DFS golf has made my work week “shorter”. Now instead of trying to make it to Friday afternoon I’m happy when Thursday morning rolls around.

  • timusbr

    @philthefox said...

    Does anyone else find it tough to get up for the week following a week of relative success?

    yes, this is a break from reality that I enjoy, but sometimes its too much. Its pretty easy to tell when I have had enough….I dont want to do my process. When I am up for it, whoosh time flys I enjoyed the number crunching and am excited to get to it. 2 totally different feelings and I adjust my bets accordingly.

  • superstars92

    @cy1985 said...

    I admire guys like superstar who put in 69 lineups into the $33. But so many of us don’t have that kind of bankroll. But I don’t like the smaller contests, because of the number of entries. But I was entering sometimes 3 or 4 in the dogleg and that was too many. So I got down to 1 and 2 most weeks. I cored up with you guys for the Open in the $8 because I didn’t like anything else. I made a small profit, but not my thing.

    I still think the dogleg is a greatly weekly contest if you are entering one entry. Odds are still 1 entry in 14,000 to 17,000 usually. Odds are like 1 in 4 you’ll get something back. Still a better chance to place a high lineup than many other things in life and better odds you can cash a 5/6 most weeks.

    Wait, this is a little misleading, and I’ll try to answer it by being helpful from my perspective. First of all, I completely agree with you that if I could only enter 1 lineup, I would not have won, and I was lucky to win overall. I normally enter about 40 entries, and then enter about the same amount in double ups (so if my GPPs bust, my cash game can make me break even), but there was overlay last week, so I entered some more to take advantage of it in the Dogleg (it was like around 1k spots unfilled).

    The way I enter is very different than like randomly picking 40 lineups though. I usually have a heavy core of players in many of my teams, which I will do again this week and for the British. My winning lineup had Xander/Walker/Finau, and all 3 were on my cash game team too (which would be my single entry lineup if it was restricted that way). I think this is the way to go if you want to multi-enter. You have to go heavy on a particular core and have at least 75% of the core on all teams. You also have to like completely fade players too that might get some decent ownership on ALL teams. Holmes and Henley were the two highest owned golfers I had that were not on my cash game team, and they were on that winning team, so I stick to the core players and only differentiate in one-off situations.

    I am actually doing what you are doing, but I guess my core just extends to more lineups than you. My bankroll is built up from doing smaller entries though from NBA. I used to only enter like 3-5 for NBA with double ups and that’s how I built it, and I am definitely not a pro like all the guys you see with 150 max entries (I manually create all my lineups and I work a non-full time DFS job).

    Anyways, this week, I am not even going to enter the same way as previous weeks. I’ll try not to enter a lot in like the 8 or 33 dollar contests and instead enter like 5-6 in the Club Pro and 1 in the Country Club, with one cash game team in the double ups. I will still invest about the same amount of money as entering a lot into the Dogleg, but I don’t want to interfere with you guys that want to try to win the 8 and 33 contests. Like I promise I won’t enter many in, if any at all, the 8 or 33 dollar contests (you can check the contests once they start to see if my word is true), like a lot of pros who will not only enter these but max enter these. I might still enter some lower level double ups though, but not the tourneys. EDIT: I might still do some in the 4 though since it’s 20-max, and I want some pivots off of my Club Pro team, but I can assure you I won’t have any in the 8 or 33.

    This was meant to be helpful from my perspective, so please don’t take it as criticism. I completely agree with you about the max entering thing. However, keep in mind a lot of guys who max enter actually just help donate money to the prize pool because like most/all their lineups end up sucking and you get like 147/150 dead lineups.

  • superstars92

    I definitely will have Kyle Stanley in cash and some GPPs. I know an argument against him is that his price has gone up a ton since his win, but keep in mind he was consistently under priced throughout this season (why he saw high ownership), so his price is now actually correct. I wouldn’t say it’s too high because it’s just making up for his under-pricing all season.

    If anything, I think he’s a very good play for his price since he’s one of the best ball strikes in this field, he also scores well on par 4s, and he has decent CH (if you put weight on that) despite the fact he wasn’t even as good of a player the last few years.

    The only concern is his putting (if you want to make lots of birdies, you have to put well), but I think that one has the most variability, and I’m hoping he’s on the better side this week.

    Wes Bryan might actually see good ownership at his price if you want to pay up for 2 top guys. He’s struggled a lot lately, but shorter courses are usually better for him, so he looks appealing at first look. He might be decently owned though despite his recent struggles, so not sure I want him for GPP, but probably cash.

    Actually, I am a little bit conflicted on Bryan the more I look at him. I know I’ll have Stanley for sure, but still wondering about Bryan. I will also be going no ZJ at all in tourneys, but he probably will be highly owned in cash, so I might as well join the crowd since I think my other 5/6 can do better in the chance he misses the cut. ZJ fits the course quite well with his style of play and he’s got a good CH, but I feel like if you guys think his ownership is high as it will be, I think it’s a good time to fade because he’s not the same golfer this year as previous years.

  • mnstone14

    how much do people weigh recent form vs course history?

  • superstars92

    @mnstone14 said...

    how much do people weigh recent form vs course history?

    Course History – Some, but it depends on like the golfer itself

    For example, Kyle Stanley is not the same golfer as he was 2-3 years ago, so looking at his CH 2-3 years ago is a bit misleading. That goes for Bubba too and ZJ (in the opposite sense).

    I think the best case was at the Traveler’s, a course Bubba has dominated for years (multiple wins, multiple top 20s in a row). This year he got an MC, which was no surprise because he simply isn’t as good. I don’t want to give too much misinformation about ZJ. I don’t actually know if he’s really regressed the last few years. He probably has, but I’ve never really chosen him this year, so I haven’t taken a look. Bubba for sure, his CH is completely useless right now.

    You have to define what you mean by recent history. If you just mean like last week, then I don’t really consider it. Like I don’t even worry about Kisner MC last week. That doesn’t mean I’ll choose him this week, but it just won’t be a consideration for choosing/not choosing him.

  • jdelsas

    @mnstone14 said...

    how much do people weigh recent form vs course history?

    In my opinion, I like to weigh recent form more than course history. As superstars pointed out, CH doesn’t take into effect how a player has regressed/progressed since the prior year(s). I like to run a cut % formula to see what percentage of the time a golfer is making the cut for a particular time range. The other factor is field strength in cuts made and how the course setup vs the current week’s course.

    So, I look at recent form cut % to start and then look at field strength, course type, along with a few other stats.

  • superstars92

    ^Yea good point. Course type is probably a better to look at than just course history. You also have a larger sample that way.

  • rogerfederer1

    How do people approach lineups for contests like triple ups or 10x boosters. Same as cash lineups for most? In those with 34 entrants top 3 earn 10x.

  • cy1985

    @superstars92 said...

    Wait, this is a little misleading, and I’ll try to answer it by being helpful from my perspective. First of all, I completely agree with you that if I could only enter 1 lineup, I would not have won, and I was lucky to win overall. I normally enter about 40 entries, and then enter about the same amount in double ups (so if my GPPs bust, my cash game can make me break even), but there was overlay last week, so I entered some more to take advantage of it in the Dogleg (it was like around 1k spots unfilled).

    The way I enter is very different than like randomly picking 40 lineups though. I usually have a heavy core of players in many of my teams, which I will do again this week and for the British. My winning lineup had Xander/Walker/Finau, and all 3 were on my cash game team too (which would be my single entry lineup if it was restricted that way). I think this is the way to go if you want to multi-enter. You have to go heavy on a particular core and have at least 75% of the core on all teams. You also have to like completely fade players too that might get some decent ownership on ALL teams. Holmes and Henley were the two highest owned golfers I had that were not on my cash game team, and they were on that winning team, so I stick to the core players and only differentiate in one-off situations.

    I am actually doing what you are doing, but I guess my core just extends to more lineups than you. My bankroll is built up from doing smaller entries though from NBA. I used to only enter like 3-5 for NBA with double ups and that’s how I built it, and I am definitely not a pro like all the guys you see with 150 max entries (I manually create all my lineups and I work a non-full time DFS job).

    Anyways, this week, I am not even going to enter the same way as previous weeks. I’ll not enter like the 4,8, or 33 dollar contests and instead enter like 5-6 in the Club Pro and 1 in the Country Club, with one cash game team in the double ups. I will still invest about the same amount of money as entering a lot into the Dogleg, but I don’t want to interfere with you guys that want to try to win the 4, 8, and 33 contests. Like I promise I won’t enter the 4, 8, or 33 dollar contests (you can check the contests once they start to see if my word is true), like a lot of pros who will not only enter these but max enter these. I might still enter some lower level double ups though, but not the tourneys.

    This was meant to be helpful from my perspective, so please don’t take it as criticism. I completely agree with you about the max entering thing. However, keep in mind a lot of guys who max enter actually just help donate money to the prize pool because like most/all their lineups end up sucking and you get like 147/150 dead lineups.

    Superstars, you’re my hero. No criticism directed towards you. Congrats on how you built your bankroll. My whole point was if you have a bankroll of somewhere between $40 to $50 a week to work with in golf, I’d pick doing the dogleg over putting more entries in a smaller pool.

    40 entries times 33 dollars is $1320. It’s more than most risk in a year. I risk 4 figures over 12 months, but most of the players here are never gonna play that. The most I’ve risked in one way is probably $900. And that was one time.

    I am anti mass entering actually. That’s my whole point if you don’t have the bankroll.

    For me from a fan perspective, from an excitement standpoint I’d rather put in 1 or 2 lineups in the dogleg every week over doing something smaller. I focus more, I think about my picks, etc.

    If guys like you can afford to put in as many as you do, all the best to you.

  • superstars92

    @cy1985 said...

    Superstars, you’re my hero. No criticism directed towards you. Congrats on how you built your bankroll. My whole point was if you have a bankroll of somewhere between $40 to $50 a week to work with in golf, I’d pick doing the dogleg over putting more entries in a smaller pool.

    40 entries times 33 dollars is $1320. It’s more than most risk in a year. I risk 4 figures over 12 months, but most of the players here are never gonna play that. The most I’ve risked in one way is probably $900. And that was one time.

    I am anti mass entering actually. That’s my whole point if you don’t have the bankroll.

    For me from a fan perspective, from an excitement standpoint I’d rather put in 1 or 2 lineups in the dogleg every week over doing something smaller. I focus more, I think about my picks, etc.

    If guys like you can afford to put in as many as you do, all the best to you.

    Yea don’t worry, I’ll actually only have like 10 or so lineups this week, and like I said, none into the 8 or 33 and more into the higher entries (so like same amount wagered but not mass entering into smaller contests). It means my variance will be higher, but my EV should be the same. I get what you guys are going for, so I don’t mind. Besides, I always wanted to play fish like Saahil haha =) (ok he’s not a fish, he’s obviously better than me, but it’ll be interesting – but actually Awesomo has probably overtaken him along with a few others this year)

  • superstars92

    @rogerfederer1 said...

    How do people approach lineups for contests like triple ups or 10x boosters. Same as cash lineups for most? In those with 34 entrants top 3 earn 10x.

    I don’t play those, but my guess is you might want to differentiate a bit more (maybe not go with all chalk) since you want to treat it more like a GPP than a cash game where like 44% cash.

    I do play those for NFL, and I can tell you I always stack QB/WR, so this is a similar idea in going for more boom-bust.

  • cy1985

    @lfn1992 said...

    Point above: cy: You say:

    “I don’t like small entries”
    “I don’t have enough bankroll to 150 max LU a $33 contest”

    This is the entire problem with DK golf right now. You ARE allowed to max LU and play with that strategy if you’re a high roller. But if you’re just a low, mid-roller, you can’t even experiment in a QA. It’s not fair – small potatoes players should have the same opportunities as the high rollers.

    LFN, I admire your passion. Unfortunately life isn’t fair and many things come down to money. It’s like when you check into a hotel on the Las Vegas Strip, high rollers and people staying in luxury rooms are going to get better services and perks than the average person checking into a basic room. It shouldn’t be like that, but that’s how life is.

    I’ve spent my life around millionaires and very poor people, I’ve seen it all. I can tell you the services and perks the rich get at certain things aren’t all that great. I’ve experienced some of the high life for free because of the work I do. I would never pay what some people pay for things even if I had the money.

    The best rich people are those who save and hold onto their money. Read the famous book The Millionaire Next Door if you’re interested in building wealth.

  • cy1985

    @superstars92 said...

    Yea don’t worry, I’ll actually only have like 10 or so lineups this week, and like I said, none into the 4/8/33 and more into the higher entries (so like same amount wagered but not mass entering into smaller contests). It means my variance will be higher, but my EV should be the same. I get what you guys are going for, so I don’t mind. Besides, I always wanted to play fish like Saahil haha =) (ok he’s not a fish, he’s obviously better than me, but it’ll be interesting – but actually Awesomo has probably overtaken him along with a few others this year)

    You actually scooped up Saahi and the dogleg like a fish unlike Rzayan once claimed.

  • Jamcclea

    @BIF said...

    Jam, you lost to me by 4 points but you failed to state that I beat your 5/6 with my 4/6 ;)

    I figured I was going to lose a tight one because we both had Walker so it was really 4 vs 3 on the weekend but you played Ted Potter so you deserve to lose LOL – one look at his picture and DK and I know I’ll never play that round bald guy.

    Got your invite for this week – I’ll work on my entries tonight.

    My man teddy Potts ended up doing ok! Sean O’Hair was my undoing.

  • Cooper08

    • Blogger of the Month

    Keep an eye on JJ Spaun this week. Was playing well, hurt the ribs and missed some cuts. Last week played well enough to show he is over rib issues. He has the ability to score very well. Good time to jump back on him.

    Scott Brown is another to watch. Has played well here and does well in weak fields. The issue with Brown is he falls apart in round 3/4. This is the type of course that he could get over that issue with.

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    @WidumBoise said...

    Sure, send a H2H match over to me.

    My username on DK is ThaheelThud

    I see what you did there. Funny name, but since you aren’t on DK under that name, I guess you weren’t serious. If you do actually want to play, send me a $50 H2H at ekimnotloh on DK. I won’t be holding my breath though.

  • WidumBoise

    @noddy said...

    DFS golf has made my work week “shorter”. Now instead of trying to make it to Friday afternoon I’m happy when Thursday morning rolls around.

  • GaryScott59

    Recreational player. Those games are pretty much all that I play. Golf supports my baseball habit. Deposited $25.00 on Dec, 24, 2016 and have won a total of 640.00. About 540.00 of that is golf. I suck at baseball but love to play. Currently have about $30.00 in the account and have not made any other deposits.

    The strategy is best cut makers and recent history. Nothing else considered. FWIW. A lot of entertainment for seven months for 25.00. Lucky is the best word. I will deposit more very soon no doubt.

  • GaryScott59

    Newbie who was trying to answer the post about playing multiplier games and failed….sorry for any confusion.

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