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  • Danomite6

    Tonight I feel like I’ve put up a decent team and I am in the top 50% of a number of cash pools at the moment (particularly the earlier entries). The problem is I am trailing in most of my later entries that I entered in the afternoon. Normally I would just think I happen to be getting beat by more than 50% of the pool and they are making slightly better choices. However, here is the issue. I am seeing 20+ teams in many cases in a 100 entry pool or 10+ teams in a 50 entry pool with exactly the same team. There is no way this is by fluke and I think it is a bunch of BS. Many writers on rotogrinders provide excellent advice on recommended players but they don’t usually give an exact lineup they recommend. So how is it that you end up with so many teams that are exactly the same when there is an 8 game slate? Seems like someone is telling people their exact lineup for a fee and I really don’t think this is fair at all. If I take the time to make an informed lineup and not copy someones exact lineup, I shouldn’t be penalized for making my own decision instead of being a sheep. I really think this is ruining the integrity of daily sports and I am hoping I don’t run into it as much in the future as I have tonight. Has anybody else noticed this?

  • Heterodox

    @NextSignal said...

    Good thing the supposed shared lineup in this thread wasn’t very good and probably didn’t do much damage tonight. Another instance where it pays to do your own research.

    It’s a problem whether the line up wins or loses. Why do people keep laughing this off? Who makes a line up that wins every single night? Does even the hands down absolute best that ever was or could be?

    As far as the response from Stars, I actually thought it was ok, only because they actually seemed to take OP’s concern seriously, checked to see if there was any digital link between these players (as in, actual collusion), and determined that there wasn’t and they must have just gotten their line ups from somewhere. I don’t know what more they can do in the absence of regulations that would make line up sharing illegal. They can’t just come down on people for having the same line up. I’m generally annoyed by the “what can they do” argument by those who defend the sites no matter what, but this specific issue seems like something that is beyond the reach of any one site. One thing they COULD do is include clear language about line up sharing in their TOS (if they don’t already) and make a serious effort to inform the public about the issue.

    I understand rg doesn’t want to promote these services, but public shame is a powerful tool when there are no concrete sanctions in place to prevent something. Just look at how comics handle joke thieves. If we can litter the internet with references to these guys as cheaters and charlatans, make sure this message is prominent on every message board and forum, make sure google searches for things like “dfs line ups” turn up links about line up sharing being cheating, people will get it and whatever your feeling about the general public is, most of them don’t want to feel like cheaters and don’t want to participate in things that are generally looked down upon. They are probably only buying line ups for the same reasons they buy keno tickets. Someone should start a wikipedia page describing the problems caused by line up sharing/selling services and why it’s bad for the industry and why it violates the spirit of competition.

    That last part is important. The general public thinks of this game as gambling (bear with me here, we can be grown ups about this) and they think of gambling as something that’s not necessarily competitive, or if it is it’s against the house and you have no real chance of winning. They see these ads using the same tactics as the lottery and casinos, and then they hear people tell them “no no it’s a game of skill, you compete against other people not the house” and they think something doesn’t quite add up. That’s why the allegations of cheating were so readily accepted. The connection here is that the competitive aspect of this game is not emphasized enough to the public. People are generally smarter and “better” for lack of a better term than they are given credit for. They don’t want to participate in anything they see as shady or wrong. If they are properly informed of the situation, they will make better decisions around it.

  • ISTACKBREADPEOPLE

    This truly is like insider trading. Every time I’ve e-mailed support on any website they’ve responded similarly.

    Basically, they say it works both ways. If the lineups lose it helps you and they don’t always win and also the guys are entitled to charge for lineups because it takes work.

    With that being said Twitter is riddled with these guys and they prey on newbies who don’t know.

    The only guys who profit are the guys getting tips. These lineups are terrible. Lines break even and because so many people use it you lose money.

    None of these guys are good at math or educate their tippers that you can’t beat the game paying rake, taxes and also tipping some guy on Twitter.

  • Dj80d

    how is this different than going to the best restaurant in town. are u then lazy cuz you didn’t cook ur self no. if you want to spend your money on some one giving you lines ups who cares. funny how people don’t care that some guy makes 100 lineups but 10 guys with the same line up is a big deal.

  • ISTACKBREADPEOPLE

    You go to a restaurant depending on your mood, you eat, you pay and go home. They aren’t saying if you eat our Steak you win X amount of dollars.

    Twitter lineup guys are saying they can give you a better chance to win and help you win more money. You can’t win long term paying these guys tips. You’ll go busto!

  • Dj80d

    so the argument should be y do people waste money like this.

  • smutpeddlers

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    I love people’s analogies hahahaha

  • NextSignal

    @Heterodox said...

    It’s a problem whether the line up wins or loses. Why do people keep laughing this off? Who makes a line up that wins every single night? Does even the hands down absolute best that ever was or could be?

    As far as the response from Stars, I actually thought it was ok, only because they actually seemed to take OP’s concern seriously, checked to see if there was any digital link between these players (as in, actual collusion), and determined that there wasn’t and they must have just gotten their line ups from somewhere. I don’t know what more they can do in the absence of regulations that would make line up sharing illegal. They can’t just come down on people for having the same line up. I’m generally annoyed by the “what can they do” argument by those who defend the sites no matter what, but this specific issue seems like something that is beyond the reach of any one site. One thing they COULD do is include clear language about line up sharing in their TOS (if they don’t already) and make a serious effort to inform the public about the issue.

    I understand rg doesn’t want to promote these services, but public shame is a powerful tool when there are no concrete sanctions in place to prevent something. Just look at how comics handle joke thieves. If we can litter the internet with references to these guys as cheaters and charlatans, make sure this message is prominent on every message board and forum, make sure google searches for things like “dfs line ups” turn up links about line up sharing being cheating, people will get it and whatever your feeling about the general public is, most of them don’t want to feel like cheaters and don’t want to participate in things that are generally looked down upon. They are probably only buying line ups for the same reasons they buy keno tickets. Someone should start a wikipedia page describing the problems caused by line up sharing/selling services and why it’s bad for the industry and why it violates the spirit of competition.

    That last part is important. The general public thinks of this game as gambling (bear with me here, we can be grown ups about this) and they think of gambling as something that’s not necessarily competitive, or if it is it’s against the house and you have no real chance of winning. They see these ads using the same tactics as the lottery and casinos, and then they hear people tell them “no no it’s a game of skill, you compete against other people not the house” and they think something doesn’t quite add up. That’s why the allegations of cheating were so readily accepted. The connection here is that the competitive aspect of this game is not emphasized enough to the public. People are generally smarter and “better” for lack of a better term than they are given credit for. They don’t want to participate in anything they see as shady or wrong. If they are properly informed of the situation, they will make better decisions around it.

    I don’t believe I laughed anything off, and I agreed that it was terrible for DFS. I’m not really sure what else you’re looking for, and think you may have misunderstood me. I also agree with some of what you’re saying, even if you did feel the need to use my comment to set up your rant.

  • smutpeddlers

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    Whatever the case, we all know that this certain person giving out the lineups has sh*tty lineups. So just follow this so called person and look at the lineups and beat them. Done and Done

  • travs424

    in a few days it will be illegal to even make a lineup, so they will sharing their lineup on NBA LIVE 16 you got bigger fish to worry about

  • salarycapfantasy

    @travs424 said...

    in a few days it will be illegal to even make a lineup, so they will sharing their lineup on NBA LIVE 16 you got bigger fish to worry about

    That is too funny. We will all take it underground!

  • Heterodox

    @NextSignal said...

    I don’t believe I laughed anything off, and I agreed that it was terrible for DFS. I’m not really sure what else you’re looking for, and think you may have misunderstood me. I also agree with some of what you’re saying, even if you did feel the need to use my comment to set up your rant.

    There were multiple posts that said things to the effect of “wish those line ups were in my contest,” which is just a variant of the “build better line ups” mantra, which misses the point. I chose to quote yours because it seemed to encapsulate the general misconception. But it was only a starting point. The rest of the post didn’t even have anything to do with that. Don’t be so sensitive. A tad petty to belittle my thoughts as a rant, especially after expressing agreement.

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  • y2mulder

    It’s garbage and collusion, period. Lineup sharing is one thing, but when the same 15 names pop up in the same 50/50 every day with the same lineups, its destroying the concept of a single entry game.

    FanDuel allowed you-know-who to RUIN their 50/50s by having 20-40% of the tournament entries run under his lineups. And then you want me to sign your petition after allowing that garbage? Good luck in court boys.

  • eKing

    Here’s the thing that gets me….. A lot of people who sell lineups or even give them for free have DFS site advertisements and referral links all over their site. Wouldn’t that help identify who is doing this and who to ban? Not to mention, many are blatant about who they are …….. People are so lucky I have no brass in the DFS world yet, but I’m picking my spots wisely here and trust me, when the time is right, these people will be shut down.

  • willyp133

    This is not poker, there is no such thing as collusion in daily sports. If so sites like this shouldn’t exist. Its more of an annoyance than anything. I will agree it does hurt 50/50s.If you are finding yourself losing to these paid lineups stop playing in 50/50s and move to more heads up and smaller leagues.

  • KnickNack

    @bowens1984 said...

    People sell their line ups, Fanduel does nothing to stop it. Its terrible for the industry.

    You could have the best lineup stat wise and still not win. It’s still luck based and how the skaters do. Nothing we can control.

  • KnickNack

    Overall just don’t buy lineups cause u have no idea how they’ll really do. My theory. Do the research on ur own

  • Danwise

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    Exactly.

  • deactivated84401

    @smutpeddlers said...

    Whatever the case, we all know that this certain person giving out the lineups has sh*tty lineups. So just follow this so called person and look at the lineups and beat them. Done and Done

    You are a clown them shitty lineups cash every slate cash and gpp every site while you barely cashing lol if you gone hate at least be accurate. The real problem is ppl who would normally lose now cashing get over it hop on or get rolled on

  • noonan99

    I remember participating in a thread similar to this a year ago.
    Fanduel won’t address the issue.
    I like the idea of having a maximum of 5% of identical lineups in 50/50s.

  • deactivated84892

    Every day before Sunday NFL Lock, I watch ESPN and their shows are very fantasy orientated. They literally share their lineups with millions of viewers.

    FanDuel sponsored a “Daily Fantasy Live” show that can be seen on their YouTube Channel in which anchors shared their lineups.

    A google search can get you to many free sites that offer click of a button optimized lineups.

    I think this thread is somewhat short-sighted in attacking Twitter Sellers. I’d be more empathetic to the Twitter scammers who take money and run.

    Expecting any DFS site to create a black and white rule creating suspicion on duplicate lineups is unreasonable.

    DFS is where we get mad at 1 person for running 100 lineups and 100 people for running 1 lineup.

  • Agoraphobia

    To those of you comparing this to insider trading, what inside information exactly are you saying these lineup sellers have that allows them to get an unfair advantage over everyone else?

    Insider trading and getting stock tips from your financial advisor aren’t the same thing.

  • smutpeddlers

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    @Nesto said...

    You are a clown them shitty lineups cash every slate cash and gpp every site while you barely cashing lol if you gone hate at least be accurate. The real problem is ppl who would normally lose now cashing get over it hop on or get rolled on

    Lol…😭😭😭….. You must be this guy’s personal thread security team haha. Panties in a bunch? I’m not sure these lineups are rolling anywhere but don’t the toilet. Looks like the guys lineups these people are using, hasn’t watched a game of hockey his whole life.

  • smutpeddlers

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    How many peeps with same lineup today? The so called “expert” giving away lineups had SJ stack lol. The 50/50s are probably not doing so hot if they followed him today

  • deactivated84401

    You called him an expert lol not him all his does is share free lineups I’m so confused at this point your attack seems personal and has no merit he doesn’t charge and never once claimed to be better than anyone. This is sad at this point

  • smutpeddlers

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    How do you even know we are talking about the same people? AND why are you so concerned with this person?

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