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  • MarkThaShark

    I dont get this guy. Whatever he is doing should not be allowed in daily fantasy tournaments. Algorithms and whatever else he uses to score so big the way he does ruins the game for people like me. I was in a $27 baseball 12k Guaranteed and he entered 200 line ups. 200X27 is 5,400. He put up 5k worth of line ups to a contest that only paid 12k to first place. And of course around 120 of his lineups or more made the top 200. Thats over 50% of the prize pool being awarded to one person. Now if anyone is risking 5k worth of lineups into a contest that only pays you 12k for winning then they obviously have to KNOW for sure that over half of their lineups will cash. Now I know this is sports and noone can truly predict who is going to do what, but how is this possible?? Look at his profile and his recent big tournament wins. September 27th – 6th and 7th in the sunday million FanDuel, 2nd in NFL 750k 24th FanDuel sunday million. September 28th – 1st in the 400k NFL sunday night special, 1st in 250k Game changer , 1st NFL 150k Grid Iron, 1st in NFL 25k Blitz. The list goes on on on. every week top 10 finishes in tournaments with field over 100k, some 400k+ like the sunday million obviously. Ive researched his name and seen a few interviews. Im sure youve seen his name as #1 on leaderboards as soon as you pull up the rotogrinders site. I dont care how smart you are or how much you know about sports, in order to place that well in fields of 100k+ you are doing SOMETHING that should NOT be allowed. Anyone who has any thoughts on this please post. I would really like to know what other people think about this. Maybe its just me, I dont know but it seems statistically improbable for him to place like that in multiple tournaments different weeks in such BIG FIELDS

  • petesdynasty

    Mark the shark, more like mark the fish.

    For real though, did you read any of the rules to these contests before you entered them or?

    Secondly, China wants its wall back.

    And lastly, if your living was based off dfs I’m sure you’d be following in the footsteps of maxdalury.

  • dauis

    I love the “someone is winning too much money so ban whatever they’re doing” line. It’s ridiculous. I especially love the line “I dont care how smart you are or how much you know about sports, in order to place that well in fields of 100k+ you are doing SOMETHING that should NOT be allowed.” What is he doing that shouldn’t be allowed? You can’t even name what shouldn’t be allowed. It’s like the kid that loses and cries that it’s “not fair.” Also, he doesn’t KNOW for sure that he’ll do well and cash. There are weeks where he (and everyone else) has a bad week and loses more than they put in. However, he is better than most so he has more weeks where he has better lineups than the average player. If you were as good as he was, you would do the same thing and enter as many lineups as you could. This post reeks of jealousy.

  • sports_nerd

    No need for another thread on him IMO. Just look through the forums and you will find plenty of information on him. His entries, his algorithms, all within the rules. I’ve beaten his lineups before and I’m a pen and paper grinder that does alright and has fun with DFS. However I should probably switch to pencil, it would save on the paper.

  • smutpeddlers

    Also no need to belittle MarktheShark because he is frustrated. He has been on this site for 4 days and is expressing what most or others have seen in threads on here. You could instead of mocking him and calling him jealous, lead him to a forum that has been established which could help his thought process and like mindedness. All this does is make the guy not want to post. He was looking for affirmation that others think it’s annoying and unfair. Looking for other that have same opinion. So to the people being douches, that think their cooler then the new guy at school because he doesn’t sit at the right lunch table. This will make people not want to be part of this community. If the shoe fits where it…..if not then I’m not talking a out you.

  • xandamere

    He’s been on a really good run. Other times you’ll go weeks without seeing him land a big score. He’s not cheating, he’s just very, very good at what he does.

    Yes, he’s a top player. Perhaps THE top player (certainly by volume and most likely by overall $ winnings). But if it wasn’t him, somebody else would be there. It’s easy to paint on a target on the back of whoever is #1 in anything.

  • BobGrinder

    I check his lineups sometimes to try and glean make up tips and I can tell you he had 7x $1060 buy in GPP this week that all missed the money.

    The man used his brain and wrote his own analysis software. You could do the same thing…or not…whatever.

  • xandamere

    @smutpeddlers said...

    Also no need to belittle MarktheShark because he is frustrated. He has been OK this site for 4 days and is expressing what most or others have seen in threads on here. You could instead of mocking him and calling hI’m jealous lead him to a forum that has been established which could help his thought process. All this does is make the guy not want to post. He was looking for affirmation that others think it’s annoying and unfair. Looking for other that have same opinion. So to the people being douches, that think their cooler then the new guy at school because he doesn’t sit at the right lunch table. This will make people not want to be part of this community. If the shoe fits where it…..if not then I’m not talking a out you.

    Eh, I mean I’m all for being nice on the forums and I agree with everything you’ve said about new community members, but when you start a thread by saying somebody else is cheating, that isn’t a great way to start a productive conversation.

  • dauis

    @xandamere said...

    He’s been on a really good run. Other times you’ll go weeks without seeing him land a big score. He’s not cheating, he’s just very, very good at what he does.

    Yes, he’s a top player. Perhaps THE top player (certainly by volume and most likely by overall $ winnings). But if it wasn’t him, somebody else would be there. It’s easy to paint on a target on the back of whoever is #1 in anything.

    Exactly. Why try and say he shouldn’t be able to do the things that make him successful? Whoever is on top shouldn’t be accused of cheating. They should provide incentive to get better at your own game.

  • JEFFRAMBO

    // begin fictional story:

    Imagine you wake up one day and find the joy that is Daily Fantasy Sports. You think to yourself, “Man… I can really turn my knowledge of sports coupled with statistics and complex mathematical models into profit! Let me give it a shot!”

    You then deposit a few dollars and just like that, you strike it big in a contest. You then do it again with the same results. Then a third time and guess what? Same results.

    So now you’ve hit it big on 3 attempts and just grossed what you would in a typical salaried year in just a few short days. So now you are convinced you have what it takes to do it full-time.

    As you begin on your full-time stint as a professional DFS player… a light bulb goes off. “What if I could essentially bottle this recipe of mine and take all of the grunt work out of it?” So you then hire a few freelancers to take your mechanism of play (e.g. risk tolerance, style of player selection, research elements, etc.) to create a complex model + script. An automated version of you essentially… and you now have a license to print money — on most days, not all… but most.

    // fictional story over.

    That’s my view on it. When people are good at things they keep at it and automate the process to allow continued greatness in that area.

    Steph Curry is good at shooting from beyond the arch because he practices it with his eyes closed from the same spot 70 times in practice before moving to the next spot. Is that an unfair advantage to his opponents? No it isn’t. His opponents simply aren’t grinding hard enough to have the desire, will, or dedication to their craft to be in the gym practicing with the same work ethic and unconventional methods.

    Look at all of the full-time pros in this industry that have hit at least one big score. They all came from humble beginnings but once their dedication to their process (or in some instances- pure luck) paid off, what did most do? They branded themselves as a pro and created their own brands; touting picks, projections, seminars, advice, strategy etc. Maxdalury is no different other than the fact that he views his methods as proprietary information and elects not to tout it for financial benefit. Truthfully I respect him more for that than if he were to be selling it to hedge on his off-days.

    Everyone here is one big score away from being the vilified one versus the “vilifier” themselves.

  • smutpeddlers

    But on the other note Shark, I don’t think he’s cheating. She probably mass entering using scripts and he is playing within the rules as far as we know. He probably has algorithms that spit out great lineups and he uses a core group of players and .diverifies the other players around him. He’s good…… real good.

  • wildcats2895

    if you could afford to put in 200 lu in a 27$ tourney I’m sure you would cash a lot in them too unless you were clueless in your lu consruction

  • MikeMineo

    he’s just very, very good at building his player pool, with the resources to account for variance around the handful of guys he has a lot of exposure to. some days his core players go off and he does awesome. he isn’t doing anything against the rules; he’s just good at making lineups, and he makes lots of them.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @smutpeddlers said...

    Also no need to belittle MarktheShark because he is frustrated. He has been on this site for 4 days and is expressing what most or others have seen in threads on here. You could instead of mocking him and calling him jealous, lead him to a forum that has been established which could help his thought process and like mindedness. All this does is make the guy not want to post. He was looking for affirmation that others think it’s annoying and unfair. Looking for other that have same opinion. So to the people being douches, that think their cooler then the new guy at school because he doesn’t sit at the right lunch table. This will make people not want to be part of this community. If the shoe fits where it…..if not then I’m not talking a out you.

    Well said man! I can’t stand ‘online bullies’ either. We were all new once upon a time.

  • madmanjayWV

    Obviously he has “EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION” from FANDUEL to use scripts I assume.

  • DoughSavant

    Would anyone be surprised if this guy has some type of insider knowledge?

    Over the summer I played a MLB survivor contest. He made around 220 teams and ALL OF THEM made the top 40%. Same for the second round. Felt I was cheated out of my money(long time gambler, almost never feel that way). The lack of transparency is a major turnoff.

  • xandamere

    @DoughSavant said...

    Would anyone be surprised if this guy has some type of insider knowledge?

    Over the summer I played a MLB survivor contest. He made around 220 teams and ALL OF THEM made the top 40%. Same for the second round. Felt I was cheated out of my money(long time gambler, almost never feel that way). The lack of transparency is a major turnoff.

    That’s because he tends to focus on a small core of players each day. So, if his core hit, then yeah, all of his lineups would make it through the early rounds of a survivor contest, which is basically like a double-up at that point.

  • MarkThaShark

    so you think someone that comes up with algorithms to do his work for him is ok? and computer scripts to mass edit and enter line ups? It takes me an hour to make 20 good line ups. And if what he is doing is 100% legit then good for him. Ive placed in over %50 of contests that I’ve entered, I just dont get how you he or ANYONE could be so CONSISTENT in tournaments with such HUGE fields. Thats all I was trying to say. Just seems really unlikely to me. I mean I could research every player and every match up and even the type of weather and who performs well in this state and this weather and ETC ETC ETC, just seems so uncomprehensible to me that someone could enter 200 lineups and and place top 200 in 100 of the line ups. And I see the upside of submitting 200 lineups to a tourney that pays million to 1st place, but as I said I was in baseball tournament that he had submitted 200 $27 lineups to that only paid out 12k to 1st place. Just seems crazy to me cause in his head he had to of TRULY thought that half of his lineups would finish in top 200 to pull any profit whatsoever. And its just hard for me to believe that anyone could be that confident and start the same 2 pitchers in 150 of them. One pitcher chokes and %80 of your entries are doomed. I mean I guess whatever hes doing is great for him. Not saying he should be banned if what he is doing is allowed. I could see if someone was submitting 200 lineups and getting maybe 10 of them in the top 50 every other week or so, but not as often as top 10 or top 5 finishes he gets.

  • MarkThaShark

    I said whatever he is doing should not be allowed. Never said he was cheating cause he isnt. But I bet there are plenty of people that disagree that using computer scripts and algorithms should be allowed

  • DoughSavant

    @xandamere said...

    That’s because he tends to focus on a small core of players each day. So, if his core hit, then yeah, all of his lineups would make it through the early rounds of a survivor contest, which is basically like a double-up at that point.

    NO, he had many different combinations and they all passed the first round. I was very suspicious when all of his teams with Mike Leake made the first cut. I also chose Mike Leake in many of my lineups, but about 90% of them did not make the first cut.

    I used advanced stats, logic, and research in my picks, and did not understand how 90-99% of my teams with Mike Leake did not make the first cut, but all of Maxdalury’s Mike Leake teams made it pass the first round.

    There were many other examples of suspicious activity in that contest, but the mods deleted the post.

    Who knows what type of corruption goes on when the top DFS Players meet DFS employees. The employees are untrustworthy.

  • smutpeddlers

    Your missing how he generates his lineups. He usually has 80% to 100% exposure to his core players. Since he can put in 200 lineups he wins big or loses big. I’ve seen both spectrums. As of right now scripting is allowed if authorized by the site so can’t argue there. Ill link a page whee he had 100 percent exposure to some players in the NFL milli. And could have lost his shirt if they have a bad game. He trusts his process and goes for it.

  • smutpeddlers

    @MarkThaShark said...

    I said whatever he is doing should not be allowed. Never said he was cheating cause he isnt. But I bet there are plenty of people that disagree that using computer scripts and algorithms should be allowed

    Yes sir. I took as doing something that should not be allowed as meaning cheating. I read it wrong….. There are tons of threads with this debate. You’ll see both sides. People who agree and other that say he boosts the pots on the days he does bad.

  • MarkThaShark

    Anyone that says he boosts the pot is a moron LOL. All the contests will fill up with or without one persons 500 lineups. And to the guy talking about him using 80 to 100% exposure on his core players i know. I guess I just havnt seen the times that a few of those players have had bad day. The reason I OBVIOUSLY think something is up is because literally EVERY time ive seen him in anything 80% of his 200+ line ups have all BEASTED and each player went off. Have not seen one time where his players put up under 10 points in a baseball contest. Ill say it one more time…..I just dont see how its possible that you could over and over submit hundreds of line ups with same core players and NOT ONCE do any of those core players have a bad game. But also as I said before it is sports and there is absolutely no possibly way he could know what was going to happen before it did happen. So basically im just baffled. Maybe I dont know enough about algorithms or something. Just think even with unlimited data that it would still be very hard to do as well as he does in massive field tourneys

  • FightingIrishND

    The term you are looking for is scripting. Users were found to have been cheating by using scripts/coding but the sites changed their TOS to accommodate those players.

  • MarkThaShark

    If I had spend 12 hours in a day to collect enough information to come up with core players that were always going to perform then I would do it. There is just no way to know this though, yet somehow he manages to pull it off like its nothing. Hopefully soon I will see 180 of his 200 lineups failing cause his 2 pitchers in 180 of the line ups gave up 4 earned in the 1st and got taken out. Ive yet to see it though. If i picked Arietta in 180 of my line ups, he would give up 5 in the 1st. Thats how it would work out for me. I guess it is HIGH risk HIGH REWARD. I’ll leave this thread alone now though. GL everyone

  • smutpeddlers

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/analyzing-maxdalury-s-week-3-mm-lineups-856284

    If Maxs pick of Cobb puts up dud and someone else then his lineup in this instance is shit. I’m not defending how he does it bc I don’t have that bankroll or knowledge but it’s impressive.

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