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  • yisman

    abcnews.go.com/Sports/qb-colin-kaepernick-filing-grievance-collusion-nfl-owners/story?id=50498864

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    @jjwd said...

    People fall into the trap of describing “the average white person” or “the black community”… that’s lazy, and essentially racist. Just my opinion. Ask “brown people” in Miami what they think of Kaep.

    Huh? No one said any of that except you. On top of that you follow it with ask what brown people in miami think..which by your own definition is lazy and racist.

    “Brown people” in miami arent a monolith either, and if you did ask them, on average youll probably find different answers between darker / lighter hispanics, and between nationalities

  • jjwd

    @hishboo said...

    Brown people” in miami arent a monolith either

    Never said they were. I have quarrel with people who say Kaep isn’t divisive. Clearly he is, and it’s not a purely racial thing. Many people (at least one in this thread) imply that Kaep is unpopular because he makes white people uncomfortable. That’s their opinion, but I think it’s lazy.

  • tmarohl

    CreditSuisse just cut it’s third quarter earnings per share estimates on CBS by 5 percent, citing the company’s softer Sunday NFL Ratings.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/cbs-earnings-to-disappoint-due-to-weak-nfl-ratings-credit-suisse-says.html

    This is one of the reasons Kaep is not wanted by any NFL team. It is a no win situation. A team would end up alienating a large percentage of their fans. That is just not good for business.

  • bigez952

    @tmarohl said...

    CreditSuisse just cut it’s third quarter earnings per share estimates on CBS by 5 percent, citing the company’s softer Sunday NFL Ratings.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/cbs-earnings-to-disappoint-due-to-weak-nfl-ratings-credit-suisse-says.html

    This is one of the reasons Kaep is not wanted by any NFL team. It is a no win situation. A team would end up alienating a large percentage of their fans. That is just not good for business.

    I don’t really have an opinion either way but I think is pretty funny that players kneeling is having a direct affect to viewership and costing the NFL money. Players can beat women, beat kids, get DWI’s, Beat Dogs, sexually assault women, and even be accused of being involved with a murder with no one really caring or at least not enough to affect viewership. I guess people draw the line at kneeling during the anthem because nothing celebrates freedom more than forcing people to act a certain way in the presence of the flag.

  • KindGuy

    @bigez952 said...

    I don’t really have an opinion either way but I think is pretty funny that players kneeling is having a direct affect to viewership and costing the NFL money. Players can beat women, beat kids, get DWI’s, Beat Dogs, sexually assault women, and even be accused of being involved with a murder with no one really caring or at least not enough to affect viewership. I guess people draw the line at kneeling during the anthem because nothing celebrates freedom more than forcing people to act a certain way in the presence of the flag.

    Bingooooooooooooooo

    And therein lies the problem. The issue isn’t Kaepernick. It’s the cupcake fans who are too soft that they cry and whine and protest players kneeling for the anthem, citing bullshit reason such as “They’re disrespecting muh flag!!.”

    ‘Merica

  • joephoto

    @bigez952 said...

    forcing people to act a certain way in the presence of the flag.

    No one is forcing them to stand.
    Even though teams have guidelines stating players should stand during anthem.

    I can protest too.
    I’m considering boycotting the NFL for Veterans Day weekend,
    not really because of the disrespect being shown,
    but because I’m pissed at the NFL for being completely leaderless on many issues with that clown Roger Goodell in charge.

  • w3stcoastoff3ns3

    @osuryanf said...

    Is he good enough to be in the league? Yep

    Is he good enough to be a starter? I mean, maybe.. Blake Bortles is a starter so yeah probably..

    Is he worth the headache from a team perspective? No. It would create a media frenzy that would only serve as a distraction.

    End of the day the NFL always has been and always will be about the $$.. element touched on it earlier, a decent portion of any teams fan base will refuse to come to games if he’s signed. So is it worth losing thousands? Maybe a million or more over the course of a season? No. And his outspoken girlfriend has done absolutely nothing to help his cause of getting back on an NFL team.

    He played for the 49ers for nearly an entire season kneeling every game he started in, the team was a disaster and the 49ers still had a profitable year. There are a lot of business in this world that could possibly lose money due to the actions of an employee (that may or may not offend a certain demographic of people) but the NFL isn’t one of them. This league has harbored women beaters, cheaters, rapist, murders and some how a peaceful protest is where we draw the line and or see a loss in profits? That’s a very weak argument with no proof to back it up. Even with a ratings drop last season the NFL was still by far the best sports product around. The funny thing is if someone would have signed Kap during the summer and buried him on a depth chart this wouldn’t even be a topic at this point. The NFL did this to themselves. They over managed the situation and pissed their players off and started a mass protest. The ultimate play for this is that Kaep will eventually get this pushed into a federal court where they will be able to subpoena emails and all sorts of other documents from the NFL and from there it will be a complete shit show.

  • joephoto

    @w3stcoastoff3ns3 said...

    The NFL did this to themselves. They over managed the situation and pissed their players off and started a mass protest. The ultimate play for this is that Kaep will eventually get this pushed into a federal court where they will be able to subpoena emails and all sorts of other documents from the NFL and from there it will be a complete shit show.

    I agree, like I said, the NFL is led by an overpaid clown.

  • NoLimits0

    @w3stcoastoff3ns3 said...

    This league has harbored women beaters, cheaters, rapist, murders and some how a peaceful protest is where we draw the line and or see a loss in profits?

    Except those guys were good enough to make a significant difference. The ones that weren’t aren’t playing. Do you see Greg Hardy, Justin Blackmon, Titus Young, or Ray Rice playing currently? Jerry Jones took a chance on Hardy but since he wasn’t good he cut him.

    If Colin was Ray Lewis level, every team would be lining up to sign him. They could care less about his past.

    At the end of the day, Colin is a scrub QB. He led the 49ers to 4 wins the last two years. The Dolphins and Jets (both you can argue could have signed him to be a starter) already have 3 wins in 6 weeks. And don’t say the Jets have more talent than the 49ers did because they don’t.

    Is he better than some QBs? Yes. But is he significantly better to make a difference? No. He’s not Ray Lewis or Michael Irvin. Jerry Jones is the one who backed Irvin. You know why? Becuase he was good. At the end of the day it’s about how good you are and Colin just isn’t good enough. He’s marginally better than some QBs (and that’s debatable doubt he could lead the Jets to 3-3 this year) and that’s not significantly good enough.

  • bigez952

    @w3stcoastoff3ns3 said...

    The NFL did this to themselves. They over managed the situation and pissed their players off and started a mass protest. The ultimate play for this is that Kaep will eventually get this pushed into a federal court where they will be able to subpoena emails and all sorts of other documents from the NFL and from there it will be a complete shit show.

    I blame the media far more than the NFL. They are the ones who started doing second by second live updates of what players are doing in order to fuel and drive controversy just to have a story. I think early the NFL just ignored the issue and if the media didn’t continue to make it an issue it would have gone away.

    There is no way the NFL lets this get to a federal court and I would guess they would settle with Kapernick to get the issue to go away long before going to court since it wouldn’t surprise me at all if there actually was communication between the owners agreeing to keep him out which would just blow this situation up even more.

  • Unico10

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    Reasons for CBS/FOX/NBC rating drop:

    1) Generational change on way content is consumed – There are more and more ways to consume content rather than spend your Sunday in front of the tv… highlights streamed in near real time are satisfying to many. Especially under 30s

    2) Too many interruptions and commercials – Leads right back to #1

    3) Games choice and over-extension of product – Thursday games should go away

    4) Injuries to many popular players

    5) Cyclical nature of things – Ratings cannot go up forever, NFL may have just reached a critical mass = top in ratings

    6) Rule changes – Less violence makes the product less enjoyable for some. Also rule changes have led to more flags/reviews which goes back to points #1 and #2

    7) Teams moving – Loss of fan base due to greedy owners

    Simple minds explanations: less people is watching because players are kneeling….

  • kps3205s

    @bigez952 said...

    here is no way the NFL lets this get to a federal court and I would guess they would settle with Kapernick to get the issue to go away long before going to court since it wouldn’t surprise me at all if there actually was communication between the owners agreeing to keep him out which would just blow this situation up even more.

    It’s more than the owners. It’s every member of every NFL team that can possibly be looked at

    Great article explaining how little it would take for collusion to be proven in this case:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-collusion-grievance-case-2017-10

  • mambaland

    so today michael bennett said “if they would sign Kap all the kneeling would end” i thought the kneeling was about something else?

  • KindGuy

    @w3stcoastoff3ns3 said...

    He played for the 49ers for nearly an entire season kneeling every game he started in, the team was a disaster and the 49ers still had a profitable year. There are a lot of business in this world that could possibly lose money due to the actions of an employee (that may or may not offend a certain demographic of people) but the NFL isn’t one of them. This league has harbored women beaters, cheaters, rapist, murders and some how a peaceful protest is where we draw the line and or see a loss in profits? That’s a very weak argument with no proof to back it up. Even with a ratings drop last season the NFL was still by far the best sports product around. The funny thing is if someone would have signed Kap during the summer and buried him on a depth chart this wouldn’t even be a topic at this point. The NFL did this to themselves. They over managed the situation and pissed their players off and started a mass protest. The ultimate play for this is that Kaep will eventually get this pushed into a federal court where they will be able to subpoena emails and all sorts of other documents from the NFL and from there it will be a complete shit show.

    I totally agree. The reason why there is a media circus is because Kaepernick is so obviously being colluded against. NFL owners put this on themselves. The more they wait, the worst it gets.

  • tmarohl

    @elementasrat said...

    I totally agree. The reason why there is a media circus is because Kaepernick is so obviously being colluded against. NFL owners put this on themselves. The more they wait, the worst it gets.

    Disagree completely. There is no collusion. They individually just came to the conclusion that his talent level isn’t worth the hassle. Just business. If a team honestly thought Kap would take them to the playoffs or the superbowl, he would be on a team. Bottom line.

  • murphstahoe

    @tmarohl said...

    CreditSuisse just cut it’s third quarter earnings per share estimates on CBS by 5 percent, citing the company’s softer Sunday NFL Ratings.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/cbs-earnings-to-disappoint-due-to-weak-nfl-ratings-credit-suisse-says.html

    This is one of the reasons Kaep is not wanted by any NFL team. It is a no win situation. A team would end up alienating a large percentage of their fans. That is just not good for business.

    The GOP has increased the concentration of money among a smaller set of people. You can’t watch the NFL if you can’t afford TV

  • kps3205s

    Interesting note from the CNN Money article:

    The agreement between the NFL and the players union specifically states that simply presenting evidence of a player’s skills, and the lack of offers from teams, is not enough to meet the “burden of proof” needed to prove collusion. Which leads to why Geragos wants all info saved in regards to Kap.

    Link to whole article: http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/17/news/colin-kaepernick-collusion/

  • btwice80

    @bigez952 said...

    I don’t really have an opinion either way but I think is pretty funny that players kneeling is having a direct affect to viewership and costing the NFL money. Players can beat women, beat kids, get DWI’s, Beat Dogs, sexually assault women, and even be accused of being involved with a murder with no one really caring or at least not enough to affect viewership. I guess people draw the line at kneeling during the anthem

    Sums up my thoughts exactly. People have weird priorities.

  • ljason8eg

    @mambaland said...

    so today michael bennett said “if they would sign Kap all the kneeling would end” i thought the kneeling was about something else?

    The majority of them don’t even know what they’re protesting about. Groupthink is a powerful thing.

  • SkateFiend

    @bigez952 said...

    I don’t really have an opinion either way but I think is pretty funny that players kneeling is having a direct affect to viewership and costing the NFL money. Players can beat women, beat kids, get DWI’s, Beat Dogs, sexually assault women, and even be accused of being involved with a murder with no one really caring or at least not enough to affect viewership. I guess people draw the line at kneeling during the anthem because nothing celebrates freedom more than forcing people to act a certain way in the presence of the flag.

    The players who beat wives and drive drunk are disciplined by the league. Fans don’t (and shouldn’t) hold the entire league accountable due to the actions of individual players.

    This always struck me as a bit of a disingenuous argument. If American players knelt during the Mexican or Iranian anthem before a friendly, that would lead to a minor international incident. “But we only wanted to protest the injustice raging in their society” would fall on deaf ears.

    Several years ago some snowflakes got really upset when American students came to school on Cinco De Mayo wearing shirts with the American flag. They were supposedly “disrespecting” Mexico. Nationalism was a part of humanity for a while now, especially the sports scene. The World Cup often becomes a stage where feuding nations can play out old grudges on the playing field. Well, I guess most Americans wouldn’t get that.

    People get raped and shot to death all over the country and no one bats an eye. But some drunken comedian is caught on tape and utters the N word, and he would be the talk of the social media. That’s not fair either. But that’s how humans behave. We all belong to a tribe and demand acceptance or sensitivity to our own cause.

    I mean, people here get offended if some white model poses for photo shoot dressed like a Geisha. Because it’s “cultural appropriation”. What? People get slighted by the most trivial things, but they’re mystified that a nation would be upset over public figures slighting the nation’s flag or anthem? Koreans foam at the mouth when foreigners display their flag with a slightly unadjusted triagram.

  • Gambler

    It’s a buisness and they have a right to decide who works for them. They would be getting into very dicey territory if they start forcing teams to hire sign players.

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    @jjwd said...

    Never said they were. I have quarrel with people who say Kaep isn’t divisive. Clearly he is, and it’s not a purely racial thing. Many people (at least one in this thread) imply that Kaep is unpopular because he makes white people uncomfortable. That’s their opinion, but I think it’s lazy.

    Again, for the THIRD time. I said Kaepernick makes SOME white people feel uncomfortable about how they themseleves think. Hey, I’ll even tell you for the FOURTH time what I said…I said Kaepernick makes SOME white people feel uncomfortable. Nothing lazy about that because it’s the truth.

    Yet in your statement about “brown people”, you didn’t even qualify that statement as some or a few. You said brown people in Miami, which implys ALL brown people. Yet you are sitting here saying that I am saying ALL white people. I’m beginning to believe this boils down to who knows how to use/read the English language correctly and who doesnt…..what else could it possibly be at this point as I’ve had to explain this to you THREE times. LOL.

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    @joephoto said...

    No one is forcing them to stand.
    Even though teams have guidelines stating players should stand during anthem.

    I can protest too.
    I’m considering boycotting the NFL for Veterans Day weekend,
    not really because of the disrespect being shown,
    but because I’m pissed at the NFL for being completely leaderless on many issues with that clown Roger Goodell in charge.

    So you conflate patriotism with militarism? Since when did killing 30 million people (many civilians in unjust or wars completely fabricated and based on lies) since World War 2 by the US military become the basis of being patriotic? You realize we wouldnt have to be remembering so many dead US troops on on Veterens Day if many people wouldnt be so eager to support wars based on lies.

  • JustDFSin

    @elementasrat said...

    Bingooooooooooooooo

    And therein lies the problem. The issue isn’t Kaepernick. It’s the cupcake fans who are too soft that they cry and whine and protest players kneeling for the anthem, citing bullshit reason such as “They’re disrespecting muh flag!!.”

    ‘Merica

    Perception is in the eyes of the beholder. Go to a hockey game. When they fight the ref lets the players drop their gloves and punch each other senseless. The crowd cheers and the players go to the penalty box. If Nfl players or Nba players fight (ex Detroit pistons brawl) they are considered thugs and criminals. We live in 2 Americas

  • joephoto

    @thedude404 said...

    So you conflate patriotism with militarism? Since when did killing 30 million people (many civilians in unjust or wars completely fabricated and based on lies) since World War 2 by the US military become the basis of being patriotic?

    I didn’t say any of that.

    I said that “I can protest too” not because of the disrespect being shown, but because I’m pissed at the NFL for being completely leaderless with that overpaid clown Roger Goodell in charge. Public relations is atrocious.

    You didn’t read my post. And by the way I happen to hate war.

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