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  • Jshiffy

    Important: this is not an attack on Kyle, I’ve listened to some interviews with him and follow him on twitter and he seems like a cool guy, this is simply a question.

    That being said, has anybody had experience with Kyle scooping your NHL h2h this year? I feel like he has scooped exactly 1 of my $1 h2h before i can even reload the page no matter what time I create the game. Is it possible he is using a script or software?

  • stoptheinsanity

    @Cal said...

    By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree not to:

    use any robot, spider, scraper, sniping software or other automated means to access the Service for any purpose (except for RSS feed access) without our express written permission.

    Well we have somebody admitting to using scripts to snipe right here in this thread. And saying FD approved of it.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @stoptheinsanity said...

    Well we have somebody admitting to using scripts to snipe right here in this thread. And saying FD approved of it.

    He never officially admitted to using scripts for the purpose of scooping h2h games. He simply stated that his script was approved by FD. However, it’s far from a stretch to assume that his scripts are used to join h2h games.

  • stoptheinsanity

    @kaetorade said...

    He never officially admitted to using scripts for the purpose of scooping h2h games. He simply stated that his script was approved by FD. However, it’s far from a stretch to assume that his scripts do, in fact, are used to join h2h games.

    Fair enough. My bad.

  • poonwhipped1

    @Cal said...

    Hey guys,

    Please do not spread misinformation. Also, do not name-call and and just be overly aggressive. Had to delete a lot of posts in this thread.

    Here’s what Fanduel says in their TOS about this. This was addressed in a post on RotoGrinders here.

    As a condition of use, you promise not to use the Services for any purpose that is unlawful or prohibited by these Terms, or any other purpose not reasonably intended by FanDuel. By way of example, and not as a limitation, you agree not to:

    use any robot, spider, scraper, sniping software or other automated means to access the Service for any purpose (except for RSS feed access) without our express written permission. Additionally, you agree that you will not: (1) take any action that imposes, or may impose in our sole discretion an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure; (2) interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Service or any activities conducted on the Service; or (3) bypass any measures we may use to prevent or restrict access to the Service;

    That is fine and dandy CAL..but where is the LIST…that would resolve a lot of this. Give out the list of those accounts that can USE it as well as those that were NOT given permission. You know as well as I do BOTH sites FAILED to police their own ToS in this regard and then changed it to benefit who?

    A list would end a lot of WITCH hunts.

  • jray511

    This is a simple fix, just ban scripting.

  • Cal

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    @poonwhipped1 said...

    That is fine and dandy CAL..but where is the LIST…that would resolve a lot of this. Give out the list of those accounts that can USE it as well as those that were NOT given permission. You know as well as I do BOTH sites FAILED to police their own ToS in this regard and then changed it to benefit who?

    A list would end a lot of WITCH hunts.

    I agree with that – posting a public list of what has been approved.

  • Putz

    @kaetorade said...

    He never officially admitted to using scripts for the purpose of scooping h2h games. He simply stated that his script was approved by FD. However, it’s far from a stretch to assume that his scripts are used to join h2h games.

    No, but he responded to the questions about his use of scripts and scooping stating he was using a tool approved by FanDuel, Tool = script? Not sure what other activity this would be a response to in this thread.

  • ComicFx

    @jray511 said...

    This is a simple fix, just ban scripting.

    They can’t detect it. Nothing but a user automated task my friend, and I didn’t automate it, prove it otherwise. Can’t win this war unfortunately, mass entry, mass update/swap may be detectable, but sniping your H2H? Why I was just watching the lobby all day your honor, it is my full time job after all…

  • Putz

    @ComicFx said...

    They can’t detect it. Nothing but a user automated task my friend, and I didn’t automate it, prove it otherwise. Can’t win this war unfortunately, mass entry, mass update/swap may be detectable, but sniping your H2H? Why I was just watching the lobby all day your honor, it is my full time job after all…

    They can detect it if they tried. There are heuristics and other detection mechanisms IT security has been using to detect certain bot activity that can be applied here. Search google scholar for related papers on this topic.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @Putz said...

    No, but he responded to the questions about his use of scripts and scooping stating he was using a tool approved by FanDuel, Tool = script? Not sure what other activity this would be a response to in this thread.

    I was just being technical. To you and I, as well as most people reading this thread, it’s fairly obvious that he uses his script to pick up h2h games. However, he’s yet to acknowledge that his script is used to pick up h2h games. Instead, we were informed that his script was approved. Basically, implied rather than expressed.

  • sixbits

    @britdevine said...

    The fact that FD let you snipe H2H games , even just one per player, without physically clicking the mouse, having to be at the computer, or letting anyone else have a chance to play the game thats taken because the guys doing are running software to insta snipe games is completely asinine.

    This is the next scandal waiting to happen.

    Are the sites really this ignorant and greedy to allow this right now?

    This^

    I mean this is absolutely insane that they allowed this. Waaaay worse than Percentage Gate

  • sixbits

    @britdevine said...

    The fact that FD let you snipe H2H games , even just one per player, without physically clicking the mouse, having to be at the computer, or letting anyone else have a chance to play the game thats taken because the guys doing are running software to insta snipe games is completely asinine.

    This is the next scandal waiting to happen.

    Are the sites really this ignorant and greedy to allow this right now?

    .

  • ComicFx

    Calm down, they only let players with high volume who were smart enough to ask do it. No rules were………

  • Avgplayer

    Waiverwire is or was around here earlier…… It shows his last visit was today. I can just say this as someone who is very cautious concerning where I use my money I have not and will not put money in play on FD. I would love to, I really would but i am not care free. I have a mortgage i have kids so i already have a headache. I am free rolling on DraftKings as basketball was good to me so i withdrew my deposit there months ago when i became aware of scripts.

  • Putz

    @sixbits said...

    This^

    I mean this is absolutely insane that they allowed this. Waaaay worse than Percentage Gate

    Are we calling this Scriptgate II ?

  • poonwhipped1

    @Cal said...

    I agree with that – posting a public list of what has been approved.

    And those DENIED….then we can have juicy gossip as to why they were denied…

  • hustlemania83

    @britdevine said...

    The fact that FD let you snipe H2H games , even just one per player, without physically clicking the mouse, having to be at the computer, or letting anyone else have a chance to play the game thats taken because the guys doing are running software to insta snipe games is completely asinine.

    This is the next scandal waiting to happen.

    Are the sites really this ignorant and greedy to allow this right now?

    Thanks for standing up for the people Brit.
    We need more guys like you right now.

  • deactivated70850

    Forget it, question answered. Thanks.

  • brittinghamt

    Kcannon did this in mlb too. He would take a game within 5 seconds of posting, one game and only one game per day. This went on for two weeks. Funny thing is, I got above 200 wins, he no longer would insta snipe my games. Coincidence? This is by far the biggest issue that will threaten dfs. Sites cannot allow this. Especially from an account that plays thousands of dollars a day at varying levels of entry fee. Literally destroying the eco system of dfs in a manner that is unfair to the average player. You think the scrutiny of state attorney generals won’t identify this? We want to ruin this for everyone? Fanduel step up and take care of this before it’s too late.

  • CrazyGabey

    @emac said...

    But what if you didn’t have to sit in front of the computer….what if you had a program that allowed your computer to take a game from each user that met your criteria that would be cool right?

    It would also be against the current FanDuel TOS…well unless you did receive nebulous “permission” from them.

    Don’t worry, the Terms of Service are a living document.

  • CrazyGabey

    @britdevine said...

    People taking even 1 H2H via scripting, need to have accounts banned for a month minimum and funds seized after a scond warning.

    Not hard to put a check in your database that throws you all the guys taking H2H’s after they are posted under X seconds over and over,

    Every single script needs to be banned, its the next big issue. You can write checks into the system to monitor just about anything, time to start doing it FD and DK

    YES YES YES

  • petteytheft89

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    Pretty disappointed since KcCannon was complaining to FD about people scooping his games

  • emac

    Silly question, if FanDuel removed player wins in the various sports that are displayed on player profiles….wouldn’t that eliminate the “nefarious” scripting issues that may or may not be plaguing their site?

    At least until a matchup limiter is implemented?

  • hendry

    you could still do it by name. its not that hard to build a list of names to not snipe. i have color coded names on dk and its not that hard to maintain.

  • rayofhope

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    Hey kyle hook that script up? Getting carpal tunnel from all these Assani games.

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