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  • Whosiere41

    • Blogger of the Month

    When is something going to be done about people selling lineups? This is getting out of hand. I am not sure how much people are paying for these lineups, but when they take a top 5 position and there are over 20-50 different people with the exact same lineups it is pretty ridiculous. I play DFS because of the strategy and being unique in my own research and lineup construction. When people sell lineups they take all the “game play” out of roster construction and are just creating a money making machine that ultimately will hurt DFS. Sites like Fanduel and Draft Kings should take better care when creating a fair play environment. This is cheating and is blatantly obvious. If we cant stop people selling we should at least be able to warn or ban people using ready made lineups.

  • bradizpro

    • 2016 FABC Finalist

    Hey 2015 called they want their joke back

  • jimmyquinella

    • Blogger of the Month

    This has been asked and answered over 300 times, basically work around it or buy the lineup if you feel they have an edge.

    (Hint: they don’t)

  • squidkill

    @Whosiere41 said...

    When is something going to be done about people selling lineups? This is getting out of hand. I am not sure how much people are paying for these lineups, but when they take a top 5 position and there are over 20-50 different people with the exact same lineups it is pretty ridiculous. I play DFS because of the strategy and being unique in my own research and lineup construction. When people sell lineups they take all the “game play” out of roster construction and are just creating a money making machine that ultimately will hurt DFS. Sites like Fanduel and Draft Kings should take better care when creating a fair play environment. This is cheating and is blatantly obvious. If we cant stop people selling we should at least be able to warn or ban people using ready made lineups.

    lol- You only see the once in every while they are up at the top. You don’t notice 80% of the time they are the bottom-

    I have no issues with this- I am better than them at the end of the day.

  • Benf15harp

    Yo OP hit me up. I’m selling lines. πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ€ͺ

  • mike291md

    If they work so poorly as you guys indicate, why are people still buying them? I mean it’s been going on for years now….if it was bad business why would it still be a thing? Even the laziest buyer who has zero interest in putting in the work for research etc and just wants to buy a ready-made lineup…how long will he stick around if those said lineups aren’t consistently successful?

    I think they have to be pretty successful on some level. Or do people just keep blindly buying? I don’t know, I’ve never bought but putting myself into the mind of the buyer, I wouldn’t keep buying for long if the lineups weren’t making me a profit after some short time frame.

  • bigez952

    I would guess there are not that many true lineup sellers out there to make it really an issue. I see lineup trains all the time and have been a part of a few without buying lineups. I would guess more trains come out of lineup optimizers and projections. With all of the information out there and so many different tout services it is not out of this world that many people can look at the same information and land on the same lineup.

    You will never get around lineup trains unless you eliminate all touts, projection models and lineup optimizers. Every time people see a lineup train full of different users they always automatically think that is a bought lineup which I would guess isn’t the case 95% of the time.

    Most lineup sellers that live off twitter screenshots don’t last very long as they are not very good so they hope to use a few awesome screen shots a cash grab to get as many users as possible and by the time they realize they are garbage they don’t really care as they got their money and have moved on.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    I absolutely love “lineup sellers”, they are normally less than ideal lineups and if you beat one you beat them all.

  • Whosiere41

    • Blogger of the Month

    I see it most in the smaller buy ins (.25-$2) because there is less to lose if the lineups suck. Squidkill is right we don’t notice when they don’t cash, but when they do hit for 350 plus fp, then it really is noticeable. I agree the normal decent dfs player will beat them a lot of the time, but it’s the integrity of the game that bothers me. When these dfs sites turn their cheek to this how long will it be before it trickles into the higher buy ins? I’ll bet you when the people on this thread lose out to a bought lineup they will have a different take on it. It’s easy to say you don’t mind them when they aren’t affecting you directly.

  • Whosiere41

    • Blogger of the Month

    @jimmyquinella said...

    This has been asked and answered over 300 times, basically work around it or buy the lineup if you feel they have an edge.

    (Hint: they don’t)

    I wasn’t saying they have an edge, what I am saying is it undermines the integrity of DFS. I will never buy a lineup and working around it is ridiculous. There is no way to “work around it” you research, you build, and then you enter, it’s not like I can tell who has bought lineups when I enter a contest.

  • Whosiere41

    • Blogger of the Month

    @bradizpro said...

    Hey 2015 called they want their joke back

    Maybe I am slow to this, hell idk. I do know I don’t know everything there is to know about dfs, and have never claimed too. What I do know is honesty and integrity, and this is something that should be looked at. Whether it’s the first or 30th time it has been brought up it is an issue that should be addressed. I love all the cocky responses to this as if you aren’t bothered by it. And if you aren’t you should be.

  • depalma13

    The collusion of top players is a far bigger issue and nothing is done about it, so they will do nothing about some quack on twitter and a few dozen followers.

  • lpdev

    Do people really buy lineups? That seems a bit ridiculous to me. Sort of in line with the ‘get rich quick’ commercials. I’ve developed a simple plan that made me millions. Now I decided it’s worth my time to share the secret with all of you for $19.95.

  • mambaland

    its not the llineup sellers your pissed at its the pro guys who also run websites that all have same teams…its a old theory of how to dominate the board by 10 players. You basically have to beat them or play them to play…its like a 10 man version of what condia used to do

  • bozzburg

    L/U selling can be a conflict of interest if the people selling the L/U’s enter their own L/U’s in contests.

  • moped_jones

    @jimmyquinella said...

    This has been asked and answered over 300 times, basically work around it or buy the lineup if you feel they have an edge.

    (Hint: they don’t)

    Agreed. If these LU’s are so great go buy one then, lol.

    Mostly I’ve only seen these types in 50/50s, which I rarely play so it doesn’t really affect me.

  • moped_jones

    @bozzburg said...

    L/U selling can be a conflict of interest if the people selling the L/U’s enter their own L/U’s in contests.

    I disagree. These people wouldn’t be in business long if they were giving out crap LU’s to give their real LU’s a chance. It is in their best interest to sell the best LU’s possible. They make more money selling LU’s than they would hoping for a nice finish in a GPP. Also, they don’t control what contests people play so the buyers might not even be in the same contests as the seller.

  • jayzee666

    I tried a seller for about a week. When i used their lu, it sucked. When I didn’t use them, they did great. That just solidifies the uncanny power I possess!! They also didn’t give out lu until 5-15 minutes before lock and very sensitive to criticism. Overall, I would recommend them for me as I snowflake 3 to 5 players a night but would prefer earlier lu release.

  • Boneys2000

    Yea I have done it a couple of times.They aren’t any better than I am.I can give f2f money on my own.lol

  • Jvanspro

    Building your own lineup is not really that hard. I find it comical that people actually use them in 50/50 or even cash games. The lineup has to do really well almost every night in order to profit. Especially since you are now paying the sellers and rake.

  • BobbyTheBrain

    There are a lot of top β€œpro” grinders on here that share lineups. EHaf and scout are a couple. Point it out and you will be verbally shamed. Move along nothing to see here folks.

  • mambaland

    Random thoughts…1. people buy stock tips..2. racing tips…why not buy lineups or tip sheets if it helps? On the other side i contend you can pull most any kid off the street and they can make a lineup of some sort..for NFL it is absolutely easy. They make it easy so everyone will trade money and the rake keeps flowing in until neither side has any money left. I do not think sites care who makes lineups or where you get them as long as you play them.

    I am amazed people who are part owners in sits like a labs or karma or somewhere like that actually use identical lineups to their buddies and mass enter $5 contest or h2h games. I would never give them my business just based on douchery alone .

  • mike291md

    If and when DFS is finally done people will point to the stuff like lineup sharing/buying and the lack of intervention from the sites that contributed to its downfall. That and the rake going up so high. I get that rake is important but it’s been blatantly about rake, rake, rake and a complete disregard for keeping DFS clean from day 1 until now. It’s unfortunate because early policing would of gone a long way to keeping DFS fun and popular long-term, in my opinion.

    Now we’ve hit a point where DFS has turned into Gotham City with no Batman. Lineup buyers can just waltz right in every night like:

  • txdave41

    @Jvanspro said...

    Building your own lineup is not really that hard. I find it comical that people actually use them in 50/50 or even cash games. The lineup has to do really well almost every night in order to profit. Especially since you are now paying the sellers and rake.

    I gave into temptation and signed up with the big lineup seller last year. I was desperate to have just one night of decent returns and they were constantly bragging about all these huge wins in MLB. I felt completely ripped off. What they do is provide you with like 4 lineups a night. So unless you play them all, there is always a chance that one of them will succeed and that one lineup is the one that goes into the twitter bragging screenshots. Even the ones that cashed never hit very high. Maybe 350 in NBA. The only way you got a big return is if you had the money to spend hundreds on the lineup that night. For someone like me who can only afford $3-$5 a night, it was hopeless. All I did was lose my money twice as fast. Some of their lineups didn’t even crack 200. I thought I had paid for well researched lineups that had an edge and yet I was playing lineups that I could have beat myself with just 30 seconds of making a lineup. After about two weeks of their lineups bombing for me, I stopped even bothering. In the two weeks where almost all their lineups failed, they showed people having success with their free info on twitter. It

    These guys are scum. They are now charging $100 a month for a service that has no guarantee of return while creating the illusion of being on fire with twitter screenshots. At $100 a subscriber, they are making big easy money.

  • BobbyTheBrain

    @mike291md said...

    If and when DFS is finally done people will point to the stuff like lineup sharing/buying and the lack of intervention from the sites that contributed to its downfall. That and the rake going up so high. I get that rake is important but it’s been blatantly about rake, rake, rake and a complete disregard for keeping DFS clean from day 1 until now. It’s unfortunate because early policing would of gone a long way to keeping DFS fun and popular long-term, in my opinion.

    Now we’ve hit a point where DFS has turned into Gotham City with no Batman. Lineup buyers can just waltz right in every night like:

    ^^ this guys post is spot on! Great post

  • clrockny24

    @txdave41 said...

    What they do is provide you with like 4 lineups a night. So unless you play them all, there is always a chance that one of them will succeed and that one lineup is the one that goes into the twitter bragging screenshots. Even the ones that cashed never hit very high. Maybe 350 in NBA. The only way you got a big return is if you had the money to spend hundreds on the lineup that night. For someone like me who can only afford $3-$5 a night, it was hopeless. All I did was lose my money twice as fast.

    This is some good info, and puts everything into perspective. Some even cost up to and including $220, but they claim it will pay for itself in a few weeks. While that mayyy be true, you have to enter contests that cost a lot in order to pay the price of the membership off.

    I’ve had a couple providers message me asking if I’m interested. It can be tempting, but not at the prices that most charge. Some can be a little cheaper, and some do post their records to give you an idea if it’s worth it.

    I get the idea that these providers have huge bankrolls like the sharks, and try to lure in people that don’t have huge bankrolls, to help them build them, but it probably doesn’t work that way..

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