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  • Dtayl913

    After reading a good deal of insight into the “Double-Ups vs. 50/50s” debate, I’ve come down on the 50/50 side of things, and have been playing mostly those for my cash game exposure. However, I’ve noticed a trend over the past few weeks. For one, I can’t really settle on an ideal size, since there are 50, 20 and 10 entry contests all within my price range. I’ve tried them all, with basically the same results. My main problem has been that, with remarkable consistency, I am almost always right along the cash line. In fact, when I play the smaller field 50/50s, I almost always have numerous entries that DON’T cash, with many that do. That seems really odd for a 50/50, so it makes me wonder what I’m doing wrong.

    My questions are: 1. What is the ideal 50/50 field size? and 2. What does it mean when I’m consistently right at the cash line, and in many cases straddling it (cashing some, missing some, all with the same lineup)? Any help would be appreciated!

  • txdave41

    I’ve about come to the conclusion that field size doesn’t matter. Sure it would seem logical that the more lineups in a matchup would mean more scores that you have to beat, but you can have hundreds of scores that are only a fraction of a point difference.

    Even with 100 man or 10 man league games, the end result is the same. You need a score close to 200 to cash. At best, there is usually a 20 point cash line difference between cash and GPP games too.

  • eperson911

    I go back and forth on playing 50/50s or double ups. What made you settle on 50/50s? I can’t decide if I would rather have that extra 20% payout or the cash line 6.5% higher.

  • TBforPrez

    I have the same struggle – if I cash in my 50/50s then I am just barely at or above the line. What is the best stacking strategy for 50/50s – 2 man stacks from the top of a lineup?

  • jackflak55

    My preference is for 11-man double-ups. I’ve found that a DK score of around 100 is good enough to cash on most nights. For some reason, it feels like 50/50s have more pros in them. It’s frustrating to play $10 doubleups for fun, and find each contest loaded with pros.
    The larger the field, the harder it is to cash, it seems. In a smaller field, you can sometimes survive a poor showing from your SP, where in a larger field, if your SP has even one bad inning, your lineup is trashed.

  • dirtydistance

    Fade Kershaw anymore! Seriously…if there’s a plan that works this year consistently, I’d love to hear it.

    Single entry is the way to go in cash games, easier to avoid trains of the same shared lineups

  • JustDFSin

    @jackflak55 said...

    My preference is for 11-man double-ups. I’ve found that a DK score of around 100 is good enough to cash on most nights. For some reason, it feels like 50/50s have more pros in them. It’s frustrating to play $10 doubleups for fun, and find each contest loaded with pros.
    The larger the field, the harder it is to cash, it seems. In a smaller field, you can sometimes survive a poor showing from your SP, where in a larger field, if your SP has even one bad inning, your lineup is trashed.

    The “pros” are usually in all of the higher up doubleups. The 1 and 2 dollar 50/50 they are in there to but you also have the causal player. The problem is there just in no room for error. Yesterday was weird on Dk. All of the doubleups I entered in earlier in the day Bollinger was like 15 percent owned. The contests I entered in later many were 35 to 50 percent owned. when a player is over 50% owned and he goes off and you don’t have him your ship is sunk especially in turbo games

  • KardiacChris

    I prefer the 11 man $100 dbl ups. I’m definitely not a pro bit have been successful in cashing. I make 1 cash lineup and use it for all my cash contests.

  • CJtheGrump

    I’ve convinced myself that the 5 dollar single entry was a good option. usually around 2000 entries depending on the slate. There can’t be 900 pros can there?

    Still, it seems you’ll find more cash line variance in the smaller double ups.

  • jackflak55

    @JustDFSin said...

    The “pros” are usually in all of the higher up doubleups. The 1 and 2 dollar 50/50 they are in there to but you also have the causal player. The problem is there just in no room for error. Yesterday was weird on Dk. All of the doubleups I entered in earlier in the day Bollinger was like 15 percent owned. The contests I entered in later many were 35 to 50 percent owned. when a player is over 50% owned and he goes off and you don’t have him your ship is sunk especially in turbo games

    I disagree. I find pros routinely play in $1 and $5 and $10 contests and whoop guppies all the time.
    Ever since DK tagged me with their ridiculous “BIG WIN” badge, I’ve been on a losing streal I don’t think I will recover from.
    DFS’s biggest failing is that the industry has yet to figure out how to accommodate newcomers. There are a handful of sharks and the rest of us are guppies who will always get cleaned out sooner or later.
    To use poker for an example, no pro would waste his time with a $10 table, so amateurs can be competitive at such a table and not get cleaned out right away. But in DFS pros routinely can generate and enter thousands of lineups and beat up on novices all the time.

    The idea of creating “casual” contests was meant to deal with this, but really they just created the opposite problem with badges.

  • Mrsmasonpj

    I just wish i could play a $1 cash game without Chipotleaddict, shocae, birdwings or papagates in it. Would be nice to have a chance to win $1.80 every now and then.

  • finsup613

    i like doing 100 man 50-50’s. they are all single entry and it minimizes the impaact of a pro since he is 1 of 99 and not 1 of 9 or 19

  • LouisD21

    As long as it’s single entry contest, cash is cash IMO. I prefer 50/50 but some guys eat the extra 9% risk to keep the rake in their pockets. It’s personal preference. If u do doubles make it single entry and largest room possible. And if u can wait til like 15 mins before lock. You might find a double up room that doesn’t fill so you’re already ahead. GL

  • joerapjr

    I don’t think the field size matters too much, as most of the time, the average cash line on a given night will be the same across the board in double-ups and 50/50.

    I think your finishing just below the cash line means that you are making very good lineups that are just a touch away from being excellent. Study the lineups that finished above you and analyze what they may have done differently. I love studying other lineups, especially ones made by great players!

  • KardiacChris

    Those guys are very beatable as I have won many $100 dbl ups with them in it.

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    @KardiacChris said...

    Those guys are very beatable as I have won many $100 dbl ups with them in it.

    but how many have you lost

  • KardiacChris

    Won more than I lost.

  • richierich

    @eperson911 said...

    I go back and forth on playing 50/50s or double ups. What made you settle on 50/50s? I can’t decide if I would rather have that extra 20% payout or the cash line 6.5% higher.

    It doesn’t matter either way. I’ve tracked it over the long term. It evens out. You’ll cash 5% or so more if you playe 50/50’s, but that is compensated for by the extra cash you make in the double-ups.

    Really, no need to fret over it.

    I go with the larger field usually. In a 100 man field, you’ll just have to beat what winds up being about the site average score. In a 10 man 50/50, or a smaller field. You stand a chance of running into 5 lineups that go off. I’ve had a couple of times where I’ve cashed in GPP’s with a lineup, and lost in a small field 50/50. This can also benefit you, if most of the field lays an egg. Again… this basically evens out. However, I’d just assume take my chances that I can beat the average score every night.

  • richierich

    @jackflak55 said...

    I disagree. I find pros routinely play in $1 and $5 and $10 contests and whoop guppies all the time.
    Ever since DK tagged me with their ridiculous “BIG WIN” badge, I’ve been on a losing streal I don’t think I will recover from.
    DFS’s biggest failing is that the industry has yet to figure out how to accommodate newcomers. There are a handful of sharks and the rest of us are guppies who will always get cleaned out sooner or later.
    To use poker for an example, no pro would waste his time with a $10 table, so amateurs can be competitive at such a table and not get cleaned out right away. But in DFS pros routinely can generate and enter thousands of lineups and beat up on novices all the time.

    The idea of creating “casual” contests was meant to deal with this, but really they just created the opposite problem with badges.

    Yeah, FD has the same thing with 500 contests “experience” badge. You can no longer play in the “experienced players excluded” tourneys. When you look at the 50/50’s, double ups… etc… It’s almost always just pros, or vast majority.

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