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  • MrPickles

    • 2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    Hey Guys,

    I qualified for the WFFC for the first time and am looking to see if anyone has any insight into prep for the large payout live events. There is the obvious, pick the best lineup strategy :), but outside of that I am wondering if anyone has done anything different due to the tourney structure from a strategy perspective.

    My primary experience is predominantly in large field GPP’s so I know the ownership and structure of 120 person tourney vs 120,000 person tourney plays differently. Let me know if you have any insight. In addition, if you made it is as well and would like to talk strategy over PM let me know.

  • cheatc0des

    • $1M Prize Winner

    • 2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    Congrats, I made it week 6. I plan on having the same strategy as I have always used. No use in changing something that worked to get me there in first place. Good luck and say hey if you see me there

  • cb35

    2013 FFFC Finalist, 2013 DFFC Finalist

    • 2013 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    I wrote a blog last year – I think it still holds up

    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/bit-of-advice-for-the-rookie-live-finalist-452210

  • theseige

    • 2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    One thing I did for college football that I hadn’t done before for my other finals was I did a dry run the week before, only 1 team to try and simulate the decisions you will have to make.

    I think I was much better prepared for making that tough decision than in past events

  • AVirk51

    2014 FFFC Finalist, 2014 DFBC Finalist, 2015 FD MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2014 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I agree with some of the other posters; do not overthink things and just play like how you have always played. Also, as mentioned, try going with one lineup in a smaller field and see how you do in terms of your decision-making, etc.

  • cheatc0des

    • $1M Prize Winner

    • 2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    @cb35 said...

    I wrote a blog last year – I think it still holds up

    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/bit-of-advice-for-the-rookie-live-finalist-452210

    Great read. thanks for posting this.

  • MrPickles

    • 2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    Great article on prep and mindset vs . showing up and hoping for the best. I got some good takeaways from it that will help me out. Any additional edge I can take will be worth it. Thank you.

  • MrPickles

    • 2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    Avirk and Seige. I have already starting doing this and it is a great excercise. Good to see i am heading in the right direction

  • JeffElJefe

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    • x2

      2019 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    I’ll echo what’s been said above and say that I also will prep by focusing on smaller single entry tourneys heading into the event if I have been in the habit of heavy multi entry previously.

    If you have a research routine, be sure to keep it. It’s going to be really tempting to over-research and look at new things that you hadn’t in the past — stick with what’s worked for you. Researching more in-depth may make you more confident, but in reality it probably won’t enhance your ability to build a lineup (assuming you already have a solid routine). Also, there will be distractions the night before, so make sure that you’re prepared to pass up on opportunities to have fun and socialize if you think it will impact your planned research.

    Don’t overthink it, and I’ll see you there.

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    i have to ask a logical question, and I don’t want to sound mean or negative one bit.

    But JeffElJefe…you’re in the same WFFC as the original poster, and I am in it too. Why give advice to the competition? Serious question…..he’s a big boy, he made it to the big show already anyway, why would ANYONE offer tips on literally how to beat them?

    I honestly don’t want anyone having any kind of edge over me – we are competitors at this point, i can’t believe one finalist is giving advice to another finalist in an attempt to help the other finalist do better. You realize that if he does better, it means you possibly do worse?

    I got no problem being friendly with everyone at the event, but dude, put your game face on!

  • monds6

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    • x2

      2015 DraftKings FCFWC Finalist

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSFC Finalist

    It is what this community is really about – people helping people – good luck to everyone – my advice would be don’t play McCoy over Charles but that may be a bit outdated.

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @monds6 said...

    It is what this community is really about – people helping people – good luck to everyone – my advice would be don’t play McCoy over Charles but that may be a bit outdated.

    i have helped dozens of people through their PM questions….but I disagree with helping someone who is direct competition in a 120 person tournament where so much money is up for grabs.

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @MrPickles said...

    Hey Guys,

    I qualified for the WFFC for the first time and am looking to see if anyone has any insight into prep for the large payout live events. There is the obvious, pick the best lineup strategy :), but outside of that I am wondering if anyone has done anything different due to the tourney structure from a strategy perspective.

    My primary experience is predominantly in large field GPP’s so I know the ownership and structure of 120 person tourney vs 120,000 person tourney plays differently. Let me know if you have any insight. In addition, if you made it is as well and would like to talk strategy over PM let me know.

    best advice i can offer – focus on yourself, do not listen to a thing any of your competitors offer as “advice”.

    None of us want our opponents having an edge. That’s a fact.

  • JeffElJefe

    • 81

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    • Ranked #64

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    • x2

      2019 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    @Ryazan said...

    i have to ask a logical question, and I don’t want to sound mean or negative one bit.

    But JeffElJefe…you’re in the same WFFC as the original poster, and I am in it too. Why give advice to the competition? Serious question…..he’s a big boy, he made it to the big show already anyway, why would ANYONE offer tips on literally how to beat them?

    I honestly don’t want anyone having any kind of edge over me – we are competitors at this point, i can’t believe one finalist is giving advice to another finalist in an attempt to help the other finalist do better. You realize that if he does better, it means you possibly do worse?

    I got no problem being friendly with everyone at the event, but dude, put your game face on!

    I’ve seen your posts on this message board from time to time and can say that I’d be surprised if you agreed with anything I say, let alone just this topic.

    You seem like the kind guy that would prefer to beat an opponent’s lineup that is full of injured players. I’d rather have everyone show up to the final in their best state of mind, build the best lineup they possibly could, and then beat them that way.

    Telling someone to rest up and make sure they don’t overthink things is hardly handing them the belt and offering advice to my competition is nothing new to me. Doesn’t seem to impact my success too much.

  • louiescards

    DK KoTH winner

    • Moderator

    @Ryazan said...

    i have to ask a logical question, and I don’t want to sound mean or negative one bit.

    But JeffElJefe…you’re in the same WFFC as the original poster, and I am in it too. Why give advice to the competition? Serious question…..he’s a big boy, he made it to the big show already anyway, why would ANYONE offer tips on literally how to beat them?

    I honestly don’t want anyone having any kind of edge over me – we are competitors at this point, i can’t believe one finalist is giving advice to another finalist in an attempt to help the other finalist do better. You realize that if he does better, it means you possibly do worse?

    I got no problem being friendly with everyone at the event, but dude, put your game face on!

    If this is your stance on things you really have to take a step back and ask yourself why you are here. Nothing that was said is giving him an edge over the people giving the advice. This is exactly what RG is all about. It’s easy to forget with the constant bitching and moaning on the forums due to the government stepping in but at the core RG is about helping each other out.

  • JL003

    • 243

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    • Ranked #31

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    • x3

      2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    When I won the Fanduel wfbbc in April I spent the whole day at a cigar bar drinking mojitos and smoking cigars till about 2 hours before lineup lock. Hope that helps good luck!

  • JeffElJefe

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      2019 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    @JL003 said...

    When I won the Fanduel wfbbc in April I spent the whole day at a cigar bar drinking mojitos and smoking cigars till about 2 hours before lineup lock. Hope that helps good luck!

    I can confirm this.

  • JEFFRAMBO

    If you need to know where the best cigar bar in San Diego is, let me know. Unfortunately you will only find a good mojito at three places that won’t be open until 9pm the night of the WFFC.

  • SmartWater

    Marketing and Social Media Manager

    @JeffElJefe said...

    I’ll echo what’s been said above and say that I also will prep by focusing on smaller single entry tourneys heading into the event if I have been in the habit of heavy multi entry previously.

    If you have a research routine, be sure to keep it. It’s going to be really tempting to over-research and look at new things that you hadn’t in the past — stick with what’s worked for you. Researching more in-depth may make you more confident, but in reality it probably won’t enhance your ability to build a lineup (assuming you already have a solid routine). Also, there will be distractions the night before, so make sure that you’re prepared to pass up on opportunities to have fun and socialize if you think it will impact your planned research.

    Don’t overthink it, and I’ll see you there.

    This is why Jeff is where he is in the industry.

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @JeffElJefe said...

    I’ve seen your posts on this message board from time to time and can say that I’d be surprised if you agreed with anything I say, let alone just this topic.

    You seem like the kind guy that would prefer to beat an opponent’s lineup that is full of injured players. I’d rather have everyone show up to the final in their best state of mind, build the best lineup they possibly could, and then beat them that way.

    Telling someone to rest up and make sure they don’t overthink things is hardly handing them the belt and offering advice to my competition is nothing new to me. Doesn’t seem to impact my success too much.

    JeffElJefe – I agree with you on most of what you said. By the way, I highly respect you as a player, and I am fully on board with being a community and helping people get better, I do alot of that here, believe it or not (just got too distracted by the negative industry happenings, that took me way off course).

    Just to me, in my opinion, which I base on logic – I would not want to help out anyone in the WFFC. In any way. I want my opponents in the biggest tourney of the year to be nervous, to make bad decisions, ect ect….i mean, this is IT right here, the biggest tournament in the history of DFS for Fanduel. I don’t want anyone having any extra edge than they do already, and that’s my opinion.

    You told the original poster to prep by focusing on smaller single entry tourneys and also to not change his research routine. For all you know, that will help him prepare, and he will set a lineup that gets 170 and not 150, just because he takes your advice and doesn’t over think, and then he ends up with $1,000,000 while you finish right behind him.

    I love to help new guys get better, but it is not my style to help the competition in a serious tournament like this.

  • theseige

    • 2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    @Ryazan said...

    I love to help new guys get better, but it is not my style to help the competition in a serious tournament like this.

    I tend to agree around the event itself, I view live finals as final exams, it doesn’t mean the teacher doesn’t help you try to learn the material or how to approach the exam before the exam, but once the exam comes out you are on your own

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    exactly theseige,

    I’ve had dozens of people email me in the past few months, all asking me what they can do to get better – and i tell everyone how I think they can get better. I help them out. I’m not some evil piece of crap who doesn’t like to help others. But if one of those guys i helped is in the live finals with me and asks for tips or advice, he ain’t getting a thing from me!

  • JeffElJefe

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    @Ryazan said...

    For all you know, that will help him prepare, and he will set a lineup that gets 170 and not 150, just because he takes your advice and doesn’t over think, and then he ends up with $1,000,000 while you finish right behind him.

    If that happens, I’ll shake the guy’s hand and be happy for him.

    Call it “Paying it Forward” or whatever you want, but if similar advice hadn’t been offered to me in the past by some of the best players in the game, then maybe I wouldn’t have had the success that I’ve had at these finals. Maybe Mr. Pickles will be able to help me (or someone else) down the line with something. People that know me will tell you that I’m the most competitive person that they know, which is why me preferring my opponents to be at the top of their game and not having any excuses wouldn’t surprise them at all. I want to beat the best at their best to prove that I’m better. Wanting anything less shows a fear that I don’t have.

    Giving specific player advice on that slate is something I probably won’t be doing, but this is far from that.

  • stevietpfl

    Morning Grind co-host, Lead NASCAR Analyst

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    • 2015 FanDuel MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    I agree with a lot that was posted here. First off, congrats on winning a very hard seat to win. Second, I highly recommend getting a good night sleep the night before, and not going all out at the open bar. Enjoy yourself, live finals are hard to reach, but enjoy yourself the day of the tournament instead of the night before. Good Luck

  • sambo58

    • 585

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    • Ranked #82

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    • 2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    I qualified for this a few weeks ago. I am very excited for the opportunity. I agree that we should approach this as a final exam. I’ve never been to a live final. I am undecided if I’ll listen/read to anything that week because who else will have as much on the line as we will. I’m looking forward to meeting everyone!

  • MrPickles

    • 2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    Wow, a ton of great feedback here. Jeffeljefe, thank you for the advice even though you are at the event. I look forward to meeting you.

    JL003, Congrats on going into Frank the Tank mode to set the best lineup (kinda like the scene in old school where he blacks out and wins the debate vs. the Rajun Cajun).

    Rayazan, I appreciate your competitiveness and respect your line of thinking because I used to be the same way, but now have a different perspective that has delivered better results/fullfillment for me in life.

    Congrats Sambo for making it. Looking forward to an epic event.

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