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  • Jshiffy

    Important: this is not an attack on Kyle, I’ve listened to some interviews with him and follow him on twitter and he seems like a cool guy, this is simply a question.

    That being said, has anybody had experience with Kyle scooping your NHL h2h this year? I feel like he has scooped exactly 1 of my $1 h2h before i can even reload the page no matter what time I create the game. Is it possible he is using a script or software?

  • depalma13

    @btwice80 said...

    I would absolutely love it if every single 3-man I played both my opponents had the same lineup.

    Of course you would. If you are an elite player it you can overcome it. if you are an average or slightly better than average player, you will go broke.

  • btwice80

    @depalma13 said...

    Of course you would. If you are an elite player it you can overcome it. if you are an average or slightly better than average player, you will go broke.

    Overcome it? I don’t think you’ve thought this all the way through. The break-even win % for 3-player leagues is 37%. A slightly better than average player would beat even an ‘elite’ lineup 40% of the time.

  • depalma13

    @btwice80 said...

    Overcome it? I don’t think you’ve thought this all the way through. The break-even win % for 3-player leagues is 37%. Even a slightly better than average player would beat even an ‘elite’ lineup 40% of the time or more.

    So you expect me to beat you and btwice80-2 40 times for every 100 games we play?

  • sethayates

    @depalma13 said...

    You ever play in a three man league and your two opponents have the exact same lineup?

    Where can I find these H2H triple-ups? I’d like to try it out and see how cheated I feel.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @depalma13 said...

    So you expect me to beat you and btwice80-2 40 times for every 100 games we play?

    I hate to pile on here, but as Btwice mentioned, you haven’t thought it through. It’s beyond idiotic for a team to enter identical lineups in a 3 man league. Btwice is saying that regardless of the skill level of your opponent, a competent player will almost certainly still win at least 40% of the time. And that would be +EV in the example you’ve referenced.

  • depalma13

    @sethayates said...

    Where can I find these H2H triple-ups? I’d like to try it out and see how cheated I feel.

    Fanduel

  • btwice80

    @depalma13 said...

    So you expect me to beat you and btwice80-2 40 times for every 100 games we play?

    Not a doubt in my mind you would beat me 40% of the time.

  • depalma13

    Well, than I guess am wrong.

  • Joc31

    man i know some people are not the brightest bulb. but wow.

  • semobb1993

    @Ryazan said...

    You can only come in 1st in a 3 man league right?

    Not necessarily… I can’t speak for DK, but on FD there are also 3-man “loser pays” leagues where 2nd place is a push. This is where 2 players colluding and entering the same lineup would be a big advantage.

    For example, take a $100 3-man loser pays with payouts of $170/$100/$0. Assuming 10% rake, if I entered that lineup in a $100 H2H I’m going to profit $80 if I win. In the 3 man league referenced above with my two opponents having an identical lineup, (which basically becomes an H2H for me,) my profit will only be $70.

  • btwice80

    @semobb1993 said...

    Not necessarily… I can’t speak for DK, but on FD there are also 3-man “loser pays” leagues where 2nd place is a push. This is where 2 players colluding and entering the same lineup would be a big advantage.

    For example, take a $100 3-man loser pays with payouts of $170/$100/$0. Assuming 10% rake, if I entered that lineup in a $100 H2H I’m going to profit $80 if I win. In the 3 man league referenced above with my two opponents having an identical lineup, (which basically becomes an H2H for me,) my profit will only be $70.

    And the profit for them is going to be $35. How is that an advantage for them?

    In those leagues with the given scenario, I would say everybody loses to the rake in the long run, but the guy with his own lineup is still better off than the duplicate lineups.

    edit: whoops, I forgot to account for the second place prize of $100 that the duplicates would split. It’s still an everybody loses situation though. They are either profiting $35 or losing $50. But those are user created leagues and I never play them anyway.

  • Ryazan

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    @Ryazan said...

    so in other words, if you beat 1 lineup, you will triple your buy in instead of doubling it…..sounds like a good deal actually. You can only come in 1st in a 3 man league right? So actually, your two opponents have assured themselves that neither of them will win since if they beat you, they will just be tied for 1st, which will give them back slightly less than their buy in.

    Depalma – what about my explanation do you not understand? You are essentially playing a 50/50 but will be getting paid out as if it’s almost a triple up, because 2 people stupidly shared their lineups with each other.

  • srolleDFS

    @Ryazan said...

    Depalma – what about my explanation do you not understand? You are essentially playing a 50/50 but will be getting paid out as if it’s almost a triple up, because 2 people stupidly shared their lineups with each other.

    chillllllllll

  • Ryazan

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    @srolleDFS said...

    chillllllllll

    im fine, i just wanted to make sure Depalma saw what I said, because he kept carrying on after my post like he still didn’t know what’s going on.

  • Putz

    @hbbomaha said...

    I feel like RG results feed is more about data integrity and 3rd party data controls more so than anything else. I could be off base, but I imagine that to be more a temporary situation.

    That said, I agree. It was pressed during DB’s interview with Robbins and it was basically ballyhooed as unimportant and simplified the monotonous.

    I start looking at StarsDraft more by the day.

    I think it is systemic, but I think it’s systemic as a result of overgrowth. Now they closed a capital round at a certain valuation, and we’re able to show revenue growth rapidity, which factors into the Cap of Earnings. In anyway discouraging the pace of revenue growth, let alone the actual revenue could lead to a down round. Down rounds kill momentum which kills IPO chances.

    If they took an experienced and smart route it would be to slow down, fix the problems, burn off bad revenue sources, take a down growth and a down round if need be(although venture debt is probably the way to go) and grow back healthy and sustainably.

    This is a classic business problem. “We don’t want to stop selling to x because they give us so much revenue.” When x is killing your working cap, or jeopardizing your entire model, it’s best to cut ties and find better ways to go.

    Good analysis.

  • bigticket

    Noticed Kcannon has started slumming it up in the NHL quarter arcade maxing out some nights with 200 entries. LOL have this guy no shame? All for what that elusive $100 first place prize which is a 1/3 of his buyin into the $300 NHL GPP?! These quarter tourneys are already filling up hours before contest lock and no doubt hes shutting out some new players or micro stake guys with his massive entries. Of course, Draftkings could also help this solution by doubling the size of these but thats another story as they neglect to respond to how fast some NHL contest fill up daily.

  • madmanjayWV

    They don’t care about the small guy, never have.

  • Mmps_Mmps

  • Mmps_Mmps

    @sethayates said...

    Where can I find these H2H triple-ups? I’d like to try it out and see how cheated I feel.

    How did this get ignored? He’s wasting gold on you guys.

    …I miss the days when posts about Condia were the longest threads. Hiyo!

    Anyway, how many different ways can people complain about a thing that they love doing? Haven’t gone through and done the math, but what’s more likely to have a higher % this week; Gurley’s 50/50 ownership or the ratio dfs players complaining about losing a dollar after stacking the Thursday night game?

    To be fair, I’m on board with most of this. And I realize most people posting on RG generally know a thing or two. Butttt pretending like a player with better skill-set can’t just spend the extra 10 seconds it takes to see how many wins you have and scoop your game up is a little wacky.

  • Lonnie20

    @bigticket said...

    Noticed Kcannon has started slumming it up in the NHL quarter arcade maxing out some nights with 200 entries. LOL have this guy no shame? All for what that elusive $100 first place prize which is a 1/3 of his buyin into the $300 NHL GPP?! These quarter tourneys are already filling up hours before contest lock and no doubt hes shutting out some new players or micro stake guys with his massive entries. Of course, Draftkings could also help this solution by doubling the size of these but thats another story as they neglect to respond to how fast some NHL contest fill up daily.

    Did anyone see Tommy G put Kcannon in his place? Tommy G is the greatest… Punked him really well publicly. The Kcannon type players are just bad for business especially now.

  • dude_abides7

    @Lonnie20 said...

    Did anyone see Tommy G put Kcannon in his place? Tommy G is the greatest… Punked him really well publicly. The Kcannon type players are just bad for business especially now.

    You have a link or source?

  • srolleDFS

    @Lonnie20 said...

    Did anyone see Tommy G put Kcannon in his place? Tommy G is the greatest… Punked him really well publicly. The Kcannon type players are just bad for business especially now.

    lol.

    if tommy g gave better advice, he might not want to sell his listeners on red herrings for why they dont win.

    the dude is telling people his picks, and then whining about the format after the fact. its so lame. i think he’s just joining the witch hunt to distract from the fact that he uses hot streaks and revenge narratives instead of actual numbers.

    (small edits)

  • CaptainKirk12

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    @Lonnie20 said...

    Did anyone see Tommy G put Kcannon in his place? Tommy G is the greatest… Punked him really well publicly. The Kcannon type players are just bad for business especially now.

    Would love to see this.

    KCannon auto scooped me via script when I first started playing MLB this season. I think he’s getting off easy, nobody seems to care. He violated the TOC for months.

  • dude_abides7

    @srolleDFS said...

    lol.

    if tommy g gave better advice, he might not want to sell his listeners on red herrings for why they dont win.

    the dude is telling people his picks, and then whining about the format after the fact. its so lame. i think he’s just joining the witch hunt to distract from the fact that he uses hot streaks and revenge narratives instead of actual numbers.

    (small edits)

    “and that’s just like…your opinion….man” – The Dude

    Maybe you just don’t like the guy because you disagree with him? Seems to be reoccurring theme with most of your posts. If someone thinks DFS has systemic issues, then they are just “whiners” and “losers” who can’t field a winning LU. That’s a stale narrative that lost its traction a long time ago.

  • eKing

    What goes around comes around… If those players are really up to no good, karma will come to collect. It’s happened recently to top players who’ve made some questionable decisions and it will happen again.

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