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  • robert

    What kind of long term ROI do these top players have in GPPs?

    People argue that these guys are good for DFS and dont always win . Of course they dont always win but in the long run these guys will have a solid expected ROI in every contest, and playing vs them lessens any of your expected equity.

    Factor in the massive number of entries and these guys take up a ton of the equity of these big field GPPs.

    In the FD $150K slam today. 6896 total entries. But the top 10 or so mass multi-entry players will probably have 2000-3000 of those entries, as several players have 150-300+ entries.

    So the top 10 or so players will probably have 30-40% of the total entries. These guys are the best in the world, with very high expected ROI, not sure how to figure it out exactly but the expected equity of those players has to be well over 50% of the total prize pool

    Just kind of discouraging for guys with smaller bankroll or non mass entry guys. It will probably only get worse as more and more big bankroll players join in on the mass entering as they see the profit to be had. I just dont get when people argue that this is good for DFS and doesnt effect small bankroll or recreational players.

    I have no problem with multi-entry, I just wish sites would put a reasonable limit on number of entries. GPPs that sell out early now will likely still sell out, if not i would much rather have a slightly smaller GPP than have to play a GPP where 10 guys have over half the equity.

  • jellish

    See every other thread that’s been made in regards to this topic.

  • McGibblets84

    It’s not that bad. Think of it this way. Would you rather go against these DFS leaders in a tourney where half their lineups if not more won’t cash, or would you rather face them head to head? Even if you create 100 lineups, you have to be high on the right guys or you lose money.

    I’m a single entry recreational guy myself, but I have no beef against multi-entry. I kind of wish I had the time and bankroll to do it lol. Does it help their chances? Most certainly. But they still need a good cash rate or they’re donating money to the rest of the field anyway.

    PLUS- If you see a guy with a bunch of lineups at the top, study their lineups and why they may have picked those players, and try to use it for your own gain. Could turn into a learning experience.

  • winsome

    @robert said...

    These guys are the best in the world

    haha. you’re already beat

  • einars

    @jellish said...

    See every other thread that’s been made in regards to this topic.

    ^

  • deebarizo

    I have two alternatives because I don’t think the sites are going to stop unlimited multi-entry.

    First, join single entry contests instead.

    Second, build better lineups.

    I prefer the second alternative because you make a lot more money.

  • fishkillers

    A long long time ago in a land far far away lived a DFS site called DraftStreet and they did most everything right. They leveled the playing field and created opportunity for all… but this is America bub and that bullshit has no place here – avarice is king… and soon Jeb will be the emperor!

  • jellish

    @winsome said...

    haha. you’re already beat

    How right you are..

  • srolleDFS

    fifty cents on the dollar.

  • steveospeak

    There is a $25 single entry tournament on FD, it only has 137 spots and the top payout is $500. If you want to have daily prize pools of six figures, and top prizes of 15-25K a day, you are going to have to allow mass entry.

    If your % guesses on their share of the entries is correct you aren’t going to have that amount made up by random other users. Even if you allow say 10-20 entries, you would be impacting a number of users who aren’t in the group of 10 guys you mentioned. So that means the Slam would now probably be between 750-1,000 entries a day, drastically reducing the prize pools.

    That’s just for the $25 tournament, if you start drastically reducing the number of entries for the smaller $1, $2, and $5 tournaments, those prize pools will dry up as well.

    You might be okay with smaller prize pools, but most people (rightly or wrongly) are chasing that big $5K+ payday. That is why they are playing DFS because of the appeal of the big prizes. that simply doesn’t happen without mass entry.

  • deebarizo

    @steveospeak said...

    There is a $25 single entry tournament on FD, it only has 137 spots and the top payout is $500. If you want to have daily prize pools of six figures, and top prizes of 15-25K a day, you are going to have to allow mass entry.

    If your % guesses on their share of the entries is correct you aren’t going to have that amount made up by random other users. Even if you allow say 10-20 entries, you would be impacting a number of users who aren’t in the group of 10 guys you mentioned. So that means the Slam would now probably be between 750-1,000 entries a day, drastically reducing the prize pools.

    That’s just for the $25 tournament, if you start drastically reducing the number of entries for the smaller $1, $2, and $5 tournaments, those prize pools will dry up as well.

    You might be okay with smaller prize pools, but most people (rightly or wrongly) are chasing that big $5K+ payday. That is why they are playing DFS because of the appeal of the big prizes. that simply doesn’t happen without mass entry.

    One of the best things I’ve read on the subject. Well said.

  • leafs93

    @steveospeak said...

    There is a $25 single entry tournament on FD, it only has 137 spots and the top payout is $500. If you want to have daily prize pools of six figures, and top prizes of 15-25K a day, you are going to have to allow mass entry.

    not to mention they are raking the 25$ single entry at almost the same % the regular slam no idea what thats about…. I guess they assume there customers are uneducated or something, come again next time ill stick to the big payday and deal with the mass multi entry.

  • steveospeak

    @leafs93 said...

    no idea what thats about…. I guess they assume there customers are uneducated or something, come again next time ill stick to the big payday and deal with the mass multi entry.

    Thanks,

    Hey where do you find that browser plugin to show the rake or overlay? I’ve heard others mention it before, but the only extension I’ve seen is the one that shows you H2H match-ups. Thanks

  • hotpants

    @steveospeak said...

    There is a $25 single entry tournament on FD, it only has 137 spots and the top payout is $500. If you want to have daily prize pools of six figures, and top prizes of 15-25K a day, you are going to have to allow mass entry.

    If your % guesses on their share of the entries is correct you aren’t going to have that amount made up by random other users. Even if you allow say 10-20 entries, you would be impacting a number of users who aren’t in the group of 10 guys you mentioned. So that means the Slam would now probably be between 750-1,000 entries a day, drastically reducing the prize pools.

    That’s just for the $25 tournament, if you start drastically reducing the number of entries for the smaller $1, $2, and $5 tournaments, those prize pools will dry up as well.

    You might be okay with smaller prize pools, but most people (rightly or wrongly) are chasing that big $5K+ payday. That is why they are playing DFS because of the appeal of the big prizes. that simply doesn’t happen without mass entry.

    The $25 single-entry could be made bigger while still keeping the massive gpps. It’s full at 5:30

  • steveospeak

    @hotpants said...

    The $25 single-entry could be made bigger while still keeping the massive gpps. It’s full at 5:30

    I definitely think that is a fair point, and I think everyone would be happy if they made those a bit bigger.

    i will say I don’t know how they fill in general. The $10 and $5 single entries have about 60 and 100 spots to fill with an hour to go. For FD I get why they are a little cautious about how big they make those fields.

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