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  • DFSx42

    I came here with popcorn in hand but was pretty shocked to find no discussion of it.

    Worst part about it is that DK has an obvious case of cheating and yet promotes the win.

    This is just horrible. This tweet here sums it perfectly.

    https://twitter.com/williambierman/status/1214015801721868288?s=19

    Vote with your wallets folks. Boycott Draft Kings. We can’t just continue to sit back, watch this and continue paying rake when there’s so many other options out there.

  • BIF

    @Unico10 said...

    (guessing the guy wasn’t really good with his 300 entries)

    Read that he was down $62K this year before the “Wild card weekend Milly win” so yah there were not too many big scores when they (err, I mean he) had to pick from 11-16 games

  • bigez952

    I still don’t understand why DraftKings can’t be transparent on something as public as this controversy was. That vague statement they put out and then just started refunding money from months ago just made everything more confusing about what was going on.

    When every investigation has a vague ending with no transparency it opens itself up for everyone to form their own opinion of what happened. Until I actually see some proof there is no way I believe Jade and Tanner didn’t get paid out in some form from DK to avoid a further PR hit with an additional lawsuit. I guess we will find out soon enough to see if Jade and Tanner walk away quietly with a sealed settlement or if they sue to at the very least recover the $62,000 in lost entry fees for the season.

    I would think this would be a very easy lawsuit for Jade and Tanner to win especially reading the ESPN article which states DK flagged their account in August but eventually with more documentation provided by Tanner let them continue playing. How in the world was there 0 follow up by DK to allow this to go on for 5 months. I almost agree with Tanner on that one in which he said that DraftKings knew they were playing together as husband and wife but he wishes they would have let him know earlier that they may be breaking the rules. Thank god for the Twitter mob as it looks like DK was aware of them both max entering and did nothing about it until their hand was forced.

  • WhiteyJones8

    @bigez952 said...

    I still don’t understand why DraftKings can’t be transparent on something as public as this controversy was. That vague statement they put out and then just started refunding money from months ago just made everything more confusing about what was going on.

    When every investigation has a vague ending with no transparency it opens itself up for everyone to form their own opinion of what happened. Until I actually see some proof there is no way I believe Jade and Tanner didn’t get paid out in some form from DK to avoid a further PR hit with an additional lawsuit. I guess we will find out soon enough to see if Jade and Tanner walk away quietly with a sealed settlement or if they sue to at the very least recover the $62,000 in lost entry fees for the season.

    I would think this would be a very easy lawsuit for Jade and Tanner to win especially reading the ESPN article which states DK flagged their account in August but eventually with more documentation provided by Tanner let them continue playing. How in the world was there 0 follow up by DK to allow this to go on for 5 months. I almost agree with Tanner on that one in which he said that DraftKings knew they were playing together as husband and wife but he wishes they would have let him know earlier that they may be breaking the rules. Thank god for the Twitter mob as it looks like DK was aware of them both max entering and did nothing about it until their hand was forced.

    Want to know something hilarious? A few years ago I referred my girlfriend. I was playing decent volume as her while collecting referral fees on that play. Yes, I’m aware this blatantly violates the TOS.
    DK caught one within a month or so and removed that account from my referral. Moral of the story: when it affects DK they will fix it right away. Side note: DK didn’t seem to care that I had maxed out the Beginner contests under that account. They just made me verify it really was an actual person, which I did. They had no issue with me multi-accounting they just weren’t going to pay the extra referral fees.

  • BIF

    @bigez952 said...

    I would think this would be a very easy lawsuit for Jade and Tanner to win especially reading the ESPN article which states DK flagged their account in August but eventually with more documentation provided by Tanner let them continue playing. How in the world was there 0 follow up by DK to allow this to go on for 5 months. I almost agree with Tanner on that one in which he said that DraftKings knew they were playing together as husband and wife but he wishes they would have let him know earlier that they may be breaking the rules. Thank god for the Twitter mob as it looks like DK was aware of them both max entering and did nothing about it until their hand was forced.

    I kind of disagree with your interpretation (and Tanner’s) as DK only reached out to them and confirmed that Jade was in fact a real person as Tanner was loading the account with the same payment account as he used for his own. DK had no clue that Tanner was making and entering all 300 lineups until they won and the social media shitstorm started up – then they investigated. There is nothing against a husband-wife legitimately both playing DFS; the issue was the collusion (or her ignorance of everything) because he made all 300 lineups.

    My take is Tanner is an idiot as firstly, he used their actual names on both accounts then secondly he could have easily done a better job of mixing those 300 lineups between the two of them so it didn’t look as bad as it did where they split QBs. If he simply entered every 2nd lineup that his generator spit out for her then all the stats/reports people tweeted out would not have looked as bad and people may not have even linked their two accounts together if her account was called “WifeOfFFjunkie” and thirdly, they should have kept their mouth shut until the money was withdrawn.

    I hope they got nothing from DK and are down the $62K for cheating (yes I get others do it too and I hope those people get screwed over if they ever win big too).

    I don’t really see them having any grounds for a lawsuit other than maybe for their $62K in losses back as they have no way to defend that it wasn’t just Tanner playing as the only thing Jade knows about DFS is that she knows nothing about it. Her past deleted tweets all prove that and their fake tweet about Tanner telling her to not play Metcalf was brutal as he also played Metcalf and it was just a weak attempt to divert the public but actually made it worse. They got what they deserved…..nothing hopefully.

  • bigez952

    @BIF said...

    I kind of disagree with your interpretation (and Tanner’s) as DK only reached out to them and confirmed that Jade was in fact a real person as Tanner was loading the account with the same payment account as he used for his own. DK had no clue that Tanner was making and entering all 300 lineups until they won and the social media shitstorm started up – then they investigated. There is nothing against a husband-wife legitimately both playing DFS; the issue was the collusion (or her ignorance of everything) because he made all 300 lineups.

    My take is Tanner is an idiot as firstly, he used their actual names on both accounts then secondly he could have easily done a better job of mixing those 300 lineups between the two of them so it didn’t look as bad as it did where they split QBs. If he simply entered every 2nd lineup that his generator spit out for her then all the stats/reports people tweeted out would not have looked as bad and people may not have even linked their two accounts together if her account was called “WifeOfFFjunkie” and thirdly, they should have kept their mouth shut until the money was withdrawn.

    I hope they got nothing from DK and are down the $62K for cheating (yes I get others do it too and I hope those people get screwed over if they ever win big too).

    I don’t really see them having any grounds for a lawsuit other than maybe for their $62K in losses back as they have no way to defend that it wasn’t just Tanner playing as the only thing Jade knows about DFS is that she knows nothing about it. Her past deleted tweets all prove that and their fake tweet about Tanner telling her to not play Metcalf was brutal as he also played Metcalf and it was just a weak attempt to divert the public but actually made it worse. They got what they deserved…..nothing hopefully.

    A brand new account immediately flagged by DK for the same payment method as a possible multi account starts to max enter everything within the first week after showing some documentation that his girlfriend is a real person.

    Come on if DK can’t flag that as a potential red flag then there is no hope they will ever enforce their own terms.

    I do agree that Tanner is an idiot as DK doesn’t enforce their terms and all you have to do is put in 14 seconds of effort and mix up the 300 entries with a randomizer on excel before entering. With how loosely these terms seemed to be enforced you have to be pretty dumb to actually get caught.

  • Kingspark35

    I don’t know how much Jade Roper received.

    I don’t know how much jpclk36 received.

  • keephustlincuz

    So… did they let them keep the million and dq them and the second place entry got a million as well? Did they sign an nda?

  • bigez952

    @keephustlincuz said...

    So… did they let them keep the million and dq them and the second place entry got a million as well? Did they sign an nda?

    DraftKings isn’t transparent so we will never know what they settled for. If they got $0 then we would know that as there will be a likely lawsuit coming from Jade and Tanner. If there is nothing but silence from them on this issue then they 100% got something with a gag order attached.

    Gotta love the 0 transparency from DraftKings so everyone can form their own opinions of what actually happened.

  • bure10

    Its their biggest controversy that got the most exposure and they gave the worst possible statement. Didnt even refer to the contest just said they changed some positions in some contests. Its shockingly bad. They likely did the right thing but the public perception isnt going to be helped here.

  • WhiteyJones8

    @bigez952 said...

    A brand new account immediately flagged by DK for the same payment method as a possible multi account starts to max enter everything within the first week after showing some documentation that his girlfriend is a real person.

    Come on if DK can’t flag that as a potential red flag then there is no hope they will ever enforce their own terms.

    I do agree that Tanner is an idiot as DK doesn’t enforce their terms and all you have to do is put in 14 seconds of effort and mix up the 300 entries with a randomizer on excel before entering. With how loosely these terms seemed to be enforced you have to be pretty dumb to actually get caught.

    This kind of stuff has gone on forever. Here is a twitter thread from 2018

    https://twitter.com/jetblackx/status/971062611981762560?s=21

    A lot of PGA players suspected that Dagodfather and kajkyle were the same person. One week a brand new user appeared out of nowhere and registered well over $100K in contests. DK eventually removed that account but not the others.

    First off, how did a brand new account get funded with $100K? The only way to do that is a bank wire and the limit is $2500 without a manual increase from DK.

    That means someone at DK was gullible enough to allow $100K deposit from a brand new account without understanding who that person actually was.

    When DK later reversed course and removed that person they didn’t also remove the linked accounts. This has gone on for years. Also, if I’m not mistakes several people lost large h2h contests versus the “new” account and were never refunded.

    In fact, this “scandal” is literally the only time I’ve ever heard of DK adjusting the standings. So either we are supposed to believe this is the first time collusion has ever happened or else just the first time DK was forced to care.

  • BIF

    @bigez952 said...

    With how loosely these terms seemed to be enforced you have to be pretty dumb to actually get caught.

    True 💯

  • BIF

    @Kingspark35 said...

    I don’t know how much Jade Roper received.

    I don’t know how much jpclk36 received.

    True but we are now being led to believe the answer is $0 and $1M based on this:

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/83963237?

  • yisman

    @Sol88 said...

    You’re right haha, I may be expecting too much of Bing to have a custom tailored news feed.

    It’s back on the Bing homepage today

    one of the articles:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/fantasy/2020/01/25/draftkings-strips-former-bachelor-contestant-jade-roper-1-m-prize/4575141002/

  • boogereatingmoron

    • 2019 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    So does the lawyer that spclk36 hired get 33% of that 900k extra he just got??

  • Unico10

    • 581

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    • Ranked #79

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    If they cancelled all their entries they didn’t get the million…. but did they get back all the $$$ they lost in entry fees the previous weeks?

  • WhiteyJones8

    You, a pessimist: Jade and Tanner lost $1M

    Me, an optimist: Jade and Tanner spent $6,000 on WC weekend and won back their $68K in losses this season.

  • carney259

    • 356

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    @bigez952 said...

    DraftKings isn’t transparent so we will never know what they settled for. If they got $0 then we would know that as there will be a likely lawsuit coming from Jade and Tanner. If there is nothing but silence from them on this issue then they 100% got something with a gag order attached.

    Gotta love the 0 transparency from DraftKings so everyone can form their own opinions of what actually happened.

    If they paid Jade/Tanner something to “go away”, whether it’s their $62k in losses on the season or something else, why do they owe the public an answer for the sake of being “transparent”? If they did, it came out of DK’s pocket and not out of any contest prize pool. And it could have been connected with an agreement that in order for Tanner/Jade to agree to go away, DK wouldn’t bad mouth them publicly and call them cheaters. Remember, they are D list celebrities and might actually care about that. Literally no company, public or private, publicly discloses the amount of settlements to get potential lawsuits to go away. If they paid a guy who slipped on a wet floor in the lobby of their office building, they wouldn’t disclose that amount either.

    I get that the transparency doesn’t rise to the level to satisfy some people’s curiosity. But everyone was saying DK would do nothing, and that didn’t turn out to be the case. Faced with a blatantly obvious violation of their rules, not only did they void all of the rule-breaking entries in the main contest at issue, but they voided lots of other rule-breaking entries in earlier contests that no one was even clamoring about and paid out tens of thousands of dollars, probably out of their own pocket, to entrants who lost to those rule-breaking entries.

  • infantryboys

    @boogereatingmoron said...

    So does the lawyer that spclk36 hired get 33% of that 900k extra he just got??

    Yes. He’ll get his fee.

    https://www-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.si.com/.amp/gambling/2020/01/25/draftkings-former-bachelor-contestant-stripped-one-million-prize?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15800142921724&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fgambling%2F2020%2F01%2F25%2Fdraftkings-former-bachelor-contestant-stripped-one-million-prize

  • Zieg30

    @carney259 said...

    If they paid Jade/Tanner something to “go away”, whether it’s their $62k in losses on the season or something else, why do they owe the public an answer for the sake of being “transparent”? If they did, it came out of DK’s pocket and not out of any contest prize pool. And it could have been connected with an agreement that in order for Tanner/Jade to agree to go away, DK wouldn’t bad mouth them publicly and call them cheaters. Remember, they are D list celebrities and might actually care about that. Literally no company, public or private, publicly discloses the amount of settlements to get potential lawsuits to go away. If they paid a guy who slipped on a wet floor in the lobby of their office building, they wouldn’t disclose that amount either.

    I get that the transparency doesn’t rise to the level to satisfy some people’s curiosity. But everyone was saying DK would do nothing, and that didn’t turn out to be the case. Faced with a blatantly obvious violation of their rules, not only did they void all of the rule-breaking entries in the main contest at issue, but they voided lots of other rule-breaking entries in earlier contests that no one was even clamoring about and paid out tens of thousands of dollars, probably out of their own pocket, to entrants who lost to those rule-breaking entries.

    Yeah, I agree with this.

    I really don’t understand why so many are upset with the resolution. Everyone was moaning that DK wouldn’t do anything, but they did! And now that big something apparently just isn’t quite enough.

  • Zieg30

    @infantryboys said...

    Yes. He’ll get his fee.

    https://www-si-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.si.com/.amp/gambling/2020/01/25/draftkings-former-bachelor-contestant-stripped-one-million-prize?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15800142921724&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fgambling%2F2020%2F01%2F25%2Fdraftkings-former-bachelor-contestant-stripped-one-million-prize

    We don’t know what his retainer was, though. We’re assuming he was working on contingency, but he may not have been.

    Even if his retainer agreement suggested he would get 25 or 33%, I doubt he gets that full number given how quickly it resolved. That would be too big a windfall for too little work and would therefore be quite unreasonable.

  • Dunzor

    For those saying that they shouldn’t get their entry fees back, that is the only way that DK can void their entries without incurring legal liability so it makes total sense to me that this is the best possible outcome for those that wanted their win voided and their play banned so I think we should be quite happy. DK truly did all they could without opening themselves to an easy lawsuit

  • bure10

    @carney259 said...

    If they paid Jade/Tanner something to “go away”, whether it’s their $62k in losses on the season or something else, why do they owe the public an answer for the sake of being “transparent”? If they did, it came out of DK’s pocket and not out of any contest prize pool. And it could have been connected with an agreement that in order for Tanner/Jade to agree to go away, DK wouldn’t bad mouth them publicly and call them cheaters. Remember, they are D list celebrities and might actually care about that. Literally no company, public or private, publicly discloses the amount of settlements to get potential lawsuits to go away. If they paid a guy who slipped on a wet floor in the lobby of their office building, they wouldn’t disclose that amount either.

    I get that the transparency doesn’t rise to the level to satisfy some people’s curiosity. But everyone was saying DK would do nothing, and that didn’t turn out to be the case. Faced with a blatantly obvious violation of their rules, not only did they void all of the rule-breaking entries in the main contest at issue, but they voided lots of other rule-breaking entries in earlier contests that no one was even clamoring about and paid out tens of thousands of dollars, probably out of their own pocket, to entrants who lost to those rule-breaking entries.

    The issue is that we don’t know what DK did or didnt do. Its likely they paid them under the table and took away the million but thats not really why Im concerned – I dont want to know the settlement (If so) I know that confidential. I would just like DK to say we caught someone (s) violating the terms of service and we have taken steps to remove the entries in the contests at issue. We take our terms of service seriously and any future violations will be met with similar sanctions. DK hasnt even admitted there was a violation of the rules. The conduct isnt really denounced and people wont be deterred if DK doesnt even come out and say there was a violation. Also the lack of a response allows us to wonder how this behavior wasnt detected for X weeks, what would have happened if DFS Twitter didnt bring this to the attention of the media, what steps are being taken to prevent this in the future etc… The lack of transparency doesnt give us confidence in the integrity of the game and the legitimacy of DK.

  • Zieg30

    @bure10 said...

    The issue is that we don’t know what DK did or didnt do. Its likely they paid them under the table and took away the million but thats not really why Im concerned – I dont want to know the settlement (If so) I know that confidential. I would just like DK to say we caught someone (s) violating the terms of service and we have taken steps to remove the entries in the contests at issue. We take our terms of service seriously and any future violations will be met with similar sanctions. DK hasnt even admitted there was a violation of the rules. The conduct isnt really denounced and people wont be deterred if DK doesnt even come out and say there was a violation. Also the lack of a response allows us to wonder how this behavior wasnt detected for X weeks, what would have happened if DFS Twitter didnt bring this to the attention of the media, what steps are being taken to prevent this in the future etc… The lack of transparency doesnt give us confidence in the integrity of the game and the legitimacy of DK.

    DK has pretty clearly indicated that there was a violation and that the conduct was punished. While I agree an explicit statement would be nice, I don’t think it’s really necessary here. They were investigated for conduct in violation of the T&Cs, and at the end of that investigation they were stripped of the win (at least on the leaderboard). It can’t really be any plainer than that.

    Your second to last line is apt, though. I agree that it’s problematic the investigation only began because of the public outcry. I’d prefer for DK to have its own internal collusion detection methods that doesn’t necessitate information being spoon fed to them by others.

  • jarredsc7

    DK is going to get sued by Jade and Tanner and lose. There’s no way they can prove collusion as required by law. Their case is all optics and I’m guessing they have no paper trail whatsoever. At worst they’re going to settle for something much greater than zero.

  • Zieg30

    @jarredsc7 said...

    DK is going to get sued by Jade and Tanner and lose. There’s no way they can prove collusion as required by law. Their case is all optics and I’m guessing they have no paper trail whatsoever. At worst they’re going to settle for something much greater than zero.

    “Prove collusion as required by the law”. I’d suggest DK actually would be able to meet the standard of proof in a civil suit. It’s really not that high a bar, and it’s pretty obvious here.

    For Jade and Tanner to bring a civil suit they’d also have to be willing to brazenly lie to the court. Circumventing DK’s entry limits is very different from lying in a courtroom.

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