INDUSTRY FORUM

Comments

  • DFSx42

    I came here with popcorn in hand but was pretty shocked to find no discussion of it.

    Worst part about it is that DK has an obvious case of cheating and yet promotes the win.

    This is just horrible. This tweet here sums it perfectly.

    https://twitter.com/williambierman/status/1214015801721868288?s=19

    Vote with your wallets folks. Boycott Draft Kings. We can’t just continue to sit back, watch this and continue paying rake when there’s so many other options out there.

  • bure10

    @take1234 said...

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4Qxu8Rl_J5/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
    caption:
    “…..This room is used a lot as it’s where I record interviews for Mommies Tell All and where Tanner does all his fantasy football spreadsheets…..”
    9 weeks ago

    Wasnt she max entering the milli maker 9 weeks ago lol

  • stv1313

    • 985

      RG Overall Ranking

    On August 3, 2016, New York Governor Andrew M. Cuomo signed into law a measure legalizing the operation of Interactive Fantasy Sports (a popular form of which is called Daily Fantasy Sports) in New York State.

    The law establishes a regulatory framework for the New York State Gaming Commission’s oversight of Interactive Fantasy Sports and implements important consumer protections and safeguards for both players and operators against fraud and abuse.

    At the time, various states started patting themselves on the back for helping to give “the little guy” a fighting chance in the world of DFS. Among other things, the 150 entry limit was introduced. Yet, even when it becomes obvious that someone is exhibiting fraud and abuse and blatantly cheating, there really isn’t anything that we can do about it – because it can’t be proven with 100% certainty.

    It’s rather sad.

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @mambaland said...

    1. its not against the law
    2. its quiet because others who do it wont speak out
    3. its been going on for years
    4. there are so many suits pending now vs sites i am not sure if that will influence them..hell you see lawyers trolling players begging to sue on their behalf..i know at least a dozen who have signed up but its like a gamble..if they pay they pay if not you lose nothing LOL and no rake on those suits

    Fraud isnt against the law? Huh.

  • Kingspark35

    I like RG ResultsDB.

    It shows me that the first six in the millymaker were unique. no dups.

    It shows me that some RG members had a nice day and came close to a great day, even with a small number of entries.

  • IronMonkey415

    Times like this I wish I have a burrito brother.

  • Pandamonious

    • Ranked #55

      RG Tiered Ranking

    • Moderator

    • 2020 Blogger of the Month

    @1greatbuyz said...

    How about we put them on Springer and subject them to a lie detector test!

    Put them on Maury and give the line up a DNA test.

  • HoodsFromTheWood

    Just binge-watched 5 seasons of The Bachelorette.
    Feel real good about my line-ups

  • IronMonkey415

    I’ll imagine you are my burrito brother giving me that rose.

  • wolfjb1

    @dictator_teddy said...

    Any trial attorneys here?

    Let’s say this goes to trial. The image from the Bachelor with her holding up a sign that says she doesn’t like her husband’s time spent playing fantasy football.

    How do you defend that? Oh that was months ago, now I love fantasy football and play thousands of dollars each slate and max entry? I mean, sure there is not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Tanner played both accounts simultaneously. But in a civil court, don’t you only need to prove a probable cause?

    If you bring in a few high volume DFS witnesses during trial, they can explain to the retards in the jury how unlikely two people build 300 LU and not have any overlap without collusion, especially with the way the player distributions matched up? On top of that, how many weekly max entry players (minimum a $3k a week habit) do not have any social media presence in the world of DFS or ever mentions playing DFS before this moment? Instead, anything in the past has her bemoaning the fact that Tanner plays fantasy football.

    I’m a trial lawyer. I’d love to have them on the stand at trial. The standard is preponderance of the evidence, so, you’re right that you basically need to paint the picture of what happened and basically show the jury all the signs that point to collusion and let the jury render their decision.

    With that said, I’m not sure DK wins if this goes all the way to an actual jury trial. If I represented Jade now, I’d already have a demand letter out to them saying in effect “pay my clients immediately, or I will file suit within 10 days.” My primary argument on their behalf would be estoppel. In plain English, my argument if I represented them, would be that DK let them do this for 17 prior weeks, so they waived the chance to go after them. If DK let it happen 17 prior times, DK lost the chance to suddenly, this time, decide the conduct wasn’t OK. Obviously DK didn’t know about it the prior 17 times because they didn’t win; but that’s ancillary to the basic estoppel argument which is about DK not enforcing its own rules.

    (Of course I don’t represent them and none of this is actual legal advice)

  • keephustlincuz

    @wolfjb1 said...

    I’m a trial lawyer

    I am not a lawyer but I did watch lots of Matlock and Murder, She wrote as a kid.

    I appreciate your feedback and agree with your theory. I am sure they have already obtained legal counsel and they are cooking up a story for her to tell.

    If she were to be put on the stand and questioned… would it not make sense for her to say I entered all the lineups on my own in the last 17 weeks as I did in week 18.

    Unless there is a smoking gun.. the jury would have to take her word for it.

    Are we sure that dk hasn’t paid her yet?

  • Zieg30

    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @wolfjb1 said...

    Obviously DK didn’t know about it the prior 17 times because they didn’t win; but that’s ancillary to the basic estoppel argument which is about DK not enforcing its own rules.

    Doesn’t seem the least bit ancillary. I would think they’d need to prove DK KNEW about their conduct the prior 17 times and let it happen, and thus now DK cannot suddenly enforce their TOS when the circumstances have not truly changed.

    It gets murky if there was a simple way for DK to identify such conduct, but ultimately I don’t think there is an onus on the company to proactively figure out in every case whether there are players colluding against their many-million-strong player base or otherwise lose the opportunity to enforce their own rules.

    But anyway, this is a bit of a tangent from the main discussion.

  • klubba575

    No response from DK for a couple days on a large scandal. Three days later….. “Hey guys, we changed the mobile app around and the contest entry page now looks like cluttered garbage!!! Talk about that instead please.”

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    Nothing will happen like always DK will just sweep this under the rug just like all the other identical scandals.

  • madmanjayWV

    @stv1313 said...

    On August 3, 2016, New York Governor Andrew M. Cuomo signed into law a measure legalizing the operation of Interactive Fantasy Sports (a popular form of which is called Daily Fantasy Sports) in New York State.

    The law establishes a regulatory framework for the New York State Gaming Commission’s oversight of Interactive Fantasy Sports and implements important consumer protections and safeguards for both players and operators against fraud and abuse.

    At the time, various states started patting themselves on the back for helping to give “the little guy” a fighting chance in the world of DFS. Among other things, the 150 entry limit was introduced. Yet, even when it becomes obvious that someone is exhibiting fraud and abuse and blatantly cheating, there really isn’t anything that we can do about it – because it can’t be proven with 100% certainty.

    It’s rather sad.

    Don’t be a H8R…it’s good for business and the bottom line…just b/c it’s not yours………..

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    ALSODID DK PAY THE BABE OUT YET???????

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    I can’t get past the first 35 seconds
    Didn’t see this until I was at work this afternoon —
    Just now getting a chance to VIEW IT – i can’t get past the first 35 seconds.. Mr. Peter Christensen kudos 2 u SIR

    EXCELLENT NEWS… Cash it out IMMEDIATELY!”

    There may be a slight ISSUE

    “General Randone appears to have outed us on Twitter”……

    THIS still has just ONE DOWNVOTE — wonder WHO?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpjY8-AZLdI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1vN8GFmJxUQRyKtmYVdPsJT2HmScI1jdW-pB05wLtsgejYvpH5RtrOv1o

    THE TRUE GOLD TAKE AWAY is just prior to 55 secs FYI

    Pure insanely awesome “Any peasant still playing on just one DraftKings account, leave the room now”

    ABOUT shizzled MYSELF “she doesn’t even know what a DRAFTKINGS CROWN IS” —- bout choked on my #COPE — good LORD so funny…and the Derek Carty line….what a GEMSTONE

    2:50+ mark —— This video has got to win some AWARD… “Why didn’t we try this on FanDuel instead? They don’t even have a complicance team.”……….LMFAO

  • zline34

    @superstars92 said...

    Well yes, everyone knows if you submit more entries you have a better chance to win. Your example is like saying if you buy more lottery tickets, you have a better chance to win the lottery. However, the thing here is how much does it improve your EV. It would only do so if your 151st-300th lineups are +EV on average. That’s just the math behind it. Otherwise, everyone would just buy as many lottery tickets as they can, but obviously, most won’t do this since they understand the math. All lottery tickets are -EV in this case, which makes it slightly different, so that’s why you have to know if your 151st-300th lineups are +EV or not.

    The question here isn’t really about improving EV or winning, I actually think it’s more of a rules or ethics thing. To make it about winning is bad because that would feed into the “no one cared until we won” argument, but actually if you know a few people on here, they’ve always cared, regardless if the colluders won or not.

    That’s why theDude, based on his previous posts, wouldn’t be that satisfied even if they just took away her prize and gave it to 2nd, because it doesn’t solve the larger issue.

    I’m assuming the 150 extra lineups was the 4 game slate. An extra 150 lineups on a 4 game slate is the most +EV thing anyone can do. Literally you can’t get anymore GTO. Now, what’s funny to me is sometime in the mid season a dudes wife won the Milly on this forum and I guarantee he did the same thing. Built her lineups for her. You don’t have to be good at DFS to win the Milly on a 4 gamer with an extra 150 lineups. Now, if we were talking about a 10 gamer NBA slate. You’d still need to be good to maintain a win rate. But, you give me 300 lineups on a 4 gamer in NFL i’m placing top 1% every single time. Every single time.

  • bigez952

    Still no official response that I have seen from DK on this issue. We should start up a pool to predict the day that they break their silence with a statement of “We take game integrity very seriously and are activitly investigating this issue. However we can’t comment on investigations so you will hear nothing else from us”. Then it would be even more classic if Jade and Tanner enter another 300 lineups this weekend and Tanner takes down the million this time around. I am sure they are not dumb enough to enter 300 lineups again this weekend but it would be funny if they did and won back to back.

  • tomac

    I believe there has a been a TOS update since this happened, but the similarities are endless, including spouses circumventing an entry limit:

    https://rotogrinders.com/articles/dfbc-2013-recap-pepsi7-and-k-lim-take-top-3-157067

  • Wander_Bread

    Did they get paid? May be able to tell based on the number of social media promotion posts that put up this over the next few weeks if they need to replace the cash!

  • WhiteyJones8

    @tomac said...

    I believe there has a been a TOS update since this happened, but the similarities are endless, including spouses circumventing an entry limit:

    https://rotogrinders.com/articles/dfbc-2013-recap-pepsi7-and-k-lim-take-top-3-157067

    Funny thing is that if just by pure dumb luck He put the winning lineups under his account instead of hers no one even notices and we aren’t even having this conversation.

    They’ve been doing this all season and DK never said a word. It makes you wonder how often this happens.

    Also, I wish there was a way to run anonymous polls on here. I bet at least a percentage of people in this very thread have created an account for a friend or relative and absolutely crushed 50 beginner contests then cashed out.

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    @bigez952 said...

    Still no official response that I have seen from DK on this issue. We should start up a pool to predict the day that they break their silence with a statement of “We take game integrity very seriously and are activitly investigating this issue. However we can’t comment on investigations so you will hear nothing else from us”. Then it would be even more classic if Jade and Tanner enter another 300 lineups this weekend and Tanner takes down the million this time around. I am sure they are not dumb enough to enter 300 lineups again this weekend but it would be funny if they did and won back to back.

    How long do you reasonably expect it to take to complete an investigation like this? Just curious as I personally have no idea.

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @WhiteyJones8 said...

    Funny thing is that if just by pure dumb luck He put the winning lineups under his account instead of hers no one even notices and we aren’t even having this conversation.

    They’ve been doing this all season and DK never said a word. It makes you wonder how often this happens.

    Also, I wish there was a way to run anonymous polls on here. I bet at least a percentage of people in this very thread have created an account for a friend or relative and absolutely crushed 50 beginner contests then cashed out.

    This goes back to one of three options with DK. 1. They have the data and they know people are colluding and they just arent doing anything about it 2. They arent looking for it like they should be with all the available tools at their disposal. 3. They are finding people colluding but “investigate” and are somehow convinced despite the data that the excuses they are given by the players are plausible, and the collusion continues.

    Any other possible options here? None that I can think of off the top of my head.

    EDIT: Or a possible combination of those options I listed. In addition, every podcast, every interview, every vlog I’ve seen interviewing respected DFS players have been very specific on one thing. And that is everyone knows collusion is happening. That’s not me saying it, that is highly intelligent, highly successful DFS players saying it.

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @sochoice said...

    How long do you reasonably expect it to take to complete an investigation like this? Just curious as I personally have no idea.

    I say take their time and do it right. It’s more than just investigating this incident. It’s also how to deal with the possible fallout from whatever decision they arrive at, along with possible future rule changes, along with dealing with their lawyers. So I’m sure there is a lot involved here.

  • Xmas32

    Was watching Daily Wager on ESPN last night and they said the story got 1.5 million click views on ESPN.com which is a giant number. I would imagine the high limit guys are hoping and praying the winner gets the million because he’s a huge donator at high stakes apparently. If the milly gets paid out we’ll probably see a situation like when Jamie Gold went on High Stakes Poker.

  • bigez952

    @sochoice said...

    How long do you reasonably expect it to take to complete an investigation like this? Just curious as I personally have no idea.

    They are a data company and assuming they have easy access to all past data, I would think that they could come up with a conclusion fairly quickly if they feel there was collusion going on or not. As thedude404 said most of the time is probably coming up with a plan of how to deal with the fallout / waiting for this to just go away.

  • WhiteyJones8

    @thedude404 said...

    This goes back to one of three options with DK. 1. They have the data and they know people are colluding and they just arent doing anything about it 2. They arent looking for it like they should be with all the available tools at their disposal. 3. They are finding people colluding but “investigate” and are somehow convinced despite the data that the excuses they are given by the players are plausible, and the collusion continues.

    Any other possible options here? None that I can think of off the top of my head.

    EDIT: Or a possible combination of those options I listed. In addition, every podcast, every interview, every vlog I’ve seen interviewing respected DFS players have been very specific on one thing. And that is everyone knows collusion is happening. That’s not me saying it, that is highly intelligent, highly successful DFS players saying it.

    I honestly think DK (and FD) backed themselves into a corner on this issue almost from day one and never recovered.

    From the very beginning you’ve had Condia/1Ucror, Csuram/Birdwings, Pepsi7/Klim, etc

    Back then the sites did nothing because they wanted Condia’s money so it was a huge invite to anyone else that wanted to create a second account.

    The sites always said, there’s nothing we can do, we verified these are two real people and each entitled to their own account.

    At that point the natural progression is Chipotle/Papagates where two brothers work together. Again, the sites said, this is ok with us they are two separate people.

    Now we are here and to be honest this isn’t all that different.

    These are two people who each have their own account. That puts the ball in the sites court to prove collusion and you really can’t because despite all the evidence in the world there is always some excuse that people can make and usually by the time DK/FD catch someone they are already playing so much volume that the site doesn’t want to put a stop to it.

  • X Unread Thread
  • X Thread with New Replies*
  • *Jumps to your first unread reply

Subforum Index

RotoGrinders.com is the home of the daily fantasy sports community. Our content, rankings, member blogs, promotions and forum discussion all cater to the players that like to create a new fantasy team every day of the week.

If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL). Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (NJ/WV/PA/MI), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-888-532-3500 (VA) or call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN).