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  • Jshiffy

    Important: this is not an attack on Kyle, I’ve listened to some interviews with him and follow him on twitter and he seems like a cool guy, this is simply a question.

    That being said, has anybody had experience with Kyle scooping your NHL h2h this year? I feel like he has scooped exactly 1 of my $1 h2h before i can even reload the page no matter what time I create the game. Is it possible he is using a script or software?

  • mrchuffy

    @britdevine said...

    Nice one Gabey, hopefully there is some clarification in the morning.

    The sites need to clear the air, be transparent, and get all this nonsense of scripting out of here.

    If you think the NY Attorney General, or government regulation is going to allow this, you are insane, so just get it over with and ban scripting already.

    Couldn’t agree more, scripts are only going to bring more scrutiny to the industry.

  • mannmicj

    Get rid of the damn scripts already or tell people about them on your next Ad so everyone knows what they are up against. Ed Norton can tell you how fun it would be to have your contest scooped up in milliseconds after listing. “You to can be gobbled up by a shark day after day.”

    Signup now, win nothing.

    I stopped posting H2Hs on FD. It almost forces the little guy to carefully select his opponents or just avoid the obvious sharks. The FD H2H lobby is broken with scripts and not being able to limit folks to one of your H2Hs. For the love of God, at least let people setup H2Hs so you only have to play each person once.

    Think about it. If someone was allowed to use a “tool” to scoop up one H2H from each one listed in the lobby, isn’t that person being granted an option that the others don’t have. That person is able to play each person only once with out having to try and do it manually. I can’t ensure that in anyway shape or form right now. Not to mention if they can input parameters to only select certain folks with lower win totals. So it’s not just about scooping in milliseconds, it’s about that person having ultimate diversification in H2Hs in a convenient way, while the regular folks do have that option.

    Now that I think about it, that probably upsets me more.

  • bowens1984

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    If Kyle asked and Fanduel allowed this then thats pretty much all on the site not on Kyle. Its baffling to me that these sites dont understand the perception of allowing these things and how bad it looks.

  • DavidK44

    So if I am to understand this correctly, a script that says “Play any H2H game posted EXCEPT for games posted by the following 50 people” or “except for anyone with more than 200 wins” techincally would be okay by Fanduel because instead of being a script to select specific opponents, as explictly not allowed by their rules, it would be a script to select anyone BUT specific opponents, and thus okay?

    Seems pretty ridiculous. There are certainly many areas where the difference between “everything is allowed except these few” and “only these few are allowed” – legislation for a city/state/country, for example, but in regards to scooping DFS heads-up games, whether the script targets specific players or targets anyone BUT specific players doesn’t change the reasons why we don’t want automated scripts in regards to head to head contests – both are equally problematic.

  • madmanjayWV

    I don’t understand what you guys don’t get?

    RAKE me..my friend!

  • chronoxiong

    Wasn’t condia using scripts the entire time for the last few years? I remember whenever a new game got posted up back then, he was the first person entered in. I was like, he can’t be on the computer all day doing this. I’m kinda against the idea of scripts by the way. I do see the good side in it by getting in as many games as you can, but then the bad side is what this thread is about.

  • madmanjayWV

    @DavidK44 said...

    So if I am to understand this correctly, a script that says “Play any H2H game posted EXCEPT for games posted by the following 50 people” or “except for anyone with more than 200 wins” techincally would be okay by Fanduel because instead of being a script to select specific opponents, as explictly not allowed by their rules, it would be a script to select anyone BUT specific opponents, and thus okay?

    Seems pretty ridiculous. There are certainly many areas where the difference between “everything is allowed except these few” and “only these few are allowed” – legislation for a city/state/country, for example, but in regards to scooping DFS heads-up games, whether the script targets specific players or targets anyone BUT specific players doesn’t change the reasons why we don’t want automated scripts in regards to head to head contests – both are equally problematic.

    U R MISSING THE BIGGER POINT ^^

    on DK it’s all GOOD — every chimp for himself —

    on FD — u must 1st have “EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION

  • louiescards

    DK KoTH winner

    Well it appears they have deactivated/suspended his account for now.

    https://www.fanduel.com/users/kcannon/NotLive

    Not sure if this is while they look into things or a sign of wrong doing. I will wait to see if FD is willing to let us know what the situation is.

  • Putz

    @britdevine said...

    Nice one Gabey, hopefully there is some clarification in the morning.

    The sites need to clear the air, be transparent, and get all this nonsense of scripting out of here.

    If you think the NY Attorney General, or government regulation is going to allow this, you are insane, so just get it over with and ban scripting already.

    In my opinion, they will try to get every last $$ out of this while they can before they are forced to change, either by an external entity of perception derived from and quickly propagated by the media. Sites have not shown otherwise except when taken to task by conspiracy theorists. Policing themselves would also entail the CSV file after contest lock on FD. DK does this, so kudos.

  • Putz

    @bowens1984 said...

    If Kyle asked and Fanduel allowed this then thats pretty much all on the site not on Kyle. Its baffling to me that these sites dont understand the perception of allowing these things and how bad it looks.

    They were explained this here on RG and other places this summer when it all came out and forced them to not do something.

  • Putz

    I would be interested to hear from someone about the process for submitting a script to Fanduel. If the following assumption was true, that KC sent in the script and Fanduel approved, what other document was required? A brief description of the design and functionality?

    How long did a tech person review and test it before approving? Did they just review the document to look for self-admitted features that would violate TOS, taking the person’s word for it? If his account was locked by FD, then did he not self-admit and sneak one by?

    If someone submitted a script, like RayofHope who seems transparent, maybe they could chime in on this process. We are all interested.

  • madmanjayWV

    I’m very interested indeed ^

    Why now is his FD account gone POOF? Obviously, he had their “EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION”…maybe he just quit playing DFS on FD all of a sudden? I don’t get it, whatsoever.

    I can tell you from what “I know” – the people I’ve been in contact with who have asked about scripts and getting “EWP” from FD said the ?s are deep/numerous to put it in layman’s terms…..

    P.S. – Maybe Dan can get Justine Sacco for a podcast and clear this up by the first of the week.

  • depalma13

    If someone can submit a script and get approval, what is to stop that person, once approved, from modifying that script?

  • Ryazan

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    What is the difference between posting h2h games as opposed to scooping up the ones you want? Why even post them? Can’t sharks scoop them up anyway, just slower than a script would do? I’ve been playing for 2 years and not once have I posted a h2h because I like to be in control of who I play at all times.

    The fact that this cannon guy uses scripts to scoop up contests, while it does seem to break fanduels TOS, shouldn’t affect your success in dfs one bit. So it’s not something that all of you really need to worry about hurting your chances of winning big, because there are at least 10’other better ways to play and win sucessfully if you stop posting h2hs for others to scoop up.

  • Putz

    @Ryazan said...

    What is the difference between posting h2h games as opposed to scooping up the ones you want? Why even post them? Can’t sharks scoop them up anyway, just slower than a script would do? I’ve been playing for 2 years and not once have I posted a h2h because I like to be in control of who I play at all times.

    The fact that this cannon guy uses scripts to scoop up contests, while it does seem to break fanduels TOS, shouldn’t affect your success in dfs one bit. So it’s not something that all of you really need to worry about hurting your chances of winning big, because there are at least 10’other better ways to play and win sucessfully if you stop posting h2hs for others to scoop up.

    You don’t get it, and most on here have told you this. If he is not at his computer and can can scooped perceived less experienced player before anyone else, not allowing you to enter a perceived +EV lineup, is this not an advantage and doesn’t this impact your ROI?

  • sethayates

    @Ryazan said...

    What is the difference between posting h2h games as opposed to scooping up the ones you want? Why even post them? Can’t sharks scoop them up anyway, just slower than a script would do? I’ve been playing for 2 years and not once have I posted a h2h because I like to be in control of who I play at all times.

    The fact that this cannon guy uses scripts to scoop up contests, while it does seem to break fanduels TOS, shouldn’t affect your success in dfs one bit. So it’s not something that all of you really need to worry about hurting your chances of winning big, because there are at least 10’other better ways to play and win sucessfully if you stop posting h2hs for others to scoop up.

  • mmzapp

    @Putz said...

    You don’t get it, and most on here have told you this. If he is not at his computer and can can scooped perceived less experienced player before anyone else, not allowing you to enter a perceived +EV lineup, is this not an advantage and doesn’t this impact your ROI?

    This x 1000. Most people understand why this is unfair to the person being scooped, but it seems like fewer understand the other ramification- it is less +EV contests for OTHERS to scoop the legit way.

  • Ryazan

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      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

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    @Putz said...

    You don’t get it, and most on here have told you this. If he is not at his computer and can can scooped perceived less experienced player before anyone else, not allowing you to enter a perceived +EV lineup, is this not an advantage and doesn’t this impact your ROI?

    you’re going to flip out right now when I tell you what I am about to tell you.

    I JUST GOT IT

    NOW i see the big problem here, damn sorry it took me so long but that that last post of yours connected the dots.

    It’s not the new guy whos games are scooped up that is getting hurt over this, it is instead me, and you, and anyone else who can play the new guy and beat them, and our chance is taken away instantly when a script is used to pick up a new posted H2H in seconds.

    I don’t go hunting for new users putting up H2H games so this doesn’t affect me, but I can see that those who do do it would have a big problem with it. However I will say that if you are trying to get rich and build up your ROI off one $1 h2h games, then you’re doing it wrong anyway. Its just a buck lol

  • Putz

    @Ryazan said...

    However I will say that if you are trying to get rich and build up your ROI off one $1 h2h games, then you’re doing it wrong anyway. Its just a buck lol

    I’m a middle ecosystem player, so it applies to $5, $10, and $25 contests too.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    The standard response from site reps regarding scripting is “it’s something we allow to make things easier for the player,” just shows the disconnect they have between themselves and 90% of their customer base.

  • old_T

    • 2016 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @tgowen said...

    The standard response from site reps regarding scripting is “it’s something we allow to make things easier for the player,” just shows the disconnect they have between themselves and 90% of their customer base.

    That’s completely disingenuous and insulting on the part of FD to give that answer and expect people to think it’s a legitimate response and not a canned misdirect that asininely attempts to play their greed, incompetence, lack of foresight, and pandering to high volume players off like it’s this nice thing that all players want allowed. Absolutely insulting.

  • idontluvdemhos

    @louiescards said...

    Well it appears they have deactivated/suspended his account for now.

    https://www.fanduel.com/users/kcannon/NotLive

    Not sure if this is while they look into things or a sign of wrong doing. I will wait to see if FD is willing to let us know what the situation is.

    he did a good job of trying to victim blame. glad to see the sites doing something about this. Now if they can only keep him and his buddies from playing the same lineups in single entry 50/50s…

  • mannmicj

    If his account is temporarily suspended, then FD is doing their due diligence to see what is really is going on. I respect that and we can’t ask for anything more at this time. IMO.

  • hotpants

    They did nothing until it became an issue on these forums. Again…

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Now that we see his account is suspended. It’s time for FD to really dig into what he was doing.

    If he has been taking $1 and $2 new player games for a significant time (looks like he has by some postings in here) using the script, It’s time for the sites to take those funds back that he won and distribute them back to the players he poached.

    And while your at it FD, stop waiting until this becomes an issue on RG to look into guys, and start actively monitoring this yourself.

    I urge any player that sees their games being taken near instantly by any account, to immediately bring it up on the forums, as that is currently the only way an issue seems to get resolved at this time.

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