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  • noddy

    MLB is by far my most favorite daily fantasy sport to play. My question is can you profit playing 50/50’s and head to heads? It seems like it would be very hard to win 58% or more of your contests. I would love to grind all season, but there is so much information out there it seems like its hard to gain an edge. Am I better off just multi entering GPP’s and hoping for a big score?

  • Jvanspro

    @sjs1890 said...

    Too funny stating an opinion is apparently frowned upon. If “new players” can’t figure out their game selection on their own then it’s on them. My point is rake is only going up and info and lineup sharing is common. Especially with the incoming merger rake going up will not help cash games.

    Your point is flawed though. Rake has been going up in GPP’s not cash games. I actually don’t remember the last time rake was increases in 50/50’s or H2H games. In fact, FantasyDraft has rake free H2H games.

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @Jvanspro said...

    Your point is flawed though. Rake has been going up in GPP’s not cash games. I actually don’t remember the last time rake was increases in 50/50’s or H2H games. In fact, FantasyDraft has rake free H2H games.

    That’s your opinion tho remember bhdevault said not to listen to anyone. Rake has been going up in both while lineup sharing really affects only cash games.

  • noddy

    It is funny/interesting to me the different responses in this thread. Some say yes you can be profitable and some say no. So I guess the answer is both. For the profitable cash game players in here do you always play a top pitcher and then fill out the rest of your lineup?

  • Cpjttogether

    I still cant figure out what style game is best for me. finishing in the top 5% of 100,000 entries don’t seem to easy to do, if you cant even beat 1 person. And then when you finally do, I guess you get hammered by taxes. but I certainly think out of the box and can be contrarian, so if that type of player is best for gpp I guess I should do that. bhdevault is one of the best cash players in the world, there is no doubt about that.

  • SkateFiend

    I’m a low stakes player and went mostly cash games late last year and ground a small profit for about 6 weeks. I played a pair of 2 dollar lineups and could count on one hand the nights when both lineups failed to cash. I either broke even (meaning only one of them cashed) or made 4 bucks profit. Once in a while a single entry lineup would hit 20 bucks or so.

    The money I made is nothing compared to what pros make, but it’s still fun. In MLB you will be rewarded on most nights for putting up well constructed lineups, especially in cash games. And the margin of error is huge compared to NBA. I cashed lineups that had Liriano a few nights ago.

    Also people actually stack in cash games. Cubs stack was somewhat popular in Yahoo the last two nights. Some of these entries eliminate themselves early and improve the chances of your own lineups.

  • CaldwellTylerusng94

    I think it was this thread where I read a recommendation of the 100 man tournaments on FD where the top 12 win. I had never tried that before, but gave it a shot yesterday in the early slate. Placed first in 3 out of the 6 I entered, in the other 3, I was top 5. Increased my bankroll almost by double. Thanks again. Good luck everyone! Cash Games Aren’t Dead!

  • detroittigers44

    The beauty of MLB Cash games is that lineups tend to be super predictable… Last night Stroman was the pretty clear cut #1 on just about every single site as a cash game lock… he did fine, but going in you know who the majority will play at pitcher… On some nights there are 4-5 other pitchers that are just as likely to reach what that clear cut #1 will do. You can easily be contrarian there without being stupid.

    Hitters its even easier to be contrarian… Yesterday’s afternoon slate was all about the Coors game, and for good reason with an O/U of 12… However, baseball is still baseball and even the absolute best players against the worst pitchers can put up an 0-4 day. In my Double Up yesterday, 40% of the people played Alexi Amarista. Yes, the same guy that hit .257 last season with absolutely no power and a total of 11 RBI’s in 65 games all of last season. But he has speed? Yeah, 9 SB’s last season. The price was right and its Coors, but when a player sucks regardless does Coors outweigh that? He predictably went 0-2 and was pinch hit for. 30% took Trevor Story, which if you have watched a second of Rockies baseball this year, you would know he has looked absolutely terrible and his swing is clearly not right. He salvaged a 2 point day with a late BB.

    The point of all of this is… Look at trends and look at hot and cold. The Rockies are absolute trash right now. Don’t just blindly put bad players in a lineup because everything points in that direction. I would have put money down yesterday that Story was going to go 0-4, he looks dreadful, I don’t care who is pitching and if he is playing in a park with 250 foot fences.

    I rolled out Andrew Romine, who completely changed his swing and looks legit this season at SS… He rewarded me with a Grand Slam. Oh yeah, he was $2200 on DK, $700 cheaper than the aforementioned crappy Amarista…

    This is only one day and one example, but back to the original question, can you profit in cash games? Absolutely… it might just take a slightly contrarian mindset that differs a bit from the other sports.

    Just my two cents…

  • Cpjttogether

    Aw sht now contrarian is good for cash guess ill try that again too.

  • Jvanspro

    I think people put way to much in vegas in baseball, especially in cash. While yes it does matter but just because a game has a high total doesn’t mean it’s a good game to target. You need to go beyond that there are plenty of batters in better spots in lower totals every single night. Just because a team has a high total doesn’t mean said player is a smart cash play.

    To the Amarista point, you are absolutely right. He’s never a good play, he’s a below average player at best. In fact he’s at a disadvantage in nearly every at bat.

    Romine just happened to work out. Yes, he changed his swing but I would argue the salary just fit for him. I doubt he was a target in cash unless you’re just targeting Tigers because you’re a fan.

  • btwice80

    @sjs1890 said...

    That’s your opinion tho remember bhdevault said not to listen to anyone. Rake has been going up in both while lineup sharing really affects only cash games.

    It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact that rake has not gone up on 50/50s, h2h and leagues. You are mistaken and spreading false information.

  • btwice80

    I had a rough first week, but have made up for it the past couple nights. The rough week and the big nights though were both because I play my lineup much heavier in quintuple ups, leagues and small field single entry GPP. Only about 12% of my volume is 50/50s, h2h and dbl ups.

    Like several people have said, it’s best to try different games to find your strengths, but you do need a good sample size. I would suggest a steady mix of as many different game types as your BR allows. Stick to the same mix for the first half of the season, review your results at the all-star break and maybe make adjustments then if you have glaring differences in ROI.

    Also agree with whoever mentioned MLB having a higher margin for error. Last night I maxed out Blue Jays on FD and DK, even went with Nova over Stroman on FD so I could get four Jays bats, and even with them being shut out and me being alone on FD with Nova’s dud I nearly tripled my overall buy-ins. Thank you Mr. Stanton! So many different ways to skin the MLB cat. I don’t worry much at all about chalk/ownership % even though my night is a loss if I don’t hit a top 15ish% score with one of my two LUs (one on each site).

  • detroittigers44

    It was a price point thing absolutely as I played Max and Salazar and wanted to get at least a little Coors field so I needed a couple cheap guys…. Rolled out Tyler Collins too for the killer $4800 Tiger Crapper combo that worked beautifully…. haha. I am a fan but also trying to watch closely how some of these guys are swinging the bats in the early season.

  • tvsfrink

    @sjs1890 said...

    Too funny stating an opinion is apparently frowned upon.

    An “opinion” that is wrong, such as no one can be profitable in cash, is frowned upon, yes.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    @Jvanspro said...

    I think people put way to much in vegas in baseball, especially in cash.

    A large number of people on this site have no idea what the Vegas Over/Under fully represents. Some probably don;t even realize that those aren’t actual team over/under’s but a breakdown of the betting lines in relation to the O/U and those two aren’t always mutually exclusive.

    Speaking to something in the OP, there is more info than ever, so really the edge comes from trusting your info. If you’re reading the same articles and using the same projections as the majority then there is no reason to think you’ll gain an edge.
    Baseball, really more than any other sport, allows you to look at and break down raw numbers to identify trends, create models, rank importance of stats, etc. That’s why I still bother with cash in MLB, while I’ve pretty much given up on it with other sports.

    That said, a lot comes down to what kind of player you are. What type of lineups you create…and really, sometimes, even the slate. The good thing is that the question asked does have an answer…unlike GPP’s where you can talk yourself into chasing a massive prize, calculating ROI on cash and deciding if it’s worth it is pretty concrete.

    Personally, I’m starting to ask the profitability question, but I’m asking it in relation to the GPP’s I play. With the prize structures I’ve been seeing, it’s getting harder to grind out a profit for someone like myself that creates a lineup or two a night and plays lower stakes.

  • noddy

    Some great responses. When constructing your cash lineup do you always start with pitcher and go from there? It seems like it is important to pick the correct pitcher.

  • Jvanspro

    It really depends on the slate. If I really like one pitcher I will start that way. If I have 2-3 pitchers I really like I may fill out the bats I like and see which pitchers salary fits. So really, it just depends for me.

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @tvsfrink said...

    An “opinion” that is wrong, such as no one can be profitable in cash, is frowned upon, yes.

    I never said no one can be profitable in cash games lol maybe you might need to brush up on those reading skills. Its just not worth the grind and sweat imo for a small profit especially with the amount of info that’s out their and lineup sharing.

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @btwice80 said...

    It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact that rake has not gone up on 50/50s, h2h and leagues. You are mistaken and spreading false information.

    ummm…. A lot of double ups are at 13% rake that’s silly there’s no reason it should be that high and it wasn’t always like that. Also playing the small field 50/50’s are extremely boring imo with the same people in all of them even the lower stakes. Since DK has started rake has only gone up not down that’s not false info kiddo.

  • KardiacChris

    I started out playing strictly GPP’S and cashed little but once I started playing cash games , my profits definitely increased.

  • Cpjttogether

    being in the top 5% of a big gpp seems like a Disneyland fantasy to me. Theres nothing like going h2h 1 on 1 in the middle school bathroom while the homies look out for teachers. sure wish the rake was 5% and not 10 % though.

  • gravitymaze

    @noddy said...

    MLB is by far my most favorite daily fantasy sport to play. My question is can you profit playing 50/50’s and head to heads? It seems like it would be very hard to win 58% or more of your contests. I would love to grind all season, but there is so much information out there it seems like its hard to gain an edge. Am I better off just multi entering GPP’s and hoping for a big score?

    How have you done so far? I never play the 50/50’s and heads.

  • Joshmstar

    @detroittigers44 said...

    I would have put money down yesterday that Story was going to go 0-4, he looks dreadful, I don’t care who is pitching and if he is playing in a park with 250 foot fences.

    Welllll… I’ll take him with the 250 foot fences

  • jjwd

    I used to think that MLB cash was too frustrating and a waste of time… but lately I realize that you definitely do have “room for error” with cash games- if you put some research time in. New players who are disillusioned with NBA cash (heading toward the dead zone) should remember that MLB is a different animal.

  • noddy

    I don’t know man. Seems pretty hard to me to be able to profit in 50/50’s and h2h contests. If there are 8 games or more on a slate there are so many hitters to choose from and even the best choices can easily go hit less. It’s hard to predict when the guys will hit a HR or not. You almost have to nail your pitchers which is hard enough and hope for the best with your hitters and hope your opponent didn’t hit his

  • btwice80

    @noddy said...

    I don’t know man. Seems pretty hard to me to be able to profit in 50/50’s and h2h contests.

    I definitely have better ROI in most other game types than 50/50s. I still play a tiny % in them to track if that changes, and also to see an overview of ownership since I’m going up against a lot of those same lineups in my leagues.

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