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  • Merrill612

    Hey-

    Was curious to hear some takes on roster construction for the MLB All Star Showdown contest. Although I am doing it to make the game more fun, I am intrigued by the best way to go about it. It is definitely a little hard to establish a strategy due to the unpredictability of rest, pitchers dual vs. offensive game, picking spots, and the fact that all pitchers are being scored as relief (higher points for strikeouts). I looked at some box scores from the previous years and it is looking like pitchers are the way to go. I also considered that 1 inning pitched with 1-3 strikeouts is 7-13 points, which equates to a batter hitting a home run pretty much (and the possibility of bonus points for win/save) What I can’t decide however, is what starting pitchers and relief pitchers will actually get into the game after looking at mixed results in previous box scores.

    My lineup currently is
    AL: Chris Sale/Blake Snell/Edwin Diaz (SP/SP/RP)
    NL: Jacob Degrom/Aaron Nola/Josh Hader (SP/SP/RP)

    What are your thoughts on playing batters as opposed to pitchers, and on what pitchers to select based on probability of play? (Obviously, any news reports tomorrow will be relevant)

  • Bustercherry33

    Haha you can’t define a hold in any different way in the MLB. My best games are the showdowns and because I do a lot of research for holds. Many many times have I received multiple holds in 1 lineup. You can pitch to 1 batter and get the hold. You just need to have the lead and leave with the lead. I only learned this because of the showdown games on DK, I thought a pitcher needed 3 outs before. They better come because I will win a nice amount instead of breaking even.

    I was looking at other teams during the game and noticed most went bats heavy and not pitching. I went pitching heavy bc of here. Hell I even said I had to change all of my lineups before this game started on a message because of the holds. I didn’t start early pitchers hoping for the extra points later. COME ON DK Hahaha

  • Merrill612

    Went 6/6 and cashed out a nice $86 lol. Literally everyone played all batters and no pitchers I noticed. I knew there was a reason I started this thread and spent all day talking about lineup construction for the mlb all star game… aside from being a dfs junky and degenerate gambler 😂

  • Atriol53

    I don’t think Hinch being manager makes any diff at all. The other points were solid. I went Gomes because with Ramos out the AL would only have two catchers- so multiple at bats were very likely- which not all reserves always get.
    Sure didn’t work though hahah… Oh also he was the cheapest guy on the entire list. (FD)

  • Deltfish

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    Thanks Merrill! Because of this thread I put $750 into double ups and won first place in every single one having nothing but 6 SP.

    Max/Degrom/Nola/Folty/Snell/Serevino

  • Atriol53

    I think its lame both DK and FD allowed lineups to be constructed that way. But they do tend to reward rando thinking which keeps the dumber people coming back since dumb people have more random minds.

  • Bustercherry33

    Hell yeah Merrill!! You hooked me up too!! I would of gone a different way but went with basically all pitchers and a few longer shots.

    I was worried I was wrong about the holds until I just looked at the ESPN full box and saw all of my players :), well most haha, well the “H” now that wasn’t there. Just takes time so I’m going to bed to wake up happier.

    I already can’t wait until next year haha. I am still shocked at all of the teams with 1 or 2 pitchers at the most. The holds paid off HUGE!!

  • NextSignal

    Seems they didn’t credit the holds though? Just got paid out and the holds never came through.

  • alllorge

    What was the winning $100,000 lineup??

  • JTSnow4091

    THANK YOU JUDGE, TROUT, SCOOTER, SPRINGER $$$$$$. too bad i had Josh “I-sent-out-racist-tweets-when-I-was-younger-so-probably-was-distracted” Hader otherwise I could have potentially taken 1st, smfh.

    Felt so weird leaving $5000+ salary on the table, but guess it worked out well, lol. twas fun, till next year!

  • bigez952

    Going heavy on pitching didn’t really work out with 10 homers in last nights game. Oh well that is what I get for chasing overlay and am looking forward to baseball to return Friday.

  • jgadharf

    DK is claiming that the STATS LLC box score did not credit Holds to Severino, Snell, Jiminez, or Berrios because they did not come in the game in the 6th inning or later, which DK claims means they were not eligible for a Hold. Of course, DK will not provide me with the STATS LLC box score they are using and I’m not finding that 6th inning rule for the Hold stat anywhere. The box scores on ESPN.com and MLB.com all show holds for those pitchers. This is extremely frustrating because many of us created rosters using the strategy that pitchers coming into the ASG with his team leading would be given a Hold regardless of of inning (akin to the winning pitcher not having to pitch 5 innings in the ASG) so long as he didn’t give up the lead during his appearance. This stat issue cost me $$ as my best lineup had Severino and Snell, so I lost out on 5 points.

  • IronMonkey415

    That is true we do have random mind.

  • lovpink

    Going heavy on pitching worked in cash and didn’t kill you in gpp the winning line up had sale and was not even close to optimal.

  • yisman

    FYI, total on the game was 7

    reasonable to go with pitching

    not only were there a lot of runs, it came on homer after homer

    ugh

  • 2Slik

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    @Merrill612 said...

    @jtkucheck said… I had to come back just to find this post. I thought of it right when Bregman made contact with that pitch haha. Nice call…

    I was hoping to get from Lindor what Segura spit out but I second the Bregman call praise. Went from a no hope loss to waking up in the green.

  • NextSignal

    @jgadharf said...

    DK is claiming that the STATS LLC box score did not credit Holds to Severino, Snell, Jiminez, or Berrios because they did not come in the game in the 6th inning or later, which DK claims means they were not eligible for a Hold. Of course, DK will not provide me with the STATS LLC box score they are using and I’m not finding that 6th inning rule for the Hold stat anywhere. The box scores on ESPN.com and MLB.com all show holds for those pitchers. This is extremely frustrating because many of us created rosters using the strategy that pitchers coming into the ASG with his team leading would be given a Hold regardless of of inning (akin to the winning pitcher not having to pitch 5 innings in the ASG) so long as he didn’t give up the lead during his appearance. This stat issue cost me $$ as my best lineup had Severino and Snell, so I lost out on 5 points.

    I received the same message and it’s so completely wrong. Starting pitchers can get the win after 1 inning in the AS game, and every subsequent pitcher that maintains the lead can get a hold, which is what happened. It’s common for there to be “hold trains” in these games which is what I factored into my builds as well. Every single box score that exists shows holds starting with Severino.

    You would think that a company that runs an All Star game contest that scores Holds would take this into consideration? Seems like a total screw-up that they’re backpedaling from in my opinion.

  • jgadharf

    @NextSignal said...

    @jgadharf said…

    I received the same message and it’s so completely wrong. Starting pitchers can get the win after 1 inning in the AS game, and every subsequent pitcher that maintains the lead can get a hold, which is what happened. It’s common for there to be “hold trains” in these games which is what I factored into my builds as well. Every single box score that exists shows holds starting with Severino.

    You would think that a company that runs an All Star game contest that scores Holds would take this into consideration? Seems like a total screw-up that they’re backpedaling from in my opinion.

    DK told me to reach out directly to STATS LLC. I’m sure that will do the trick!

  • biffrenylds

    Here is the Stats box score: http://hosted.stats.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?gamecode=380717132&final=true

  • jgadharf

    @biffrenylds said...

    Here is the Stats box score: http://hosted.stats.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?gamecode=380717132&final=true

    Thanks.

  • jgadharf

    @biffrenylds said...

    Here is the Stats box score: http://hosted.stats.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?gamecode=380717132&final=true

    Are you able to access the 2017 ASG box score?

  • biffrenylds

    @jgadharf said...

    Are you able to access the 2017 ASG box score?

    No, couldn’t find it. But every definition of Hold I’ve found says Severino, Snell, Jimenez, and Berrios should have received Holds. Just as ESPN box score reported.

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