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  • DFSx42

    I came here with popcorn in hand but was pretty shocked to find no discussion of it.

    Worst part about it is that DK has an obvious case of cheating and yet promotes the win.

    This is just horrible. This tweet here sums it perfectly.

    https://twitter.com/williambierman/status/1214015801721868288?s=19

    Vote with your wallets folks. Boycott Draft Kings. We can’t just continue to sit back, watch this and continue paying rake when there’s so many other options out there.

  • FantasySultan

    Which one of you just called boomer and gio? ;)

  • bkamm1

    On a bit of a side note here as we all know this is obvious collusion. Is anyone else laughing at the irony of “social media influencers” possibly losing the million because they just cant keep from self promotion. Just make your “wifes account” under some random name with a random picture and stay off Twitter and no one notices you have a million bucks now.

  • gvn2fly1421

    @bkamm1 said...

    On a bit of a side note here as we all know this is obvious collusion. Is anyone else laughing at the irony of “social media influencers” possibly losing the million because they just cant keep from self promotion. Just make your “wifes account” under some random name with a random picture and stay off Twitter and no one notices you have a million bucks now.

    Exactly… I love their quote that was in the CNN article…

    “We respect that DraftKings feels they must do their due diligence in regard to Jade winning their $1 million dollar prize for the fantasy contest for the NFL’s wild-card round this weekend,” said the statement. “Though we must ponder, would the questions, accusations and curiosity about this win be the same if the winner had been male and someone who wasn’t already in the public eye? It is incredibly important for us to establish that Jade’s win is nothing more than pure luck and we are confident that DraftKings will determine the same.”

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @tristanwolf said...

    Fan Duel execs watching this unfold…

    And then their Sportsbook would go down/stop working again due to technical issues

  • LegiaWwa

    @gvn2fly1421 said...

    Exactly… I love their quote that was in the CNN article…

    “We respect that DraftKings feels they must do their due diligence in regard to Jade winning their $1 million dollar prize for the fantasy contest for the NFL’s wild-card round this weekend,” said the statement. “Though we must ponder, would the questions, accusations and curiosity about this win be the same if the winner had been male and someone who wasn’t already in the public eye? It is incredibly important for us to establish that Jade’s win is nothing more than pure luck and we are confident that DraftKings will determine the same.”

    Pure luck? But, but, but, game of skill!!!

  • ferrara316

    @FantasySultan said...

    Which one of you just called boomer and gio? ;)

    I listen to Boomer and Gio all the time. Damn I missed this. What was said?

  • emnj69

    dfs will sadly end up getting banned in some states NY already did it once-it will happen again

  • Tbn55

    To me this is so simple. Can they prove collusion here? No. Can this be prevented in the future? Not completely. Are there things that can be done to limit it. Yes.
    1. People living in the same household should not be able to both max enter a contest.
    2. People who are married should not be able to each max enter contest.

    You can not indeed say they worked together, no matter what the math says. But I know this much, a married couple relies on the same revenue stream according to the IRS. With that being the case, of course they are “colluding”, just not necessarily by the definition of DK. But improvements can be made upon this and lessons can be learned. Married couples should face restrictions with their limits. End of story.

  • eipsallig

    You cant put regulations on a player just because they married. I think they colluded, no doubt about it, but DK wont do anything about it. The Tanner guy was just dumb about it, and like another poster said, they cant stay off twitter. Is there a way to see how much Jade’s account was played before the wild card weekend?

  • depalma13

    They didn’t collude. He played all 300 lineups.

  • WhiteyJones8

    @eipsallig said...

    You cant put regulations on a player just because they married. I think they colluded, no doubt about it, but DK wont do anything about it. The Tanner guy was just dumb about it, and like another poster said, they cant stay off twitter. Is there a way to see how much Jade’s account was played before the wild card weekend?

    Based on their play history they likely did this the entire season. They pretty much maxed the Milly in both accounts almost every week. In some ways, a better excuse for them might just be that they didn’t know this wasn’t allowed.

  • WhiteyJones8

    I can name several examples (even well known people in the industry) who have either openly colluded with another account. (Think Condia/1ucror) or people who qualified to a live final on their wife’s account.

  • traction

    @depalma13 said...

    They didn’t collude. He played all 300 lineups.

    This is exactly what happened.

  • Unico10

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    @depalma13 said...

    They didn’t collude. He played all 300 lineups.

    Actually 400 if we include beast mode

  • 1greatbuyz

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      2014 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @traction said...

    @depalma13 said…

    This is exactly what happened.

    Absolutely correct, there was no collusion. This falls under multi-accounting.

  • emnj69

    @eipsallig said...

    You cant put regulations on a player just because they married. I think they colluded, no doubt about it, but DK wont do anything about it. The Tanner guy was just dumb about it, and like another poster said, they cant stay off twitter. Is there a way to see how much Jade’s account was played before the wild card weekend?

    has nothing to do with the fact they are married -the fact they are married and in the “public” made it easier to see what transpired and makes it harder to defend for them

  • FantasySultan

    @WhiteyJones8 said...

    I can name several examples (even well known people in the industry) who have either openly colluded with another account. (Think Condia/1ucror) or people who qualified to a live final on their wife’s account.

    just getting into this now….but i don’t think any of us are naïve enough to think that people max entering are NOT also max entering with all their “buddies” to get as much exposure as possible.

    we’ve all said this…but maybe this is what it took to finally have something done about it.

    problem is…what can really be done?

  • Rasmus

    @depalma13 said...

    They didn’t collude. He played all 300 lineups.

    sdfgsdfg

  • tristanwolf

    @Rasmus said...

    I understand that violating the rules of a game is never a good thing and should be punished.
    Still i don’t get all the excitement about this. If he played just 150 lineups the expcted value of every single entry you did would still be the same. And it would be the same if he entered 3000 lineups. The expected value of villain’s lineups also doesn’t increase if he enters some hundred more lineups, it actually decreases with every lineup he enters more than one.
    If the 150 illegal extra slots would be filled with randoms instead of the actual pro lineups your chances to win a million would have been exactly the same (maybe 0.000001% more likely).
    Save your energy for what really draines your money and that is the rake and ur lack of skill. The pro’s and their lineups won’t go away, no matter how this case will end or how the rules are enforced by dk.

    on a 4 game slate? this is completely wrong

  • bhdevault

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    This is a good listen. Dan makes so many solid points:

    https://rotogrinders.com/podcasts/daily-fantasy-fix-dan-back-analyzes-bachelor-milly-maker-controversy-3256271

  • FantasySultan

    @Rasmus said...

    I understand that violating the rules of a game is never a good thing and should be punished.
    Still i don’t get all the excitement about this. If he played just 150 lineups the expcted value of every single entry you did would still be the same. And it would be the same if he entered 3000 lineups. The expected value of villain’s lineups also doesn’t increase if he enters some hundred more lineups, it actually decreases with every lineup he enters more than one.
    If the 150 illegal extra slots would be filled with randoms instead of the actual pro lineups your chances to win a million would have been exactly the same (maybe 0.000001% more likely).
    Save your energy for what really draines your money and that is the rake and ur lack of skill. The pro’s and their lineups won’t go away, no matter how this case will end or how the rules are enforced by dk.

    On a small slate?

  • bkamm1

    Im not the math guy so someone else may have to jump in on the numbers of this but I believe you are wrong on your assumption. Yes, someone else would have filled the spots so your chance of winning based on the number of entrants is correct, its still 1 in 150,000 or whatever. The problem is by correlating lineups you have 150 more unique lineups to compete against meaning the chances of your score coming in first drops as more of the likely outcomes are covered as the lineups entered are all unique. If one were to look over an analysis of ownership and all 300 lineups fell for the most part in line with the overall field then there wouldnt be much of a problem. By having unique lineups they have made it harder as more possible combinations are now covered in a contest that has such a top heavy payout. If this were a 14 game slate it wouldnt be as big if an issue but in a 4 game it is. They essentially spread them out among all QB’s so that they had 45-50 lineups with the one QB who went off, generally speaking of course. Your chance of winning is still the same (based on # entries), the chance of you having the highest scoring lineup is different (based on combinations of players lineups cover using this strategy)

  • gravycakes

    Has anyone heard of DK crediting players for previous collusion cases? They make it clear they don’t discuss integrity cases so the question is…where does the $1,000,000 go if they’re caught? They should at least be clear as to what happens to the funds.

  • slicktornewman

    @bhdevault said...

    This is a good listen. Dan makes so many solid points:

    https://rotogrinders.com/podcasts/daily-fantasy-fix-dan-back-analyzes-bachelor-milly-maker-controversy-3256271

    Yes definitely a good listen. Dan admits many things most of us already knew, DK’s community guidelines are a farce and pros are definitely working together in every kind of contest, from single entry up to 150 entry contests. At least a respected industry insider (not sure that’s the right description but all I could think of) is speaking out about it. Good job Mr Back.

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @Rasmus said...

    I understand that violating the rules of a game is never a good thing and should be punished.
    Still i don’t get all the excitement about this. If he played just 150 lineups the expcted value of every single entry you did would still be the same. And it would be the same if he entered 3000 lineups. The expected value of villain’s lineups also doesn’t increase if he enters some hundred more lineups, it actually decreases with every lineup he enters more than one.
    If the 150 illegal extra slots would be filled with randoms instead of the actual pro lineups your chances to win a million would have been exactly the same (maybe 0.000001% more likely).
    Save your energy for what really draines your money and that is the rake and ur lack of skill. The pro’s and their lineups won’t go away, no matter how this case will end or how the rules are enforced by dk.

    The point is it’s against the rules. Your math is meaningless.

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