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  • killab2482

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    Hey RG Members, I’ve decided to dip my toes in the DFS coaching arena. I’ve missed the days of helping students crush NL Hold’em back in the day. Coaching was essential for me to improve my overall poker game and I would not have reached the levels I did without some grooming/tutorship from fellow pros. I always want to be a student of the game in certain aspects(constant need to improve/learn) and teaching the game to others. Coaching has helped me stay hungry and refocus my attention to the process(long term) and not the results (short term).

    With that said, I have to be one of the first ever players to find the great game of DFS back when I was full time poker grinder. I joined a site called Instant Fantasy Sports in 2007: http://instantfantasysports.blogspot.com/. I have over 15 million invested in games since my software/computer/sites started tracking results in 2012. With my background as a poker player, I understood the nuances of Bankroll management, risk, variance and game theory that has helped me be super profitable in this industry. I’m excited to unlock some new concepts to future students or plug up certain leaks(known or unknown) that you have in your overall game. Each student has their own strengths and weaknesses and I will construct my teaching around that specific individual.

    In this dfs age of higher rake (18%, c’mon man!), it’s not as easy to profit. Lets plug your holes and make you the best dfs version of you. Here’s a link to view a more in depth coaching profile outline: https://rotogrinders.com/articles/killab2482-s-coaching-profile-2357554. Contact me via twitter: @killab2482 or through dm on rotogrinders (killab2482) and we can set up Skype or Google hangout schedule that works for the both of us!

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  • killab2482

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    @Njsum1 said...

    I’m personally not for or against DFS coaching. If It helps someone make or save an amount above the cost of the lessons, or if they enjoy the time spent with the coach, or enjoy learning a new process, then it’s worth it, simple as that.

    However, you’ve literally played 2 maybe 3 slates under Brett’s tutelage. The testimonials are almost laughable considering the minuscule sample size. I’d love to hear how you’ve done at seasons end though. Good luck

    This is very true. It’s such a small sample size of slates that results really don’t matter as of now. What does matter, is that I’ve optimized his research process, taught him how to make his own projections, and made him confident that he now has an advantage over the field even when he has 90 minutes to research each day.

  • jkidd1084

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

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    Have known Brett for many years (shared houses, former poker pro as well, dfs dabbler, etc) and feel compelled to chime in here…

    1. You were never a 25-50 “reg”
    2. You were never paid $500/hr for coaching (granted, maybe one person did and it’s not a complete lie, but it was surely not sustained)
    3. Your only real volume in DFS was when you talked MY friend(s) into backing you for a 1-2 year stretch, which ended in a net loss and them quitting you.
    4. $250/hr is a complete fleecing
    5. Please provide results showing a respectable long term ROI on DK/FD (I know you won’t because it’s either embarrassingly low or you can’t beat the rake) Beating small games on Yahoo & Fantasy Draft doesn’t count.
    6. Maybe I’m dead wrong and you crush, but I would put a lot of money on this being a last ditch effort to avoid going busto

    On a positive note, he is a super nitty dude that seems to put in the effort/work. If you think you’re getting some elite mind to teach you to crush the game, please do not be fooled. If you’re cool with paying $250/hr to learn the basics of what tools/sites to use for research and a super basic daily process, go for it. He’s likely going to tell you to use FantasyLabs and a short list of sites I could provide in 15 seconds.

    Truth hurts. Burn less bridges. Best of luck

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  • DSofM

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    @Footbalplaya68 said...

    I’ll say that I bought in for $500 this football season and turned it into $32k strictly by grinding cash games, didn’t win a single GPP. If you have a good process, then the $$ will follow. As I stated above, I’m a good NFL player and a new NBA player. Turned to Brett to help me become a good NBA DFS player and so far it’s been good.

    In order for this to be anywhere nearly remotely believable you must have the worst BRM in the history of cash games combined with the hottest run in the history of cash games.

  • Footbalplaya68

    JoeFlacco, happy to show you my DFS Anallyzer provided from this very site. I know I got super lucky, I’m not denying that. I was a noob at the beginning of the season and had no idea about bankroll management and was essentially going all in and doubling up every week. Super good run, luckily for me when the variance hit, I had learned about bankroll management and was being much smarter with how much I bet.

  • KindGuy

    @seth1374 said...

    RG cannot delete a post that they think is false that they feel defames KillaB. While not deleting posts that anyone with a 5th grade education knows is false…..$500 to 32K yea I am going to take a pass on that. All I ask for is consistency.

    You should’ve quoted my post since they deleted it!

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  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I do not understand the need for people to always come into threads like this and say “This is overpriced” “Why would anyone pay for this?” “There is no value for small time grinders” “You aren’t even ranked in the top 100 at RG.” What are you trying to accomplish? Are you angry that someone is providing coaching and seemingly trying to make other players better? Are you mad that someone is making a living at DFS? Are you trying to get him to lower the cost of the package just for you?

    If you are interested in coaching and learning from someone who has been around this industry for a long time, reach out to KillaB. If you are not interested or do not see the value, simply click off this thread and move on. Someone is worth whatever they feel their time is worth and what someone is willing to pay.

  • NTCNDelight

    I think they are worried about people being deceived and duped and see nothing wrong with trying to inform the customer of all sides of something not just the good, bad, overhyped, etc.

  • tomac

    @killab2482 said...

    Price is so arbitrary. No one truly knows someone’s actual worth unless we had all the receipts and sat in the coaching. But I’d say my nba coaching is worth a lot more than $150/hr

    I don’t think the price is nearly as arbitrary as you think. A good start would be providing your amount won divided by the numbers of hours you put into research to win that money. Seems like a good starting point, at which time you could then tack on an arbitrary coaching fee since you would be devoting that time to helping someone else win.

    If I signed up at a $150/hr fee, I would assume the person coaching me has established a win rate of at least $100/hr researched. I know you are a top cash player, I just think there are so many self-inflicted perceptions this industry has brought upon itself that the initial inclination is to doubt legitimacy.

    Same goes for products offered in the marketplace. Only way to really show people how legitimate a product is would be to provide win data over an extended period of time.

  • ags_carnage

    No Offense the only person that is worth $500/hr is Dan Strafford

  • drewcrawford03

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    @tomac said...

    I just think there are so many self-inflicted perceptions this industry has brought upon itself that the initial inclination is to doubt legitimacy.

    This…

    C’mon guys, you have to be at least AWARE of the perception many have of the “RG Boys”. I’m not saying I agree with it or disagree with it, but the “good ol’ boys network”, “promote your own”, and “mislead the public to maximize your image” sentiments are out there and they are strong.

    They may be totally misguided sentiments, but at least have some feel in knowing that they exist. Anyone saying $500/hr is going to be completely laughed at because that is ludicrous. Especially someone who advocated NOT playing 2 QBs in a super-flex format on the Super Bowl slate for FD.

  • drewcrawford03

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    @drewcrawford03 said...

    “RG Boys”

    I will say that in regards to the “RG Boys” most are genuine, trust-worthy, and plain awesome. I’m sure we all have our favorites and guys we don’t like as much. But there are a few who ruin the reputation of the company in the public’s eye.

  • jkidd1084

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

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    @tomac said...

    Only way to really show people how legitimate a product is would be to provide win data over an extended period of time.

    Exactly. I have tried posting multiple times stating this, as well as personal inside knowledge of Brett and his dealings. As drew said above, the “boys” insist on censoring my very legitimate concerns with Bretts offer and refuse to lock the thread until it is looked into. I’m sure this will disappear as well, but if anyone ends up regretting the decision to give him their money, know that your ability to do due diligence was compromised because of site admins censoring me. I have firsthand knowledge of his knack for embellishments. I was told it’s “best handled offsite”. Don’t think so… You all have a right to know.

    I’m not sure on consumer protection law, but collusion that leads to the deception of your own customers seems like, at best, murky waters for a company to wade. Anyone that wants to message me for details is more than welcome. I would gladly provide proof of said censorship, as well as the concerns I have with Brett.

    FWIW, apparently they are going to put my original message back on here to have him address all of my points, but who knows.

  • Ross
    @jkidd1084 said...

    Exactly. I have tried posting multiple times stating this, as well as personal inside knowledge of Brett and his dealings. As drew said above, the “boys” insist on censoring my very legitimate concerns with Bretts offer and refuse to lock the thread until it is looked into. I’m sure this will disappear as well, but if anyone ends up regretting the decision to give him their money, know that your ability to do due diligence was compromised because of site admins censoring me. I have firsthand knowledge of his knack for embellishments. I was told it’s “best handled offsite”. Don’t think so… You all have a right to know.

    I’m not sure on consumer protection law, but collusion that leads to the deception of your own customers seems like, at best, murky waters for a company to wade. Anyone that wants to message me for details is more than welcome. I would gladly provide proof of said censorship, as well as the concerns I have with Brett.

    FWIW, apparently they are going to put my original message back on here to have him address all of my points, but who knows.

    I will try and clarify some of these things.

    The problem with your post (that I see) is it came across as accusations with nothing to back them up. For example single lines saying “$250 is a complete fleecing” with no explanation of why you feel that proves nothing.

    If you have information you feel you should post about Brett’s coaching or your history with him feel free to do so, but we cant let someone come in and start bashing him with no explanation behind their points. Allowing things like that to be posted with the expectation of Brett having to disprove them is unfair and will do no good.

    RotoGrinders created this coaching program to give coaches a platform to list their services. We are not partnered with the coaches listed and do not process any transactions for these services. We simply give coaches a place to list their services. They set their own prices and organize the sessions with the customers who reach out to them for coaching. We do not know how many customers purchase their services and it does not affect anything on our end. We only supply the platform for them to list their coaching ad.
    We explain this directly on the coaching page here: https://rotogrinders.com/coaching

    We are in no way asking you not to post whatever you have to say. All we are asking is that you back up what you are saying with more details. Just posting accusations will do not good and only derails the thread. Feel free to dm me if you have any questions or if you need me to send you your original post if you would like to edit and repost it.

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  • ags_carnage

    How do i get my profile in the directory?

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  • zigger77

    @ags_carnage said...

    No Offense the only person that is worth $500/hr is Dan Strafford

  • zigger77

    @tomac said...

    I don’t think the price is nearly as arbitrary as you think. A good start would be providing your amount won divided by the numbers of hours you put into research to win that money. Seems like a good starting point, at which time you could then tack on an arbitrary coaching fee since you would be devoting that time to helping someone else win.

    If I signed up at a $150/hr fee, I would assume the person coaching me has established a win rate of at least $100/hr researched. I know you are a top cash player, I just think there are so many self-inflicted perceptions this industry has brought upon itself that the initial inclination is to doubt legitimacy.

    Same goes for products offered in the marketplace. Only way to really show people how legitimate a product is would be to provide win data over an extended period of time.

    You can’t quantify that. Some people play 25k and night others play 500 a night. It’s all about how much you play.

  • jkidd1084

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    @Ross said...

    We are in no way asking you not to post whatever you have to say. All we are asking is that you back up what you are saying with more details. Just posting accusations will do not good and only derails the thread. Feel free to dm me if you have any questions or if you need me to send you your original post if you would like to edit and repost it.

    All these rules, I don’t really know what you’ll allow me to say.

    What I do know, is that you removed a post stating my background. The fact that I was involved in his original operation and know that they lost money. The fact that 95% of his lifetime volume came from that losing operation (before rake had gone up and games had gotten much tougher, no less) and that it is bonkers to not only be asking for 250/hr for coaching from a break even player at best, but to attempt to deceive the users of this site by claiming things that are untrue in an attempt to gain credibility.

    Like I said in the deleted post, he was never a 25-50 “reg” and I would be shocked if more than one person has ever paid him $500/hr an hour for coaching. Can I prove these things? Of course not. Have I know him for nearly ten years and feel that my speculation should be more than welcomed in a thread that is offering services for obscene prices? Yes.

    You say I need to explain why it’s a fleecing and that I can’t just say so. Why not? Because your little brotherhood only cares about everyone making their money off the RG subscriber base? Forgive me for trying to shed light on a bad situation that I feel the users deserve to see.

    Let’s see 1099s from DK and FD for the past few years that justify $250/hr. I know that it’s a marketplace and if someone wants to overpay, so be it. But at the same time, can we at least have a little transparency? And even more importantly, can we have some honesty and leave out the embellishing to mislead people into thinking you’re some super sharp mind that crushes high stakes regardless of game? It’s simply untrue, and THAT is my point.

  • TnRiddles

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    I dont get why anyone feels they need to comment on this…The guy offered a service….ppl will either buy it or they wont…if they have Q’s they should contact him directly. I mean , we dont demand that retailers post their buying costs right on the price tag….we buy it if we need it or think its worth it. If we think it costs more than its worth we just simply pass on it

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  • zigger77

    @jkidd1084 said...

    All these rules, I don’t really know what you’ll allow me to say.

    What I do know, is that you removed a post stating my background. The fact that I was involved in his original operation and know that they lost money. The fact that 95% of his lifetime volume came from that losing operation (before rake had gone up and games had gotten much tougher, no less) and that it is bonkers to not only be asking for 250/hr for coaching from a break even player at best, but to attempt to deceive the users of this site by claiming things that are untrue in an attempt to gain credibility.

    Like I said in the deleted post, he was never a 25-50 “reg” and I would be shocked if more than one person has ever paid him $500/hr an hour for coaching. Can I prove these things? Of course not. Have I know him for nearly ten years and feel that my speculation should be more than welcomed in a thread that is offering services for obscene prices? Yes.

    You say I need to explain why it’s a fleecing and that I can’t just say so. Why not? Because your little brotherhood only cares about everyone making their money off the RG subscriber base? Forgive me for trying to shed light on a bad situation that I feel the users deserve to see.

    Let’s see 1099s from DK and FD for the past few years that justify $250/hr. I know that it’s a marketplace and if someone wants to overpay, so be it. But at the same time, can we at least have a little transparency? And even more importantly, can we have some honesty and leave out the embellishing to mislead people into thinking you’re some super sharp mind that crushes high stakes regardless of game? It’s simply untrue, and THAT is my point.

    Showing 1099s? We know nobody is gonna do that. It’s private shit. Making a decent chunk of $ in dfs doesn’t make you a great player. Consistency is what makes you a great player. Say if you won the milly maker or a big big tourney it doesn’t mean your “good” it just means you got a little lucky with some skill. It’s hard to prove consistency though.

  • ags_carnage

    you have to get a 1099 to be able to post one

  • jkidd1084

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    @TnRiddles said...

    I dont get why anyone feels they need to comment on this…The guy offered a service….ppl will either buy it or they wont…if they have Q’s they should contact him directly. I mean , we dont demand that retailers post their buying costs right on the price tag….we buy it if we need it or think its worth it. If we think it costs more than its worth we just simply pass on it

    Do they also embellish things and falsely advertise their products? Because within this thread, he has already claimed two things in an attempt to gain more credibility that are simply untrue. That is what made me go on this rant and attempt to deter people from making a horrific investment. I know he is FOS. Like I said, let’s see some 1099s from DK/FD for the past few years that justify this notion that he is some elite mind that beats high stakes. Is it not immoral to be asking money from people to teach them to beat games that you yourself can’t even beat?

  • Ross
    @jkidd1084 said...

    . But at the same time, can we at least have a little transparency? And even more importantly, can we have some honesty and leave out the embellishing to mislead people into thinking you’re some super sharp mind that crushes high stakes regardless of game? It’s simply untrue, and THAT is my point.

    Fair enough but you should also see the point coming from people who don’t know the backstory of your original post. It came across as a whole lot of speculation without many details.
    Anyway, I will get your post put back up if that is what you really want and Brett can respond to tell his side of the story if he chooses.

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  • TnRiddles

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    @jkidd1084 said...

    Do they also embellish things and falsely advertise their products? Because within this thread, he has already claimed two things in an attempt to gain more credibility that are simply untrue. That is what made me go on this rant and attempt to deter people from making a horrific investment. I know he is FOS. Like I said, let’s see some 1099s from DK/FD for the past few years that justify this notion that he is some elite mind that beats high stakes. Is it not immoral to be asking money from people to teach them to beat games that you yourself can’t even beat?

    it is up to each individual buyer to determine the worth of his product…..not some rando giving rants

  • drewcrawford03

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    @zigger77 said...

    It’s hard to prove consistency though.

    It’s not hard AT ALL to prove consistency if you are primarily a cash game player, considering to be “good” at cash games you need to be “consistent”.

  • jkidd1084

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    @zigger77 said...

    Showing 1099s? We know nobody is gonna do that. It’s private shit. Making a decent chunk of $ in dfs doesn’t make you a great player. Consistency is what makes you a great player. Say if you won the milly maker or a big big tourney it doesn’t mean your “good” it just means you got a little lucky with some skill. It’s hard to prove consistency though.

    One of his “accomplishments” for his coaching profile is that he was ranked #2 in NFL in 2013. This is the year that I was involved (only for about 6 weeks of NFL season). I know the people that were backing the operation, and I know that they were stuck big going into week 16? Maybe week 17.. I understand variance. It took a 2-300k week to get them unstuck for the year (with pretty much non-existent profit). My understanding is that year two was not going well, and they quit.

    Point is, being ranked 2nd at something means nothing when you aren’t even winning. Just because you are firing 7 figures of other peoples money doesn’t make you profitable, sharp, or good at the game. Keep in mind this is 2013. Games are much tougher now. Rake is higher now.

    Just wanting some transparency here is all, because I feel disgusted seeing this even being offered (deceptively).

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