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  • ColonialRampage

    http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/14623271/draftkings-bans-use-offsite-scripts-identify-experienced-players

    Highlights: – DK will have it’s own scripting software and will disallow use of any outside scripts – Reduced entry limits – Some kind of designation of experienced players

    I’m interested in seeing the official announcement (probably in the morning?)

    Moderator Note: Please keep the discussion in this thread on-topic regarding the current changes DK is making. If you want to discuss any proposed changes (e.g. stack limits), please create a new thread.

  • gje627

    @jakz101 said...

    If they log on and see something technical that tells them they can build 100+ lineups, here’s how you do it, no lineup building required, etc., then IMO it will scare casual users off.

    I’m confused by your comment, you state that no lineup building is required? That is incorrect. This is only a lineup UPLOADING tool and not a lineup BUILDING tool. In other words, you will still need to identify the players you want in your lineups. This tool does not do that for you.

    I also disagree that this change will discourage the casual user from playing because it’s too technically challenging. I really don’t think most users will find it all that difficult to fill out and upload a .csv file. If they do find it too difficult, they probably shouldn’t be trusted to spend their money on DK in the first place.

    Finally, the casual user more than likely only enters one or two lineups anyways. If they do this, they don’t need to use the new lineup tool at all and they can simply enter lineups manually in the same way they have in the past.

  • grux

    Nice job DK. Keep up the good work!

  • glennantz

    @Helplessnewb said...

    100% Casual scrub here, around 100 or so entries played ever. Doesn’t and will not scare me in the slightest and as mentioned above, already aware that people load up on multi entries at a rate I can’t even imagine using scripts. Not buying the whole scared of a technical tool thing.

    Same here, it looks like it will take the pro’s longer to use the tool. It will have no change in the way I play.

  • AWoo

    @Mindofigor said...

    RIP fantasycruncher

    WELP

  • kellykip

    Is anyone else being asked again to verify their account when they go to enter a tourney today on DK?

    Normally I wouldn’t be too suspicious of this request, but in the body of their ‘why you should verify’ paragraph at the bottom of the screen, they refer to themselves as ‘DrafKing’s’ instead of ‘DraftKings’ without the apostrophe. Most of the scammers make these type of errors, and it isn’t asking me to veryify on the phone app, so figured it would be safer to make sure others have verified last 24 hours without issues.

  • ComicFx

    I’m a 1-3 lineup a day guy, this changes nothing for me. I see it as a burden to current large volume/mass entry players and a chance for bad players to go broke faster. Take your current ROI and mass enter it. Best Luck.

  • Aalbanese102089

    @kellykip said...

    Is anyone else being asked again to verify their account when they go to enter a tourney today on DK?

    Normally I wouldn’t be too suspicious of this request, but in the body of their ‘why you should verify’ paragraph at the bottom of the screen, they refer to themselves as ‘DrafKing’s’ instead of ‘DraftKings’ without the apostrophe. Most of the scammers make these type of errors, and it isn’t asking me to veryify on the phone app, so figured it would be safer to make sure others have verified last 24 hours without issues.

    Not me, that’s odd. Can you take a screenshot? Just curious to see..

  • kellykip

    yeah, that’s a good idea – I will do that

  • naitrin

    i looked at the existing DK upload tool, it does not allow for lineup edits it seems i.e. you cannot overwrite a lineup you have already submitted. that is a gamechanger

  • crimsonp

    Not sure if this has been asked but how will you know if someone is using their own scripting software and how will it be enforced?

  • kaetorade

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    @theseige said...

    This is a major mistake from Draftkings… Having an on-site script will scare casual players away, just ban scripting entirely, this is going to backfire big time

    Like you, I’d much prefer that they ban scripts altogether. However, the perception that others may be gaining an advantage from a third party is a huge turn off and this is certainly a step in the right direction. .

  • mjordantmac

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    If there is no bulk lineup edit/replace then tournaments will significantly decrease in size. Slowly but surely everyone who has been complaining is getting what they want and even then they’ll still be unhappy. The clowns who want single entry million dollar tournaments with no pros and a money back guarantee are the same clowns who are forcing this movement. In my opinion this is taking a turn for the worse.

  • Shipmymoney

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    @waffles2003 said...

    If they really had their customers in mind, they would get rid of scripting all together and also strongly limit the number of entries per player.

    Instead of raising the prize pools, limit the number of entries per player…

    Uhh no thanks. I’ll take the increased prize pools

  • SA16

    @talnted145 said...

    For head to heads why don’t these sites use a match making system like most online video games do? That way you will be placed in matches against someone of similar skill. It can be number of wins, winning %, etc. That can be worked on but have a match making system just seems logical to me.

    Because making the games significantly less profitable for all your high volume customers is not a good way for a company to make money

  • pokerrob1970

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    For me this is i guess a step in some direction. But until we see :

    - Max entry limits of 0.5% (or max 1 in anything under 200 entry contests) – Anti stacking rules of no more than 2 players per real life team – and unlimited match up blockers in all forms of cash games

    It makes little difference to me.

  • Shipmymoney

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    @gje627 said...

    I’m confused by your comment, you state that no lineup building is required? That is incorrect. This is only a lineup UPLOADING tool and not a lineup BUILDING tool. In other words, you will still need to identify the players you want in your lineups. This tool does not do that for you.

    I also disagree that this change will discourage the casual user from playing because it’s too technically challenging. I really don’t think most users will find it all that difficult to fill out and upload a .csv file. If they do find it too difficult, they probably shouldn’t be trusted to spend their money on DK in the first place.

    Finally, the casual user more than likely only enters one or two lineups anyways. If they do this, they don’t need to use the new lineup tool at all and they can simply enter lineups manually in the same way they have in the past.

    Yeah I’m an absolute idiot when it comes to anything to do with computers or technology in general but I was able to quickly understand how to save my lineups in a csv and upload them through the script here on RG

  • btwice80

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    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Anti stacking rules of no more than 2 players per real life team

    So make short slates and even some medium-size slates completely unplayable? No thanks. Four is a much more reasonable limit.

  • Aalbanese102089

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Anti stacking rules of no more than 2 players per real life team

    So you’re saying I couldn’t stack more than 2 players from any given team?? If that ever happened, I would probably quit playing.

  • heartman

    @kellykip said...

    Is anyone else being asked again to verify their account when they go to enter a tourney today on DK?

    Normally I wouldn’t be too suspicious of this request, but in the body of their ‘why you should verify’ paragraph at the bottom of the screen, they refer to themselves as ‘DrafKing’s’ instead of ‘DraftKings’ without the apostrophe. Most of the scammers make these type of errors, and it isn’t asking me to veryify on the phone app, so figured it would be safer to make sure others have verified last 24 hours without issues.

    Be careful here. Just last week I received an e-mail from paypal asking to verify my account information. I contacted paypal and they told me to forward the e-mail to their fraud prevention department. It ended up being an attempted scam but looked exactly like a real e-mail from paypal.

  • Shipmymoney

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    @pokerrob1970 said...

    For me this is i guess a step in some direction. But until we see :

    - Max entry limits of 0.5% (or max 1 in anything under 200 entry contests) – Anti stacking rules of no more than 2 players per real life team – and unlimited match up blockers in all forms of cash games

    It makes little difference to me.

    Why anti-stacking rules? To protect people in NBA from making stupid lineups?

  • pokerrob1970

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    @Aalbanese102089 said...

    So you’re saying I couldn’t stack more than 2 players from any given team?? If that ever happened, I would probably quit playing.

    LOL ya heaven forbid people would have to do research and cap the individual players not which vegas total is the highest. Being able to take a pitcher and 6 batters from a MLB starting lineup is pretty much sports bettering……

  • Putz

    @SmokestackLightning said...

    I’m fairly certain, given the context, that it means GPPs, and this is a misunderstanding on the part of the ESPN writer.

    We’ll see when they officially roll it out, but as you said, non-GPPs are not the problem. Are there any non-GPPs that allow more than 50 entries to begin with?

    Although in that quoted passage, it does indicate the 1/2/3 dollar contests will be limited to 50 as well. So who the hell knows?

    (throws up hands) Just have to wait and see.

    Hopefully this is clarified. The way I read it, you can only enter at most 50 $5 h2h, 3-man, 5-man, 10-man, 100-man, and/or 50/50 per contest slate. This was only an issue for a certain group of players, so why not limit only them?

  • kellykip

    @heartman said...

    Be careful here. Just last week I received an e-mail from paypal asking to verify my account information. I contacted paypal and they told me to forward the e-mail to their fraud prevention department. It ended up being an attempted scam but looked exactly like a real e-mail from paypal.

    Yeah, always smart to be extra careful. I sent the screenshot to DK support and they did just confirm that it was sent by them.

    I think it’s wise to ask them directly anytime something like this comes through.

  • btwice80

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    @pokerrob1970 said...

    LOL ya heaven forbid people would have to do research and cap the individual players not which vegas total is the highest. Being able to take a pitcher and 6 batters from a MLB starting lineup is pretty much sports bettering……

    First of all, I said four, not six. Second, I’m not a big stacker and Vegas totals have very little to do with how I make lineups; it’s all about the batter/pitcher matchups. And there are many MLB slates that would be unplayable with a limit of two. Forcing people to roster batters they otherwise would not roster (vs. that day’s pitcher) has the opposite effect you think it does; it reduces the skill component and raises the chance component. Again, I would love it if DK lowered the limit to four.

  • rocketman

    I am not a computer programming expert or a script wizard so I could be wrong here, but I have a few questions about the new DK tool that will allow you to enter up to 500 LUs into DK contests. It is a simple excel sheet with the individual roster positions listed and the player pool for that day/slate with assigned player IDs. I’d assume that the scripts the pros use are very sophisticated and they immediately have the same player pool for every slate on that day updated in their scripts and spreadsheets. What is stopping them from assigning the player IDs given by DK to the players in their script/spreadsheet, tweaking a few things so the teams in their scripts/spreadsheets spit out teams according to the DK player IDs, then simply dumping the teams assigned with those player IDs into DKs new spreadsheet. This almost seems too simple and I don’t think this is a real solution. This seems like the sharks and computer wizards are still going to be able to use their systems and generate the same caliber of DK lineups. They are just going to have to go one little extra step. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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