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  • biggiesmails72

    This is for the Week 8 DK Milly Maker

    All players with 100+ submitted lineups.
    The total number of entries meeting these parameters were 18,384.
    They grossed $253,130 overall on buy-ins totaling $367,680 for an overall net profit of -$114,550 (-31% ROI).
    The total number of players with 100+ lineups was 80, 72 of which had a negative net profit, leaving 8 in the positive.
    Looking over each player’s player exposures, I saw low exposure to Brees/Eli across the board, which is why the results were particularly worse this week. The overall net profit was somewhat salvaged by a #5 finish by TheClone for $100k (he also had a #39 finish for $6k).

    Exposures for TheClone:

    Exposures for maxdalury (love how he targets a handful of guys and hits them hard):

    This was posted on another website and decided to post it here. (with permission)

  • jjwd

    talkin to trollowitz

  • crazydaisy2013

    I’d do it if I had the money.

  • WilliamPU2003

    theres no way this fool (maxdalury) is gonna make 5 million a year like he claims. for every week he makes a million hes pissing away it all back every other week he doesnt win. in the end hes a break even player at best.

  • BobGrinder

    He was on track to win $4m this year and from his points here going up 1m since he said he was up $2m already, I’d say it looks like he’s still on that pace.

  • Trollowitz

    Top heavy GPPs are fools’ gold. Simple math proves that point. Play them like you would slots or the lottery. I get the idea that the Fan Boys on here that pimp these degenerate gamblers work in the industry. Same story with day trading, forex, and online poker. People within those industries would go on forums and claim that some young kid in Iowa was making millions in his one bedroom apartment.

  • Trollowitz

    @BobGrinder said...

    He was on track to win $4m this year and from his points here going up 1m since he said he was up $2m already, I’d say it looks like he’s still on that pace.

    Those points don’t take into account his losses. Go read the FAQ! You can win $50 million and lose $55 million and still be winning in points.

    https://rotogrinders.com/pages/rotogrinders-rankings-faq-158

  • tiltatout

    God, when reading responses to this thread I wish so much that DFS still had some years ahead of it… I used to think that people had become good enough that it wasn’t the golden age anymore, clearly this is not the case…

  • setcamper

    Where’s the Story about Max getting staked by his pops? Thought he was just some number nerd who liked sports and built a sick spreadsheet that printed money?

  • BobGrinder

    @Trollowitz said...

    Those points don’t take into account his losses. Go read the FAQ! You can win $50 million and lose $55 million and still be winning in points.

    I’m aware of how how it works.

    There was an interview with Sud where he claimed to be up $2m already for the year. He claimed to be putting amount $140k in action per day and claimed to be winning about $11k per day. I have no reason to doubt his word. Other than completely clueless, hypocritical lunacy, I doubt you have any valid reasons to doubt it either.

    As of the time of the article he was at 2.5m pts. I did the math and at $11k per day he would indeed be up over $2m at that point in the year so if his pts pace has remained roughly the same, which it has, it is fairly safe to assume that his winning % has remained roughly the same as well.

    I’m well aware I am wasting my time trying to explain anything to a fool but consider this. You pointed to how the rankings work and correctly noted that they don’t take losses into account but you’re doing the same thing looking at two reports showing he has lost in two tournaments and assuming he must be a looser. At least my assumptions have some solid reasoning behind them. Yours just have crazy.

  • WilliamPU2003

    what are these pts that you refer to? theres no site that is giving close to 8 pct ROR on pts for entrees.

  • Davey224

    DFS a game of skill huh? HA! They should have made ALL contests single entry from the beginning and I guarantee DFS wouldn’t be on the brink of extinction. The every day fan, who these companies targeted in their ads, got bamboozled! Sure it takes skill to build a potential winning lineup, it takes zero skill, aside from computer skill, to make 499 variations on that lineup!

    It doesn’t matter if these “pro’s”, if you can even call them that, lose money every week. Every entry above the average player is an entry that reduces the odds of any average player placing. Any idiot who can do simple math can figure that out. And who is watching the executives who run these companies? What’s to say that they aren’t reinvesting profit with a “friend of a friend” with these mass entries? Or even worse, changing/updating lineups of these ghost accounts as real time performances occur? What are the odds that big gpp winners created a lineup with all of the top chalk players and throw a guy like Cole Beasley in there to ice the deal? Suddenly the legal pursuits of state government don’t seem too outrageous do they?

    If I had known beforehand how these DFS sites truly operated I never would have joined. My perspective in this has changed drastically. I enjoy playing because it is fun to look at stats, to watch games I never would have watched, just to cheer on a guy on the worst team in the league who I never knew even played the game. That being said, people need to be aware of the marketing scam that these companies have pulled. Look at that guy who posted last week who went off the deep end about wanting to be a “Pro” DFS player with his single entry in big GPP every week. You can’t be a pro without a pro bank account. This industry should be regulated.

  • EadesScience

    @biggiesmails72 said...

    This is for the Week 8 DK Milly Maker

    All players with 100+ submitted lineups.
    The total number of entries meeting these parameters were 18,384.
    They grossed $253,130 overall on buy-ins totaling $367,680 for an overall net profit of -$114,550 (-31% ROI).
    The total number of players with 100+ lineups was 80, 72 of which had a negative net profit, leaving 8 in the positive.
    Looking over each player’s player exposures, I saw low exposure to Brees/Eli across the board, which is why the results were particularly worse this week. The overall net profit was somewhat salvaged by a #5 finish by TheClone for $100k (he also had a #39 finish for $6k).

    This is really good information. What website does this come from?

    Ricky

  • biggiesmails72

    @EadesScience said...

    This is really good information. What website does this come from?

    Ricky

    I got this from @smurg

    His week 9 thread is here https://rotogrinders.com/threads/nfl-week-9-dk-milly-maker-results-961489

  • 1984mbc

    What about people that do 250 entries (max??) on the $5 700k FD primetime slate? I’d be curious on the roi of those.

  • Supanice

    Great thread, maybe one of them could post their cash stats for one of those weeks so we could see the business strategy.

  • Jem1434

    Anyone know how I can create a similar exposure breakdown for all my upcoming contests this week? Would be nice to know exact percentages of exposure to each player so I can adjust accordingly

  • TwoSHAE

    @Davey224 said...

    DFS a game of skill huh? HA! They should have made ALL contests single entry from the beginning and I guarantee DFS wouldn’t be on the brink of extinction. The every day fan, who these companies targeted in their ads, got bamboozled! Sure it takes skill to build a potential winning lineup, it takes zero skill, aside from computer skill, to make 499 variations on that lineup!

    It doesn’t matter if these “pro’s”, if you can even call them that, lose money every week. Every entry above the average player is an entry that reduces the odds of any average player placing. Any idiot who can do simple math can figure that out. And who is watching the executives who run these companies? What’s to say that they aren’t reinvesting profit with a “friend of a friend” with these mass entries? Or even worse, changing/updating lineups of these ghost accounts as real time performances occur? What are the odds that big gpp winners created a lineup with all of the top chalk players and throw a guy like Cole Beasley in there to ice the deal? Suddenly the legal pursuits of state government don’t seem too outrageous do they?

    If I had known beforehand how these DFS sites truly operated I never would have joined. My perspective in this has changed drastically. I enjoy playing because it is fun to look at stats, to watch games I never would have watched, just to cheer on a guy on the worst team in the league who I never knew even played the game. That being said, people need to be aware of the marketing scam that these companies have pulled. Look at that guy who posted last week who went off the deep end about wanting to be a “Pro” DFS player with his single entry in big GPP every week. You can’t be a pro without a pro bank account. This industry should be regulated.

    You can download the CSV of all lineups as soon as the contest goes live, so might as well nip that “editing in real time” one in the bud before someone thinks your argument actually holds any water.

  • TwoSHAE

    @Trollowitz said...

    Top heavy GPPs are fools’ gold. Simple math proves that point. Play them like you would slots or the lottery. I get the idea that the Fan Boys on here that pimp these degenerate gamblers work in the industry. Same story with day trading, forex, and online poker. People within those industries would go on forums and claim that some young kid in Iowa was making millions in his one bedroom apartment.

    Except this actually is true (100% confirmed in online poker).

  • Davey224

    @TwoSHAE said...

    You can download the CSV of all lineups as soon as the contest goes live, so might as well nip that “editing in real time” one in the bud before someone thinks your argument actually holds any water.

    In an industry where nobody is watching and companies are left to police themselves while dealing with millions of dollars, I wouldn’t trust anything.

  • letterj007

    @Jem1434 said...

    Anyone know how I can create a similar exposure breakdown for all my upcoming contests this week? Would be nice to know exact percentages of exposure to each player so I can adjust accordingly

    Seriously?? For upcoming contests??

    If you are serious, there is NO way – that I (and most) know of. It’s what caused the whole ‘Ethangate’ thing…some at DK had access to all of the ownership splits before SOME (not all) players locked. To the best of my knowledge, the splits are only available AFTER lock.

    Of course it would be nice to have access to ownership splits, however ;)

  • thesechipsarecrazy

    You could also just check after the Thursday slate…

  • TwoSHAE

    @Davey224 said...

    In an industry where nobody is watching and companies are left to police themselves while dealing with millions of dollars, I wouldn’t trust anything.

    The players are watching. Download it right when the contest goes live and again when it ends. If there’s a difference, please post here.

  • letterj007

    @thesechipsarecrazy said...

    You could also just check after the Thursday slate…

    He asked to know the “exact percentages of exposure” to adjust accordingly. I don’t think the FD ownership splits provide that info.

  • Supanice

    Because of this thread I tried my first 2 max entries into 1 and .25 gpp’s. Looking at their breakdowns it just seems like they use way too many players and the number of permutations is just stupid. These guys are “pros” can’t cant pick 2-3 of the top 5 players at a position? Picking 8 qb 10 rb 10 wr.. there is almost no chance of you hitting a good permutation in only 200 entries. For me one issue is sanders being questionable so I just switched out half of his lineups for demaryius and the other half for evans. I think theo riddick will be the key player with 15+ from garbage time (entire second half?) dink and dunk but I didn’t lock him because I don’t trust the lions plus self doubt. I missed out on a 150k win last year because I was too hungover to read the injury report and see Bernard was out, which was just laziness, but this year I’ve come 1 or 2 players from some pretty high placings so hopefully this will fix that. I don’t see how a bortles/williams/riddick/murray/robinson/cooper as your high exposure players this week can go wrong. Also I read jmtowin is only doing 2 contests this week and even said he will have a pass catcher from the redskins/saints which is nuts to me if he means someone other than reed but maybe that’s just because of the conference plus doing nba as well.

  • Warriv

    @TwoSHAE said...

    You can download the CSV of all lineups as soon as the contest goes live, so might as well nip that “editing in real time” one in the bud before someone thinks your argument actually holds any water.

    Not on Fanduel. There is zero excuse they don’t have a csv download option yet, other than they don’t care about proving their games are legitimate. I’d think this would be the first thing a company would want to do, but even a billion dollar company on shaky legal standing apparently doesn’t care.

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