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  • Jvanspro

    As a premium subscriber I was pretty disturbed by what I heard this guy say on his podcast yesterday. To be clear this was not said on RG, but his words on his pod do reflect RG.

    The things that Kelley said on his pod were;

    1.) He doesn’t and has never played DFS. Hmm, how can’t you tout DFS content here on RG if you’ve never played?
    2.) He only logs into FandDuel to check and see the tens of thousands of dollars he’s generating from the affiliate program.
    3.) He has an employee log into FanDuel and DraftKings to email him the salaries cause he doesn’t play.
    4.) He doesn’t watch the games.

    I found this incredibly disturbing. It wouldn’t be a big deal if he was just running a pod. However, he’s not just runn8ng a pod. He has teamed up with RG and is giving analysis. How can one give sound analysis when they don’t watch the games or even play DFS?

    Am I the only one that is incredibly turned off by this?

  • joonyari22

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    i’ll second your stance – it bothers the hell out of me too. I’ll never watch or listen to anything he does (on or off RG) ever again. Tommy G is right, dude is a clown.

  • yisman

    I can’t say I’m surprised by any of this, having listened to him talk.

    Apparently there’s a twitter war going on: https://twitter.com/TommyG/status/1050980564839354368

  • emoney1214

    Seems like a guy for entertainment purposes, and I find him super annoying so I don’t listen to him. It’s like listening to Stephen a Smith or skip Bayless. Not a lot of good content with any of these guys.

  • Trappist1

    You do not need to play DFS to give sound advice about a sport. I actually prefer to listen or read people who do not play DFS to get the outsider view. For example the people I listen to on MMA do not know anything about DFS, but they sure know mixed martial arts inside out. It is up to RG to tell its subscribers if the advice they get is from a DFS player or not. DFS touting is an echo chamber and most of it is not original in any shape or form.

    On watching the games, it depends on the sport. I am sure some play MLB just from the numbers without hardly watching the game and are very good at it. While other watch a lot the games and make their decisions from that. Kelly’s persona can come across irritating but I have to give him props for his honesty and wish others were honest.

  • Trappist1

    @yisman said...

    I can’t say I’m surprised by any of this, having listened to him talk.

    Apparently there’s a twitter war going on: https://twitter.com/TommyG/status/1050980564839354368

    That is pathetic, those two look and sound as desperate attention seekers.

  • CeeGee

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    can’t believe this clown is employed by “the industry leader”

  • hendog

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    He’s a smart guy who has some unique analytics on his site. He also likes to troll people. Shrug.

  • CeeGee

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    trolling is one thing, belitteling paying customers probably isn’t the best look

  • KindGuy

    I personally love Matt Kelley and I guess I’m in the minority. He’s hilarious and the way he combines both analytics/knowledge with his humor makes him my favorite guy to watch every week. I’m very glad Rotogrinders brought him, Eric McClung and Ben Gretch on this season. It’s the only show I watch now. I don’t even watch it for picks. I do it because Kelley is great.

  • KindGuy

    @hendog said...

    He’s a smart guy who has some unique analytics on his site. He also likes to troll people. Shrug.

    Oh yea, his website is freaking great.

  • CuttyTheInsane

    @elementasrat said...

    I personally love Matt Kelley and I guess I’m in the minority. He’s hilarious and the way he combines both analytics/knowledge with his humor makes him my favorite guy to watch every week. I’m very glad Rotogrinders brought him, Eric McClung and Ben Gretch on this season. It’s the only show I watch now. I don’t even watch it for picks. I do it because Kelley is great.

    Same. I listened to him for the first time this week (after previously hearing dislike for this guy) and I thoroughly enjoyed him. I don’t think people realize how hard it is to do a solo podcast. If you don’t like him, don’t listen to him, plain and simple.

  • squidkill

    I’m a fan. Been listening to the roto underground for 2 years plus. He knows how to recognize talent and excels in player comps. He’s a madman and goes off the rails at times but he brings a different vibe. Not boring.

  • mtdurham

    @emoney1214 said...

    Seems like a guy for entertainment purposes, and I find him super annoying so I don’t listen to him. It’s like listening to Stephen a Smith or skip Bayless. Not a lot of good content with any of these guys.

    Skip has made untold millions of dollars by intentionally playing the Devils Advocate in every argument… he’s a very intelligent guy that can take the “idiot side of the argument” and use just enough logic to make it sound like he might have a point… and he’s almost always wrong but that’s because he’s taking the “wrong” end of the argument and trying to make it sound right…

    I mean just as an example when Tim Tebow was blowing up on the ratings because of his christianity popularity a few years ago they knew they had to talk about him nonstop because it was a cash cow…. now Tim Tebow being a good quarterback was obviously an indefensible position…frankly he was one of the worst QB’s we’ve seen in the league over the lsat decade… obviously skip didnt think he was a good QB…but the guy argued until he was blue in the face that he was a “winner” and all that jazz…and the reality is that at least half (if not more) of people that watch/follow sports don’t have any idea what they’re watching…and that’s why narratives are so popular and why sports talk radio/talking head television shows are so popular for casual fans even though you can never find anyone who understands sports who enjoys that type of crap… it’s sports for guys who’d rather watch soap operas than talk about relevant sporting news

    Now Stephen A Smith on the other hand is a total idiot… they give him the “right” side of the argument and he just butchers it until you’re not actually sure if he even watches the sport he’s talking about

  • mtdurham

    My main gripe with his show (and Ive only listened twice so perhaps its not always liek this but i believe it may be):

    1) His Sunday monrinng 20 minute wrap up.. i listened to the one on Sunday morning of Week 4 and he did not talk about DFS or fantasy football in general at all. I mean we’re talking about the most pivotal hours of last minute injury report news, lineup setting, etc and he flat out wasted 20 minutes of anyone’s time who tuned in to that podcast. To me that is pretty unacceptable and I’ll never make the mistake of tuning into that segment again. That’s an easy fix, so no real complaint, just don’t listen. Those hours are way too valuable and potentially costly to bother tuning into a guy rambling about non football topics. I just think it’s worth pointing out he has a Sunday MORNING show that is not related to fantasy football or DFS.

    2) His Week 6 Tuesday show I found some parts pretty funny. Mostly because its Tuesday and I’m in no rush to process any information. Now he did spend the first 6-7 minutes of the podcast tooting his own horn over Mohammad Sanu andMarcus Vandes Scantling… okay… i have no problem going over which picks we got right last week as I think that offers a lot of value… i do think it’d be nice if he would talk about WHY he got the picks right instead of just tooting his own horn. In other words I’d like to hear some more analysis instead of sheer arrogance/bragging…. Of the same vein it would be nice to hear about a few picks he got wwrong as it lends credibility and perhaps he could tell us where he went wrong so we could all learn from his mistakes.

    3) He spent another 5 minutes ranting and laughing about how he got reprimanded from Rotogrinders for starting all these feuds. First of all these feuds are dumb. I dont care who is the Ego King of the DFS community. It’s very dull , uninteresting content to me. Thankfully, I have a lot of free time so it’s not a big deal. But if i had a stressful family/work etc situation I’d be really upset and probably ccancel my subscrtiption over something like that. It’s pure disrespect for the listener and his time honestly. We are paying a monthly subscription fee to OUTSOURCE our time spent researching to someone else. If we have to sift through 15 minutes of baseless and needless chatter to get to actual DFS content then what is the point…

    An example of a very well run show is the weekly “Drive for Show, DFS for Dough” show with Notorious, STLCards84, and Jason Rouslin…. .They spend ~2 minutes introducing themselves and getting pleasantries out the way, then another ~3-4 minutes recapping what happened last week, how they did, and their takeaways… then they get to the upcoming week’s slate…. and from then on it’s pretty much STRICTLY DFS content with the occasional joke or funny quip.. they might talk about another way they are going to play the tournament (like i might take this golfer at 50:1 odds but i dont like his price in DFS)…you know something highly relevant to DFS/gambling in general…. they discuss who they like, who they dont like, why they like/dislike and mix in info about ownership, pricing, course fit, past history, etc… It gives for a complete listener experience with very little fat… This is a WEEEKLY show so you know going in that if you give them 50 minutes of your time they’ll save you hours of time researching and you’ll know that you’re not completely startnig from scratch that week… and oh small detail here but they actually PLAY the guys they recommend playing that week…

    Now compare that to the first 15 minutes i spent listening to the Podfather toot his own horn, blast competitors, and make silly banal comments…. It’s two totally diffetent worlds in terms of content….

    The NFL Showdown slates that chopper/big T do contain significantly more content in literally the first 5-10 minutes of video than i think the Podfather even attempted to get to in his 30 minute show.

    The worst part was he even said he had been instructed by both the fans and rotogrinders to give MORE TAKES…then he ignored it and spent the majority of the show talking about anything but relevant DFS information.

    The Podfather has opened a box of worms I can assure you he didnt want open. By being such an immature loud mouth about all this stuff people are going to start tracking his results from week to week now… his bad calls are going to be brought to light…and he’s a guy who basically relies on 10 minutes of shouting out his awesome calls and ignoring his bad ones to gain credibility…. you can tout and tout and most people wont care if you’re wrong…but if you tick off half the industry people will start tracking your results. And that won’t be good for the “PODFATHER”… because we all know if he had good results he’d play DFS

  • mtdurham

    @elementasrat said...

    I personally love Matt Kelley and I guess I’m in the minority. He’s hilarious and the way he combines both analytics/knowledge with his humor makes him my favorite guy to watch every week. I’m very glad Rotogrinders brought him, Eric McClung and Ben Gretch on this season. It’s the only show I watch now. I don’t even watch it for picks. I do it because Kelley is great.

    But you don’t play paid DFS either… so he’s the perfect fit

  • squidkill

    @mtdurham said...

    But you don’t play paid DFS either… so he’s the perfect fit

    Freeroll life

  • 2Slik

    Kelley is awful. Preferred the show with Sharp 10x better last year. This guy being so quick to say he doesn’t care to play at all, watch football, or even spend 5 minutes to see how DFS works is icing on the cake.

  • yisman

    “I don’t even open my computer on Sundays. I don’t even watch the games, bro.”

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