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  • DFSx42

    I came here with popcorn in hand but was pretty shocked to find no discussion of it.

    Worst part about it is that DK has an obvious case of cheating and yet promotes the win.

    This is just horrible. This tweet here sums it perfectly.

    https://twitter.com/williambierman/status/1214015801721868288?s=19

    Vote with your wallets folks. Boycott Draft Kings. We can’t just continue to sit back, watch this and continue paying rake when there’s so many other options out there.

  • gvn2fly1421

    I understand that the Bachelor people have not been paid yet, what about everyone else in the contest? Anyone know? I would think if first is possibly DQ’d, the rest of the field would shift up, no?

  • WhiteyJones8

    @gvn2fly1421 said...

    I understand that the Bachelor people have not been paid yet, what about everyone else in the contest? Anyone know? I would think if first is possibly DQ’d, the rest of the field would shift up, no?

    A lot of people are just focused on the lineup that won. They played 300 lineups. If you remove first you have to remove them all right?

    In theory that’s not a huge cost to DK if they don’t pay out the couple.

    That brings up an interesting counter argument though. If the couples entries are void then they also get a $25*300=$7500 refund.

    While we are at it, they played 150 each all season which is $300*$20*17=$102,000 (minus whatever they won).

    That’s the crazy thing. DK allegedly has a game integrity unto but they’ve taken over $100K in entries from these two without ever noticing?

  • btwice80

    @bigez952 said...

    High volume MME prefer too heavy contests as they know they only need a couple hits to make an entire season whereas if the payouts were flat they would have to tighten up their player pool and consistently be good to make lots of money.

    No. Every single MME player I’ve heard talk about it greatly prefers flatter prize structures. It’s the casual players that aren’t on forums and such that want the top heavy contests.

  • bozzburg

    @jjwd said...

    this is a preposterous idea which would effectively end dfs

    @bozzburg said…

    This is a really easy fix. Make everything SE.

    this is a preposterous idea which would effectively end dfs

    I think you would be wrong about that sir. I’ve played in high dollar SE contests and even MAX ENTER 3 contests and those are riddled with shark DFS players who also play ME GPP’s. All ME contests do is give you greater variance of LU’s. The allure of ME contests is the TOP HEAVY payouts. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect that. But honestly, why would you think that to be the end of DFS? It would be the end of collusion or at least curtail it to a point of almost non-existence. It’s funny how “most” are always quick to jump on pointing out possible collusion, but then aren’t receptive to one of the huge reasons it happens which is ME GPP’s.

  • bigez952

    @bozzburg said...

    @bozzburg said…

    This is a really easy fix. Make everything SE.

    this is a preposterous idea which would effectively end dfs

    I think you would be wrong about that sir. I’ve played in high dollar SE contests and even MAX ENTER 3 contests and those are riddled with shark DFS players who also play ME GPP’s. All ME contests do is give you greater variance of LU’s. The allure of ME contests is the TOP HEAVY payouts. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect that. But honestly, why would you think that to be the end of DFS? It would be the end of collusion or at least curtail it to a point of almost non-existence. It’s funny how “most” are always quick to jump on pointing out possible collusion, but then aren’t receptive to one of the huge reasons it happens which is ME GPP’s.

    It wouldn’t be the end of DFS but the entire point of the Milly Maker is that it is a great marketing GPP that brings in the casual player wanting to win the lottery. You could never have a SE Milly Maker so all of these contests would have to become almost winner take all to still boast massive top prizes of you need MME to bump up prize pools. Look at all of the SE offerings everyday that isn’t high stakes and it is not easy to find any that pay out more than a few thousand which doesn’t really move the needle for the casual guy.

    At the end of the day taking away MME shouldn’t even be on the table as all DK needs to do is strictly enforce their own rules and hammer people when they get caught skirting the rules. I hope they do the right thing in this case as the contests should change because people are cheating. The ones caught cheating should be made examples of to prevent others from trying to do the same. DK hasn’t made a statement yet so they still have a shot to make this right.

  • Unico10

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    @bigez952 said...

    It wouldn’t be the end of DFS but the entire point of the Milly Maker is that it is a great marketing GPP that brings in the casual player wanting to win the lottery. You could never have a SE Milly Maker so all of these contests would have to become almost winner take all to still boast massive top prizes of you need MME to bump up prize pools. Look at all of the SE offerings everyday that isn’t high stakes and it is not easy to find any that pay out more than a few thousand which doesn’t really move the needle for the casual guy.

    At the end of the day taking away MME shouldn’t even be on the table as all DK needs to do is strictly enforce their own rules and hammer people when they get caught skirting the rules. I hope they do the right thing in this case as the contests should change because people are cheating. The ones caught cheating should be made examples of to prevent others from trying to do the same. DK hasn’t made a statement yet so they still have a shot to make this right.

    You could have a SE milly maker with the entry fee at $250+ and I would like it a lot more

  • bigez952

    @Unico10 said...

    You could have a SE milly maker with the entry fee at $250+ and I would like it a lot more

    You would need 13,000+ people just to maintain a 33% to first top heavy payout at a $250 buy in and I am guessing they would have a hard time filling a contest like that. They struggle to fill 10,000 to 20,000 player SE games at the $5 and $12 price points and I am guessing there is a much larger player base at those levels then you would get at $250.

  • mambaland

    @Messiah717 said...

    When you as a company turn a blind eye for years. This is eventually what happens. Now, as expected the second place finisher has retained an attorney and this is a complete mess.

    finally someone gets it..we all know what tout this started with and has grown into several generations of teams

  • mambaland

    how much interest is draftkings making on the million each day

  • bure10

    @mambaland said...

    how much interest is draftkings making on the million each day

    Not any? The million is probably in the account of Jade but she cant withdraw it until they make a decision. We all got credited with our milli maker winnings that night and the storm didnt happen until after.

  • spx333

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      2017 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    @DavidPurdum – 13m

    As of earlier this afternoon, Jade Roper Tolbert, the former contestant on The Bachelor, had not heard from DraftKings and had not received the $1 million prize she thought she won on the weekend’s NFL fantasy football contest.

  • msg365

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    @bigez952 said...

    You would need 13,000+ people just to maintain a 33% to first top heavy payout at a $250 buy in and I am guessing they would have a hard time filling a contest like that. They struggle to fill 10,000 to 20,000 player SE games at the $5 and $12 price points and I am guessing there is a much larger player base at those levels then you would get at $250.

    just 2X everyone unless you are in the top 100 or so, then ramp up. Extremely top heavy, yet minimum payout still better than the 1.6X garbage that’s currently in place

  • Volkster6

    To be honest it likely wouldn’t take very long to recap over every Milly Maker as far as resultsDB allow you to draw any other collusion incidents from DKs perspective. If we as a general public/fourm can review and compare stats and come to a general consensus that they colluded the entire season, perhaps DK is doing a full review of all the Milly Makers before going public with the response??

    I mean if I was the CEO the first thing I’d order reviewed if it was proven or at least allured to the fact cheating is somewhat rampant and happening weekly is to run a full synopsis on all contests involving these two, or similar patterns… hence they prolonged delay perhaps?

  • Smallchimp

    1. I can’t believe that I’ve read most of the comments in here
    2. Some of these “fix DFS” suggestions are just killing it before someone else kills it
    3. I can’t believe there’s a possibility that DFS as an industry could be ended by the god-damned Bachelor

  • IronMonkey415

    Then what must we do my primate friend?

  • Smallchimp

    @IronMonkey415 said...

    Then what must we do my primate friend?

    I love the primate bond we share :)

    I mean the major part of point 1 is that I read the entire thread in the past hour, which was exhausting (I need less screen time tbh). With point 2, “SE everything” is implausible, “Flatten everything” is casual unfriendly, and “no entry limits” is illegal. The biggest issue that makes this essentially unsolvable (imo) is that they kicked the can down the road for way too long and they’re basically in another town with no way back home. DFS sites like DK let the sharks and colluding players hang on well after most casual players drained their accounts for the last time and now they’re down to sharks, big fish, and wannabe big fish and “fixing” the issue now would do little to restore the player base. At this point we’re basically just playing in DFS’s twilight years until sports betting is the entire focus.

    I don’t mean to doom-say, but I just feel like DK hurt itself by letting the biggest users prey on casual users until they left and now there’s less that can be done to restore the game’s integrity that wouldn’t just chase money out of the system

  • Calicapo

    Only got to page 10.

    Seems to me, DFS needs to be directly tied to your social and government name.

    It’s basically day trading.

  • Smallchimp

    @Calicapo said...

    Only got to page 10.

    Seems to me, DFS needs to be directly tied to your social and government name.

    It’s basically day trading.

    The issue is that people circumvent entry limits by using multiple accounts to create more than 150 unique lineups. As long as DK refuses to use their data to detect consistent collusion between accounts, there’s not really a way to stop it.

  • theIrrigator

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    Just started looking at the contests for this Weekend. At first glance I thought that smaller $25 contest was called:

    NFL 500K Division Collusion[100k to 1st]”

    😂😂😂😂

  • gridironguru99

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    So those of you playing this week or only playing 150 or less – are you simply THAT addicted to play full well knowing at minimum there’s teams of 2 playing 300 and more than likely teams playing 450-900 through as well? Now that a bachelorette, her cocky husband and their overtly fem friend blew the cover – you realize it’s open season on collusion ranch (and always has been). Totally agree with the poster above – this is a fast race to sportsbook only. The lack of enforcement and transparency has plagued this industry and all these touts and “pros” on here have greased their skids enough – it’s going to be time to get real jobs soon enough

  • Zieg30

    @gridironguru99 said...

    So those of you playing this week or only playing 150 or less – are you simply THAT addicted to play full well knowing at minimum there’s teams of 2 playing 300 and more than likely teams playing 450-900 through as well? Now that a bachelorette, her cocky husband and their overtly fem friend blew the cover – you realize it’s open season on collusion ranch (and always has been). Totally agree with the poster above – this is a fast race to sportsbook only. The lack of enforcement and transparency has plagued this industry and all these touts and “pros” on here have greased their skids enough – it’s going to be time to get real jobs soon enough

    That there are others colluding certainly hurts ones’ chances of winning, but really quite marginally. It’s always been more or a less a lottery ticket for most, so this doesn’t change the likelihood of success that much.

    Given the minuscule numbers involved, I’m not sure why this should impact anyone’s decision making.

  • jjwd

    @gridironguru99 said...

    So those of you playing this week or only playing 150 or less – are you simply THAT addicted to play full well knowing at minimum there’s teams of 2 playing 300 and more than likely teams playing 450-900 through as well?

    This is why these threads always deteriorate into rabid nonsense. If you’re going to assume there are multiple teams playing 900 lineups, why not assume there are teams playing 20,000 lineups? Or why not assume half the entries are bots?
    My point is: you are guessing without evidence, which is not helpful to anyone and does not solve any problems.

    DFS may shrink in the future but it will not become obsolete. Companies will need to listen to educated users’ specific concerns. Howling at them irrationally is not going to work.

  • bhdevault

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    @jjwd said...

    This is why these threads always deteriorate into rabid nonsense. If you’re going to assume there are multiple teams playing 900 lineups, why not assume there are teams playing 20,000 lineups? Or why not assume half the entries are bots?
    My point is: you are guessing without evidence, which is not helpful to anyone and does not solve any problems.

    DFS may shrink in the future but it will not become obsolete. Companies will need to listen to educated users’ specific concerns. Howling at them irrationally is not going to work.

    Very well said jjwd

  • Volkster6

    You have a 0.0028% chance of winning the million with 300 LUs … and resultsDB shows every week that single LU can win or do well so I agree with Zieg for sure! I entered 2 and will treat it as a lottery.

    However if you are entering 150 LUs and abiding by the MME rules I would highly suggest thinking otherwise when there is, at this time, no punishment for circumventing at all!

  • jjwd

    @Smallchimp said...

    DFS sites like DK let the sharks and colluding players hang on well after most casual players drained their accounts for the last time and now they’re down to sharks, big fish, and wannabe big fish and “fixing” the issue now would do little to restore the player base. At this point we’re basically just playing in DFS’s twilight years until sports betting is the entire focus.

    I don’t mean to doom-say, but I just feel like DK hurt itself by letting the biggest users prey on casual users until they left and now there’s less that can be done to restore the game’s integrity that wouldn’t just chase money out of the system

    No way. DK could fix their image with 3 new rules and a marketing campaign next football season.
    If you think there is a ton of collusion happening which makes DFS unbeatable, “chasing money out” cannot simultaneously be your concern.
    Smaller DFS sites can and have survived. But anyway, removing a few colluding whales would not alter DKs bottom line significantly.

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