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  • NIN1002

    Hello everyone who is reading this! First off, if this is in the wrong forum, then I apologize. My hope hear is to talk about my time playing at Yahoo and why I like the Yahoo DFS experience.

    A little bit about me….I have been playing Yahoo DFS pretty much since it rolled out. Before Yahoo DFS, I never played DFS before, so Yahoo was my introduction to DFS. Before I started the Yahoo DFS, I was playing the Pro Leagues at Yahoo pretty much since they were rolled out as well. For those that do not know, Yahoo has season long cash leagues ranging from $20 to $500 in entry fees. Depending on the sport, these are either 10 or 12 man leagues and the top 3 win money. The only other site I checked out for real money season long leagues is CBS, and I believe they keep more of your $$$ and have a different pay out structure. The Yahoo season long leagues (whether free or Pro) really haven’t changed at all over the past 15 years or so, so the interface is tried and true and it works.

    The other thing that you should know about me is I have NEVER played on DK or FD. I cannot make any comparisons to those sites as I have no knowledge or experience with them. I never felt the need to check them out as I’ve been very satisfied with my Yahoo DFS’ing. This article is not meant to break down the pros and cons of Yahoo vs. the other options out there, but merely my observations over the years and evolution of Yahoo’s DFS product. I consider myself a pretty active player, and aim to get in as many contests as possible on the days I have enough time to assemble lineups. I am not a high stakes player, and pretty much draw the line around the $50 mark for what I will enter into, but Yahoo’s games range anywhere from $1 to $5000+ depending on your bankroll and risk tolerance. Really no shortage of options to wet your whistle.

    I started my DFS life not really by design. Yahoo has implanted their “Yahoo Wallet” which is where your winnings from season long leagues end up. That money is on the site, and from my standpoint, I went free rolling with my winnings and that is where my bankroll began. Depositing can be done through your Yahoo Wallet, but I think (not 100% sure on this) you can deposit right off a credit card as well. Either way, your DFS and season long winnings will end up in your Yahoo Wallet and are clearly displayed in the top right corner when you are in the daily fantasy section of Yahoo’s fantasy sports. Cashing out is as simple as making a transfer to your Paypal account, and from there you know what to do. It’s one day to Paypal and one day to your bank account. There is no drivers license, identity verification, etc. needed (not sure what FD or DK’s process is, but I remember from my online poker days trying to cash out was extremely difficult at some of them that it was laughable if you could ever get your money off the site). The entire process is very transparent and requires little more than a Paypal account. Easy beans.

    Playing Yahoo DFS seems to be a simplified form of some of the other sites. I say this in the sense that all their games (football, basketball, baseball, hockey, and soccer) you have a bankroll of $200 to spend on your team. All the players in the player pool are locked into one position, so there is no flexibility with guys who play multiple positions having multiple designations. As we are in basketball season, your lineup is pretty straight forward: PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, UTIL. Eight players. Football you play 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX, and 1 K. Baseball is one player at the eight positions on the diamond and 2 pitchers (no FLEX). There is nothing tricky, deceptive, or complicated about it.

    Working with a budget of $200 is also a simplified version of the other sites, but with smaller numbers. Pretty much eliminating a whole lot of 0’s at the end of a players price in my opinion. I have spent a great deal of time comparing Yahoo pricing to the other sites by just clicking on players and comparing their salary history on all the sites to see if Yahoo is moving the pricing around accordingly. The “bottom of the barrel” players will cost you $10, and it is kind of rare I don’t end up with at least one min priced player in my lineups every day. Truthfully, Yahoo has some quirky pricing which creates unique opportunities that differentiate it from the other sites. It’s not uncommon for me to be mulling over which min salary play I want to use on any given day (as it’s impossible to jam them all in there). The guys that work hard every day to publish the Yahoo experts content from rotogrinders are top notch guys and write just as good articles as anyone FD or DK has writing their daily blurbs (disclaimer: I have a Yahoo premium membership on RG, so I truthfully don’t know how good or bad the other guys are as that content is hidden from me). Yahoo also has some of their own DFS content that is published daily which is a nice secondary reference to use. From my standpoint, I appreciate the simplified pricing and it just makes everything faster and easier in my opinion when putting together lineups.

    Yahoo is smaller than DK or FD…of that I am sure. Once again, this opens up it’s own set of possibilities. The same 50/50’s are out there and range from 10 players to 100 players with the usual range of buy ins. There are a variety of single entry tournaments every day ranging from $1 to $250 if that is your thing. And of course there are the big MTT’s. You should know that the MTT’s are obviously not nearly the scope of what I am sure FD and DK has. The most popular one that is universal in every game is the $1 with a max of 10 entries. This one usually has anywhere between 5000 and 8000 players in it. So, if you are looking for the life changing experience that the big sites promise you (or used to before they modified their marketing approach), Yahoo is not where it’s at. If you are looking for smaller pools with fewer people to sift through, then you have a much better chance at Yahoo to actually win one of these things as law of averages says you would be more likely to win a tourney with 5000 people instead of a tourney with 50000 people. I have taken down a handful of these MTT’s, and I’m more than happy clearing a few thousand dollars. Not all of us are going to be the 1%‘ers that earn their living playing DFS (and I hope most people are realistic with themselves), and winning a few hundred bucks makes me as happy as one can be. So, realizing I’m not looking to become the next millionaire or looking for exotic trips to foreign countries and hanging out with a bunch of bros is just fine by me (I hate traveling anyway). Yahoo has it all in one nice, ultra convenient, easy package for a guy like me who probably loves his season long Pro leagues more than any DFS action. If you are someone who is looking to play some Pro season long leagues, then Yahoo has everything you want in a one stop shop.

    Yahoo has seemed to really amp up it’s marketing and in game interface quite a bit the past 12 months. Imagine my surprise coming to RG almost every day for a couple years to get my info to all of the sudden see a banner at RG announcing a partnership with guaranteed $10,000 overlay for a free tourney for RG members! I never thought I would see that day, and then here it was. I won’t go through some of the internal changes I have noticed at Yahoo, but all I will say is the changes they have made to get yourself into more tourneys faster, easier, and logically find what you are looking for has VASTLY IMPROVED!!! This was something I really hated about Yahoo, but this is no longer an issue so no point in talking about what was in the past and fixed. I have also noticed the MTT’s seem to be growing almost every day with the amount of guaranteed money in them and this is a very promising and exciting thing to see for a Yahoo DFS guy.

    The last thing I want to mention is when I saw this RG/Yahoo partnership for a free tourney they came together for is I went into the forums to see who was talking about this. In the forums, I found that Yahoo has a representative that I guess would be the official Yahoo spokesperson in RG. What Yahoo does not have (or at least publically) is some sort of deposit bonus or reload bonus which always kind of irked me since I got an initial matching deposit bonus when I first started up (who doesn’t like catching some free money?), but then Yahoo discontinued these bonuses and instead offered reward points that can be used to buy into contests. Anyway, reading the forums, DanielHaight (that’s his RG screen name) was offering to match anyone and anything’s deposits or pretty much whatever you wanted. Just zip him a line, and ta da!! You will see your bonus money in place. Like almost every poker site I ever played on, this deposit is earned over a period of time and unlocked based on your entries and how much you spend so it should not be confused with just instantly having a pile of money shoved at you. But, what REALLY impressed me was I sent him a message with a variety of suggestions and things I liked/disliked about the Yahoo DFS experience and he loaded up my account with some of that free money for me to unlock (along with sending me a very long, thought out, detailed message of what Yahoo’s direction is and some of his thoughts on the product). Long story short, I was blown away by him reaching back out to me, responding to every single one of my thoughts and suggestions, and then….get this…actually making the changes to the Yahoo product. I was truly blown away by the response, level of service, and his obvious committed interest to seeing what can Yahoo do to be better. I certainly can’t speak for Dan or Yahoo, but I would guess he would be absolutely willing to work with everyone and listen to what you have to say if you took the time to reach out to him or get some sort of matching bonus for pumping in some money on to the site. I never even asked for a reload bonus…he just thanked me for all my years of playing and being a member that I suppose he felt he could give something back to me. I was genuinely touched by that, his level of response, and actually getting down to business and making some glaring upgrades to the product that were long overdue in my opinion.

    I suppose that’s it. If you read it this far, then thank you. This is not meant to be an attack on FD, DK, or any person, site, or anything like that. Hopefully this was read as just an understanding of why this one guy likes Yahoo DFS and chooses to stay there and no where else. I understand most everyone who reads this probably has deep loyalties to their site of choice and there you go. But, I really hope someone reads this and at least considers checking out what Yahoo is doing out there not only for DFS, but fantasy sports in general with a tremendous amount of daily content (that is 100% free to access). Perhaps Dan will see this post and he can talk about Yahoo and whatever promotions or matching bonuses or whatever Yahoo can do for you. They seem to be VERY open to anything and everything you have to say and will back it up with some $$$.

    Thanks guys and good luck out there!!

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    Awesome Yahoo advertisement. Good luck going forward.

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    Really appreciate the nice words from the OP. And yes, I will match anyone on RG with a deposit bonus that’s earned at 4% of entry fees. And new users can use ‘rg25’ to get $25 worth of entry fees. Sign up through the RG link: Yahoo.

  • NIN1002

    You can call it a Yahoo advertisement if you wish. I suppose in a way, I am doing exactly that.

    And the reason I am doing it is because of the experience I had playing it and my interaction with the said mentioned DanielHaight. It was very positive, and I was amazed at how much reload bonus I received and the quality of his response and candidness. Frankly, I’ve never had such a positive interaction with a nameless, faceless, billion dollar online company before (in fact, whatever interactions I have had with these nameless, faceless, billion dollar online companies before was below average…at best). To that end, and to those that value a real person who seems to legitimately care, I felt I would share my positive experience. I have no idea how long Yahoo will keep this deposit bonus thing going (as Yahoo’s site pretty much states there are no deposit bonuses, so this is more or less an RG thing), so strike while the offer is open I suppose. If they are going to toss you $200 or $500 or whatever you decide to pop in back, that’s a sweet offer. I always hit those reload bonus when Poker Stars had them.

    As a Yahoo player, I would like to see the site grow. I have no vested interest outside of me and feeling compelled to give them some love since I don’t think many people know anything about the Yahoo DFS.

  • AxeGrinder

    Whether Yahoo DFS is great or not..it’s moot for me as they are perhaps the only? DFS company that don’t allow Canadians. For what reason, I will never understand.

  • adamcm21

    @AxeGrinder said...

    Whether Yahoo DFS is great or not..it’s moot for me as they are perhaps the only? DFS company that don’t allow Canadians. For what reason, I will never understand.

    Agree with you. I’d be playing with Yahoo now if they’d allow Canadian players.

  • Orangeflow

    I took a look at their games. They would BLOW UP if they allowed no minimums on their deposits and .25 Jukebox games. DKs main housing of players is .25 Jukebox players who slide in the $1 $2 game slates a few times a month/week. MASSIVE housing of this range keeps DK going. Rest are mid range to high stakes players.

    Create Jukebox contests and “They will come”.

    Could also be the first to offer .50, .75 gpps………man’o‘man will they blow up quick!

    Have them do a market demographics of player games on DK. HUGE portion of the DK player resident “housing” is .25 Jukeboxes. They draw in the people to get their feet wet who are scared or want to learn at low risk! 20 x $1 max entry to put a 20 lineup train in a gpp = $20 on DK = too much risk to learn. But a DK 20 x .25 Jukebox 20 lineup train in a gpp on DK = $5 to learn. People in droves EAT THEM UP as fast as they can list them!

    Also those Jukebox folks who place well tend to be high stakes players once they get more comfortable. (Inevitable)

    Let me know if you guys ever create the Jukeboxes Daniel and I will gladly slide a chunk your way the same day.

    Then Daniel make a post here in the forums announcing you offer Jukeboxes, (hopefully .25, .50, .75) and watch the deposits roll in.

  • eKing

    They are the only company that doesn’t allow Floridians either. I don’t get it…. (unless something recently changed)

  • elving188

    • Blogger of the Month

    Perfect timing with everyone claiming they’d quit FD/DK because of the recent game that was postponed.

    I can confirm those players that I kept up with indeed have not quit playing on either site. I kept up with it just for fun as I figured they were just empty words due to their anger at the time lol

  • odabaco

    The one thing I have difficulty with is when someone reviews a service and says how great it is without any experience of the competitors, for context. That’s like growing up in a country, never going on holiday overseas, and claiming your country is the best in the world, without having lived anywhere else. You might be right, but you’re probably wrong, because you haven’t reviewed it in the greater context of what’s available. Thank you for your experiences, nonetheless.

  • mike291md

    @elving188 said...

    Perfect timing with everyone claiming they’d quit FD/DK because of the recent game that was postponed.

    I can confirm those players that I kept up with indeed have not quit playing on either site. I kept up with it just for fun as I figured they were just empty words due to their anger at the time lol

    Scratch that, I had originally thought my post was deleted. Anyhow, this post^ is ridiculous. Proves nothing but a typical post that is supposed to make you believe things are okay with how the companies respond to issues. I’ll be waiting for this proof that all kinds of people have stayed. I’ve stayed but only til the bankroll runs dry then I’m going to give Yahoo a try again. I had my reasons for not liking Yahoo the first go around, but maybe it’s gotten better.

  • TheDataDetective

    • Blogger of the Month

    I have played quite a bit on all 3 sites (FD, DK, Yahoo) across all major sports. Here’s how I would currently rank them:

    1) FanDuel – best variety of contest types (e.g. full roster, mini, Labs) – best variety of game slates (e.g. all day, 2-4 games for a single time slot, single game) – best user interface for roster construction and live contest scoring (e.g. the little animated sliders showing where you rank) – best promotions & free plays (DK has more free plays but they typically pay fewer spots) – good customer service

    2) Yahoo – best customer service (thanks largely to Daniel Haight’s active presence here on the RG forums) – best deposit bonuses – good roster construction UI (e.g. the little line graphs of recent player performance)

    3) DK – lots of free plays – good variety of contest types and game slates

    If Yahoo improves in a few key areas (variety of contest types and game slates, promotions & free plays) I think they can overtake FD.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @mike291md said...

    . I’ll be waiting for this proof that all kinds of people have stayed. I’ve stayed but only til the bankroll runs dry then I’m going to give Yahoo a try again.

    A bit contradicting. You can simply cash out and deposit at Yahoo. There’s no monetary incentive to stay the course. As Elving pointed out, people want change, but they’re not willing to be part of the change. Your actions, fair or otherwise, support that trend.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @odabaco said...

    The one thing I have difficulty with is when someone reviews a service and says how great it is without any experience of the competitors, for context. That’s like growing up in a country, never going on holiday overseas, and claiming your country is the best in the world, without having lived anywhere else. You might be right, but you’re probably wrong, because you haven’t reviewed it in the greater context of what’s available. Thank you for your experiences, nonetheless.

    If you’re the type that chases those six+ figure paydays? Yahoo simply can’t compete at this time. Personally, I’m only focused on being profitable. Yahoo, due to it’s generous bonuses and much lower rake, gives me the best chance at being profitable. It’s also been my experience that smaller companies tend to offer more personalized customer service. DFS is certainly no exception.

  • g_nagy

    Looks like Yahoo added their version of the quarter arcade for tomorrow’s NBA slate…

  • Yahoo302

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  • madmanjayWV

    Yahoo is a great place to play == wish a boat load of people would hit it up for MLB season to have some nice GPP payouts.

  • elving188

    • Blogger of the Month

    @mike291md said...

    Scratch that, I had originally thought my post was deleted. Anyhow, this post^ is ridiculous. Proves nothing but a typical post that is supposed to make you believe things are okay with how the companies respond to issues. I’ll be waiting for this proof that all kinds of people have stayed. I’ve stayed but only til the bankroll runs dry then I’m going to give Yahoo a try again. I had my reasons for not liking Yahoo the first go around, but maybe it’s gotten better.

    Well, I’ll give you one that is a tout here on RG.
    Eric Crain goes by username jakz101

    Eric Crain

    EricCrain Feb 7 More I've raked $58,671.60 between DK and FD in NBA this year. Either DraftKings @FanDuel can make it right, or this business is available.

    First site to offer refunds gets my NBA business the rest of the year. Any site who doesn’t offer refunds won’t see me in NBA rest of the year.

    If you just go to his profile and see his recent play you can clearly see he’s still playing nightly on both sites. And no refunds were given. Just a garbage freeroll by DK!

    Like I said, I kept up with a few others (on the NBA forum) who said things along the same lines.

    But anyway. Good luck :)

  • mike291md

    @kaetorade said...

    If you’re the type that chases those six+ figure paydays? Yahoo simply can’t compete at this time. Personally, I’m only focused on being profitable. Yahoo, due to it’s generous bonuses and much lower rake, gives me the best chance at being profitable. It’s also been my experience that smaller companies tend to offer more personalized customer service. DFS is certainly no exception.

    Yeah, that’s a good point. Yahoo or another site needs to find a way to match the big GPP’s that a DraftKings or FanDuel can run. Not much incentive to leave and go there if you are a six-figure player.

  • frugal

    Love Yahoo DFS. Interesting to see .25 games now.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @elving188 said...

    Well, I’ll give you one that is a tout here on RG.
    Eric Crain goes by username jakz101

    Eric Crain

    EricCrain Feb 7 More I've raked $58,671.60 between DK and FD in NBA this year. Either DraftKings @FanDuel can make it right, or this business is available.

    First site to offer refunds gets my NBA business the rest of the year. Any site who doesn’t offer refunds won’t see me in NBA rest of the year.

    If you just go to his profile and see his recent play you can clearly see he’s still playing nightly on both sites. And no refunds were given. Just a garbage freeroll by DK!

    Like I said, I kept up with a few others (on the NBA forum) who said things along the same lines.

    But anyway. Good luck :)

    1)You don’t know if they did or didn’t ‘accommodate’ him. However, if you’re going to play that game, assume that they did.

    2)Giving such an ultimatum is beyond childish. I get that people were angry. I, too, was upset. More than a little upset, actually. However, I find it difficult to place the DFS sites at fault. What Yahoo did, while great for the players, sets a dangerous precedent. DFS sites are seemingly struggling as is. Adding more financial responsibility isn’t going to lower the rake anytime soon.

  • jebaker22

    Daniel… if you could look up my account.. its also JBake1b35. I have deposited quite a bit the past few months ( and won some too the past year :) ) Any deposit bonuses you could add to my account would be greatly appreciated

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @jebaker22 said...

    Daniel… if you could look up my account.. its also JBake1b35. I have deposited quite a bit the past few months ( and won some too the past year :) ) Any deposit bonuses you could add to my account would be greatly appreciated

    Done!

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @DanielHaight said...

    Done!

    Yet another reason why I’ve moved my action over to Yahoo!

  • divusjulius

    • Blogger of the Month

    i think i’ll give their MLB product a shot this season b/c of the better rake

  • noddy

    @divusjulius said...

    i think i’ll give their MLB product a shot this season b/c of the better rake

    Me too. Especially if the GPP’s are pretty big.

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