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  • Philly25

    Last Week Tonight main segment was on DFS today if anyone wants to watch it. I love the show however Oliver took a strong stance against sites being a game of skill and mocked many aspects of it.

  • milktruck2

    He didn’t take a stance against gambling — he says he’s not advocating it should be illegal, just regulated as all other forms of gambling are. He’s taking a stance against the intellectual dishonesty required to say it’s not gambling.

  • JustDFSin

    @bobbyrogers46 said...

    Appears to be true, John Oliver showed a clip of a New York news reporter on scene making the claim and pointed out that the FanDuel office was near by, compound that with the DFS convention and you have maybe another 100 folks and then maybe 50 true Non-FanDuel employed New York residents at best to equal out 250. Hence why all the signs were made from the same company and had no individualized design concept.

    Dfs couldn’t have been that important to players in Ny based off the turnout.

  • Sharpljp

    He does make a great point about being tied to poker. And I’ve asked this question before.. Why would you be tied to any form of gambling? I love poker but it is considered gambling. So you say over and over that you’re a game of skill but you sponsor the world series of poker and even run tournaments to win an entry to poker tournaments.. Am I the only one who’s been scratching their head over that? All they are doing is attaching themselves to gambling when they should be running as fast as they can from it.

    I probably don’t need to bring up their commercials. They ran commercials over and over and over again as we all know and those commercials, in my opinion, were detrimental to the industry.

    Marketing the stories of the guys that put 10 dollars in and won 3 million (sounds like buying a scratch-off right?) then replaying that over 50 thousand times a day was self destructive.

    It just seems that, in more than one facet, the leaders of this multi billion dollar industry were arrogant and foolish. I’m not sure if long term security was at the forefront of their priority list. If it was, they did not act like it.

    Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered.

  • JEFFRAMBO

    @JustDFSin said...

    Dfs couldn’t have been that important to players in Ny based off the turnout.

    The rally was announced one or two days before on only one forum (this one; as far as I know) that only makes up a smidgen of the DFS player base. I don’t think that the turnout is a fair representation of what level of importance DFS has to NY players.

  • old_T

    • 2016 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    Love Oliver and the segment was funny, but the somewhat inconsistent argument he makes, and that is held by many of the general public, shows why they probably don’t want DFS or other games of skill to be legal…

    “IT’S OBVIOUSLY GAMBLING. OH WAIT, THERE’S ALSO A BUNCH OF SKILL INVOLVED….BUT THAT’S A BAD THING TOO!!!!”

    Basically it doesn’t even matter whether it is gambling or a game of skill; many people just see it as something shady they don’t fully understand, and that’s all it takes for them to not like it.

  • raiders7532

    @milktruck2 said...

    Yep, the facts that it is gambling, you have many former poker pros involved and other inconvenient elements were swept under the rug in any discussion about DFS. That’s not to say it shouldn’t be legal — it obviously should be with regulation — or that it’s impossible to win without a spreadsheet — I’ve won regularly without one. Just glad we can have an honest discussion about this and hopefully it leads to legalization with oversight rather than a complete ban.

    Im amazed of the stupidity of DRAFT KINGS sponsoring World Poker Championship Tournaments.

  • depalma13

    @raiders7532 said...

    Im amazed of the stupidity of DRAFT KINGS sponsoring World Poker Championship Tournaments.

    Why? Men ages 18-35 are their target audience.

  • milktruck2

    @depalma13 said...

    Why? Men ages 18-35 are their target audience.

    Because common sense would dictate if you are operating in a legal gray area that associating yourself with gambling is a pretty dumb idea

  • VinnyTheBeard

    The AG just Tweeted the segment out like he had anything to do with it.

  • depalma13

    @milktruck2 said...

    Because common sense would dictate if you are operating in a legal gray area that associating yourself with gambling is a pretty dumb idea

    They are growing an industry that they believe is legal.

    So you are saying they know they are not really legal and should stay in the shadows.

  • ActionJunkie

    Let’s get this thread back on topic… Seth Rogan > John Oliver

  • aboynamedsuh

    • 951

      RG Overall Ranking

    “I just turned $35….into $2 million dollars…into $40….into $0…..on Fanduel.”

  • toxx6878

    @esnyd10987 said...

    Good lord that commercial was hilarious

    seth rogen killed it! LMAO

  • Unico10

    • 707

      RG Overall Ranking

    Do you pay to play? Yes.
    Do you win something? Yes.

    It’s gambling.

    The fact that it requires skills doesn’t make it not gambling.
    Whatever they need to say to get through the UIGEA is one thing, but if you are playing and you tell yourself that you are not gambling, you need help.

  • lolrice

    that segment at the end killed it. that shit was hilarious

  • theoddsmaker

    Love Jon Oliver but when he was making fun of the 100% legal thing it make things look even worse even though it actually is legal based on the carve out of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (which might I say was one of the many dumb fuck moves by who was arguably the worst president of all time…not many even debate this anymore).

    We really need to stop debating is it or isn’t it gambling, we need to simply re-visit the 2006 bill and try to get it right. That is supposed to be one of the founding principles of this country is that if we realize we fucked up with a prior bill we either amend it or create a new one…not sure why the 2006 bill is presented like it was created by God himself and thou shalt not even question it.

    Basically, we need to just make online sports betting legal again and the rest will follow. Only thing preventing this is big casinos and that’s obviously not right. Either way, when the 2006 bill was passed did it mean people stopped gambling? No. Did people go fly out to Vegas more to book sports bets? No. People just started betting off-shore. This meant we just re-directed MILLIONS of dollars out of our economy and into another countries. Wasn’t too surprising the economy collapsed soon after…not 100% because of the sports betting money being flushed out of our economy, but it did us 0 favors that’s for sure.

    So if DFS is banned in the same fashion…guess what….same thing is going to happen. Sites offshore will start offering DFS and although the volume might not be as high, you will start to see everyone start playing there and once again all that $ is going to be getting flushed out of our economy. It’s not like if DFS goes under you’re going to see me 3 nights a week at the Hustler smoking 2 packs of cigs playing slots and roulette for 5 hours. If anything I will make a point to never play a table game ever again out of spite.

    Edit: Aaaaaaand AG Schniederman just troll tweeted the JO video clip to rub it in: https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/666336723593527297

    Never thought I’d see a politician go out of their way to promote a comedic news reporter as a “I told you so”

  • VinnyT87

    There’s a lot of butthurt on this thread. You all should move back in to your parents house in NJ/CT and change your address in time for the NFL games next weekend! lolol

  • DavidK44

    @milktruck2 said...

    He didn’t take a stance against gambling — he says he’s not advocating it should be illegal, just regulated as all other forms of gambling are. He’s taking a stance against the intellectual dishonesty required to say it’s not gambling.

    While I agree it’s ridiculous to say DFS isn’t gammbling in the traditional sense, or in a common-sense definition of the world, it isn’t gambling in many jurisdiction in the LEGAL sense of the world. And there is a SIGNIFICANT consequence of being “gambling” or not “gambling” in the legal sense. So DK and FD consistently stressed this fact because it’s incredibly good business to do so.

    This is because our country is entirely retarded when it comes to gambling. And also incredibly hypocritical.

    If our country was reasonable, the two companies could offer DFS without going through the entire stupid charade of saying it’s not gambling. And sports betting would be legal, and online poker would be legal. But we don’t live in a reasonable country (although our country is more reasonable than say, Iraq, but that’s not really saying much). One symptom of the unreasonableness is having sports betting and poker be almost entirely banned, but DFS being arguably legal because it’s not “gambling” in the legal sense.

    Put it this way. Forget the word gambling. Sports betting and poker are banned because of Jupiter. Congress passes a law that says Activity Alpha is not Jupiter for reasons Wiskey, Fox, and Tango. Company creates a service that offers Activity Beta, that follows the same Whiskey, Fox and Tango reasons that Congres said make Activity Alpha not Jupiter under the law. Company markets itself as not Jupiter.

    Why woudln’t the company market itself as Not Jupiter?

  • depalma13

    @theoddsmaker said...

    Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (which might I say was one of the many dumb fuck moves by who was arguably the worst president of all time…not many even debate this anymore).

    It was a rider on a ports bill, it had nothing to do with Bush.

  • Geauxgonzo

    I think I’m going to change my screen name to “Big Winner”

  • whothis

    Really? Hey asshat, this was annouced 2 days before, have a family, bills to pay, 1 kid in college, 2 on the way, and I am supposed to drop everything because FD and DK didnt see this coming? The script issue, Ethan, the fn commercials, they brought this on themselves.

    Pretty friggin simple, show the AG and the critiques that the game is legit, that they have security measures in place.

    No post lock up changes or new lineups?

    Collusion?

    The sharing/selling of pro lineups?

    Prove this and dfs will be fine…….

  • whothis

    forgot to quote JustDfsin

  • einars

    @whothis said...

    Pretty friggin simple, show the AG and the critiques that the game is legit, that they have security measures in place.

    No post lock up changes or new lineups?

    Collusion?

    The sharing/selling of pro lineups?

    Prove this and dfs will be fine…….

    literally all of that is irrelevant in the NY case. its all about whether or not it is gambling

  • londog7

    • 2014 FanDuel NFL Survivor Finalist

    I love playing DFS. I love John Oliver. The bit was absolutely hysterical and definitely asked a lot of important questions as all good satire does. As another post pointed out, I’m glad that he didn’t get into the BS story about “insider trading” that was pervasive in so many media stories over the last two months. I also agree that the study about the percentage of money won by the top players is a misleading statistic. Other than that, I thought the issues he tackled were fair game. And funny as hell.

  • spyder

    “Your husband.. the big F’ing winner!” – Seth Rogen with his $6.18 big check LOL this killed me..

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