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  • biggiesmails72

    This is for the Week 8 DK Milly Maker

    All players with 100+ submitted lineups.
    The total number of entries meeting these parameters were 18,384.
    They grossed $253,130 overall on buy-ins totaling $367,680 for an overall net profit of -$114,550 (-31% ROI).
    The total number of players with 100+ lineups was 80, 72 of which had a negative net profit, leaving 8 in the positive.
    Looking over each player’s player exposures, I saw low exposure to Brees/Eli across the board, which is why the results were particularly worse this week. The overall net profit was somewhat salvaged by a #5 finish by TheClone for $100k (he also had a #39 finish for $6k).

    Exposures for TheClone:

    Exposures for maxdalury (love how he targets a handful of guys and hits them hard):

    This was posted on another website and decided to post it here. (with permission)

  • MikeSos760

    @tianyihe said...

    Maxdalury is probably the most successfully player in DFS, having made over $1 mil las year…Rather than look at NFL where it produces one data point per week, go look at the NBA GPPs in DK and FD. He enters the maximum and routinely cashes 50-80% of his lineups, with a few line ups in the top 15 where his 1 top 15 finishes covers his buyin, and the rest is all profit.

    I imagine it is easier to be more consistent at multi entry in basketball since it is a more consistent sport in terms of how the stars produce and easier to pick out value plays….
    Nfl is kind of a luck shot at times, anything can happen on any given Sunday, and it relies so much on touchdowns, which is hard to predict.

  • PainState

    Well it seems that there is a fixation on Maxdalury and how he did in the Week #9 Millymaker. Well, yes, sadly I took 15 minutes of my precious time left on earth to look it up.

    He entered 500 times.

    His highest place standing was 1881

    He placed 3 X $100
    5 X $75
    3 X $60
    5 X $50

    He placed 188 / 500 on his lineups. 16 at the $50+ range and 172 in the $40-$30 range.

    I average his remaining 172 lineups at $35, all the lineups that are in the $40-$30 range. I averaged because of time constraints and my guilt that I’am wasting time sorting xcell files.

    So with the average he posted a gross profit ~ $7475 and Net Profit of -$2525 ROI -25.25%

    So there we go. That is how he did in Week #9. For some of you that makes you feel good, for others, well, it was just one week in a long season so no big deal. For guys like me, well, it was just one big waste of time.

    :}

  • tianyihe

    @MikeSos760 said...

    I imagine it is easier to be more consistent at multi entry in basketball since it is a more consistent sport in terms of how the stars produce and easier to pick out value plays….
    Nfl is kind of a luck shot at times, anything can happen on any given Sunday, and it relies so much on touchdowns, which is hard to predict.

    Absolutely. NFL is a high variance sport where injuries are common and points are TD dependent. Just because some of the high volume sharks did poorly last week doesn’t mean they are degenerate gamblers losing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year

  • ComicFx

    Lot of people seem to be missing that bankroll management part about playing 5-10% in GPP and 90-95% cash games. I think we can safely assume these well known well banked players some we’ve seen around for years are playing a much larger % cash than GPP and we don’t know how they did in cash play. So is this a poor showing or a smart first or last approach to an insane top heavy GPP like the milly maker? Thanks to the poster for putting it together and generating the discussion.

  • raiders7532

    @PainState said...

    I just downloaded the CSV for week #9 Milly Maker and there is some good news for us single entry type guys.

    6 of the top 10 where single entry lineups.

    11 of the top 20 where single entry

    skeener917 0 271.14
    Herdcrazy214 0 271.04
    primalforce (35/38) 0 268.46
    jayblaze39 0 267.94
    smitty42 (6/30) 0 266.84
    clangster0615 0 264.32
    fantasykiller69 (2/5) 0 263.34
    azazel2177 0 262.94
    hly858 (17/32) 0 262.86
    rchristakes 0 262.56
    stpark98 (3/3) 0 262.54
    jkhaney 0 262.12
    manager415 (2/12) 0 261.24
    alapeda 0 260.86
    dutajackson (12/20) 0 260.64
    ernz420 0 260.28
    nathanacker 0 259.96
    rooster217 (1/3) 0 259.56
    SportsDD (134/224) 0 258.84
    Jsize 0 258.64

    Just in case you wanted to know.

    Props to them. The real kings of Daily Fantasy Sports.

  • Linsanity88

    If TheClone had a $100k score (and a $6k score) and his total entry fees are $9,960, then how is his net profit only $75,780? Seems like there’s an issue with these numbers somewhere. Also one week is an incredibly small sample size. Whatever site gathered these numbers should do this for the entire season once it’s over. Find all players who average 100+ MM entries and then analyze their results.

  • PainState

    @MikeSos760 said...

    Nfl is kind of a luck shot at times, anything can happen on any given Sunday, and it relies so much on touchdowns, which is hard to predict.

    What? you did not see Cole Beasley going off on one of the best “value plays” of the year? I thought everyone was all over him as a stone cold lock value play.

    :}

  • PainState

    @Linsanity88 said...

    If TheClone had a $100k score (and a $6k score) and his total entry fees are $9,960, then how is his net profit only $75,780? Seems like there’s an issue with these numbers somewhere

    No issues with these numbers, sir. He entered 498 times, hit big on 2 and then proceeded to get hammered very hard and took losses on the rest of his cards. IF he did not hit that 100K win he would have been one of the masses with a huge loss that week.

  • ssmfour

    Semi-amused at people calling the pros fish from a bad week. For most of these guys this is a profession and they do quite well at it. The crazy NO/NYG game likely hurt them all that week

  • PainState

    @ssmfour said...

    Semi-amused at people calling the pros fish from a bad week. For most of these guys this is a profession and they do quite well at it. The crazy NO/NYG game likely hurt them all that week

    I totally agree. The original OP was just one tournament on one site. The guys that where highlighted in the OP most likely in their cash plays covered all the losses in that one GPP and still made some profit, albeit, slim, for that week or they hit HUGE on another site and crushed it.

    We do not know.

    It would not shock me if I found out that 12OVC the first player listed that weekend “banked” 15K over all the sites he plays on with all his “plays” added up.

  • Trollowitz

    Tell you what. Find me a way to short these guys and I will. I want to go short all of the supposed sharks (degenerate gamblers). Put them in a collective basket and I will go BIG against them. Over a course of a year I can promise you that I will make BIG money shorting this collective basket of fools.

  • tiltatout

    I’ll take that bet all day long depending on the basket you propose… If we find a reliable third party… State your terms.

  • PainState

    @Trollowitz said...

    Tell you what. Find me a way to short these guys and I will. I want to go short all of the supposed sharks (degenerate gamblers). Put them in a collective basket and I will go BIG against them. Over a course of a year I can promise you that I will make BIG money shorting this collective basket of fools.

    LOL!!!!!

    So you want to find an edge, you will then use that edge and Go BIG and beat them at their own game BUT there is a time limit of a year or more.

    classic…GO big or go home Trollowitz!!!!! YOLO!!!!!!

  • PainState

    Side note: Why all the “hate” on degenerate gamblers?

  • Linsanity88

    @PainState said...

    No issues with these numbers, sir. He entered 498 times, hit big on 2 and then proceeded to get hammered very hard and took losses on the rest of his cards. IF he did not hit that 100K win he would have been one of the masses with a huge loss that week.

    The 500 entries cost $10k. If he had 1 $100k score, then his net profit had to be at least $90k. Math is hard.

  • letterj007

    @Linsanity88 said...

    The 500 entries cost $10k. If he had 1 $100k score, then his net profit had to be at least $90k. Math is hard.

    Geniuses around these parts. And they wonder why they lose week in, week out.

  • SirMarkis

    @Linsanity88 said...

    The 500 entries cost $10k. If he had 1 $100k score, then his net profit had to be at least $90k. Math is hard.

    He won $85k. It’s right there on the sheet.

  • Linsanity88

    @SirMarkis said...

    He won $85k. It’s right there on the sheet.

    Yeah, and the sheet is wrong. TheClone won $100k for his 5th place score. He won $6k for his 39th place score. His gross winnings were at least $106k, so his net profit was at least $96k. The numbers posted in the OP are incorrect. If someone really wants me to, I’ll download the Week 8 MM results and perform an accurate analysis.

  • raiders7532

    A reminder why the New York AG doesn’t consider DFS a game of skill.

  • jeffdavis372

    @DatDerFranny said...

    The first chapter would be titled, “Start by Getting an Extremely Large Chunk of Money From Your Parents as Your Bankroll Deposit, the Size of Which Only a Fraction of a Percent of You Readers Have Access To.”

    So I doubt the book would be applicable to the masses.

    Hilarious. Same with most guys that enter a ton of lineups, I would assume. How many guys deposited 100 bucks and are now multi millionaires from DFS?

  • sports_nerd

    Interesting to note: 80 people make up 6% of the entries. Also, the Net winnings don’t reflect the cost of entry, particularly Satellite entries. I’ve witnessed a few people in the above list in satellites I was in.

    Great piece of analysis though.

  • BobGrinder

    @PainState said...

    Side note: Why all the “hate” on degenerate gamblers?

    *Side note: Why all the hate on “degenerate gamblers”?

    Fixed.

  • smurg

    @Linsanity88 You’re correct. I just reviewed the earnings calculation and it was a tad off (only affected pretty high finishes). I have a table of the ranking & earnings and would work my way up the rank as the rank was smaller than the current row finish, and it was set to only less than instead of less than or equal to. So his 5th place finish stop calculating at 6th place ($75k). I’ll re-run the numbers but they shouldn’t change besides in TheClone’s finish and few very edge cases.

  • srolleDFS

    @Trollowitz said...

    Tell you what. Find me a way to short these guys and I will. I want to go short all of the supposed sharks (degenerate gamblers). Put them in a collective basket and I will go BIG against them. Over a course of a year I can promise you that I will make BIG money shorting this collective basket of fools.

    i figured it out!

    you can enter contests in which they are also entered. given that these are all high volume players, that is probably all contests.

    if you would be willing to put up margin, i would be happy to arrange for you to be able to short me.

  • jjwd

    This is moronic, man. I don’t want to be mean but you make a fool of yourself when you say stuff like this. Those high rollers MAKE A LIVING on DFS. Do you understand what that means? It mean they’re smart and stuff, they understand math… Do yourself a favor and learn from RG, don’t just post divisive nonsense.

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