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  • Mphst18

    From your website on community guidelines:

    “Team-building a lineup, or a set of complementary lineups which serve to work together, to execute a strategy that may create any unfair advantage over individual play”

    I do not understand how you do not classify what is going on as an example of the above situation.

    Myself and anyone else that plays as individual is at an unfair advantage as one individual only has so much time to research and utilize data to build a lineup, while these 3 have 3 times the amount of time and then build identical lineups to create an unfair advantage against individual play. They don’t even bother to differentiate the way the lineups are entered (all in the exact same order).

    The only other case that could be made is that one of the 3 makes the lineup and the other three copy it but that isn’t going to help your “Skill” verbatim around the legality of the sport.

    While these individuals provide much more rake than I do to you guys they are clearly violating your rules. Are you going to do anything about it?

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26588856?uc=470716397

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26834127?uc=471339295

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/27224326?uc=471315951

    RG: if you had to vote who do you think builds the lineups and who do you think copies and pastes and enters them (Assani, AEjones, Wdrzich)

    Its not about winning or losing, its that these individuals and others like them are going to lead to the end of DFS.

  • Avgplayer

    @Cal said...

    Hey MPH, this post crosses the line. Your original post also sets the tone that one of these three is creating the lineup and sharing with the others. That is pure speculation, but not clearly posted as such. I’ve asked you before not to do this. You can disagree with what Assani is doing but you can’t call him a cheater if he is not cheating.

    People are allowed to work together to create lineups. Multiple websites, including this one, have live shows in which the analysts on the show build a lineup together.

    I don’t know if you understand how making this statement looks. I could go on about how there has been several threads with (alleged) proof and you never comment about the issues raised or how you’re staff attacks the posters but why bother.

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    @Avgplayer said...

    with (alleged) proof

    ^ oxymoron

  • Avgplayer

    @DoubleTime said...

    ^ oxymoron

    Keep up the great work!

  • deactivated51600

    @Avgplayer said...

    Keep up the great work!

    I have to agree. DoubleTime did great work in pointing out a clear contradiction in Avgplayer’s statement.

  • CrazyGabey

    lol

  • DoubleTime

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    thanks guys

  • deactivated84892

    What a trainwreck.

    Jesus.

  • Stewburtx8

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    @jhorst52 said...

    This has to be one of the funniest posts I have ever read….thank you for starting my Friday with a good laugh.

    I’m glad someone appreciated it

  • C7F7G7

    Assani loves to come off as the guy who wants to earnestly discuss things and the problems the DFS ecosystem has. But, at the end of the day, he’s been saying the same stuff for a year or two now. Basically agreeing that some of his practices are unethical, negligent to the greater good of the community, and how important it is that he be involved in “fixing the issues” Yet all the same, his actual gray area behavior continues and actually gets worse.

    He’d be a great politician. Talking about issues without ever offering anything of substance, and even when he does, he’ll just fall back on scapegoating the site while he rakes his contests and continues to bum hunt low level guys.

    There are many people who have a good amount of money to pool into DFS that simply do not because of things like what they hear on DFS Pro Podcasts (the Pokerlife pods, Assanis on VLOG) all, without intending to, turn off a lot of potential high end guppies like me who basically decided this Pros vs Joes DFS life was unwinnable unless I made friends with a Pro, was here from the beginning and built myself a stable of other pros who shared info, etc etc. It’s a complete racket to any one with an ounce of intelligence. Multi millions spent on advertising to drive every day guppies to the sites so the pros can line em up, collude, bum hunt, and just flat out pound every last nickel out of them.

    I spent a lot of money last year on DK. I then started reading posts/seeing podcasts from these pros and I was just so turned off by how rigged the system is. Pros WILL bring down the popularity of these sites, it’s just a matter of time – and who cares, they were in early – had a big bankroll to get started and made friends and worked together – so you’ll have made your money and be onto the next fad that requires a former poker pro or degen gambler’s Members Only Jacket.

  • deactivated51600

    I was reviewing some of the Double Ups that are currently Live.

    While Aejones and Wdrzich do have matching line ups, Assani’s line up does not match theirs. Sorry if I come across as playing devil’s advocate. From the events I looked at it seems he has a line up that is unique only to him. I also played a $1 H2H vs him and looks as though he played the same unique LU in H2H’s as well.

    Just think it’s fair to also point out examples where he does not have a line up that is a duplicate of the others. He’s taken a lot of heat here. fwiw.

  • deactivated60279

    Cal, I understand where you are coming from on this but I’m not sure it’s quite fair. I heard MPHSt18 got banned for this and that seems harsh to me. With all due respect, there were many posts in the Daut/mir thread that were speculation and I don’t think action was taken to the best of my knowledge. I just hope harsher action isn’t taken cause of who’s involved as I know Assani has a great relationship with RG and Mphst has a history of let’s say calling out RG staff for what he sees as contrary to the greater good of Dfs. I’ve just never seen you post anything like this publicly then ban someone after the fact and it can be dangerous as these forums have pointed out some scandals and issues that may have gone unnoticed. You can say what you want but I’m very confident MPHST just wants a fair and level playing field in DFS.

  • cutter2225

    Anyone here that’s familiar with the SBR forums knows how biased their mods are when dealing with and usually banning anyone that speaks out about a sponsor book and unfortunately it appears to slowly be happening here. It’s easy to understand that sites like SBR and RotoGrinders are making good revenue from kickbacks but once you start banning people for raising concerns about fairness and potential unethical behavior within the industry, you become part of the problem and not the solution.

  • Cal

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    @cutter2225 said...

    Anyone here that’s familiar with the SBR forums knows how biased their mods are when dealing with and usually banning anyone that speaks out about a sponsor book and unfortunately it appears to slowly be happening here. It’s easy to understand that sites like SBR and RotoGrinders are making good revenue from kickbacks but once you start banning people for raising concerns about fairness and potential unethical behavior within the industry, you become part of the problem and not the solution.

    Cutter, your post is the kind of post that raised red flags for us with MPH. What you’re posting is not true, but you’re posting it as fact. MPH was not banned for raising issues with a site that we advertise. He was banned for calling Assani a cheater even though what he is doing is not cheating. Making lineups with friends, teams, etc is allowed. We have a GrindersLive roundtable show in which our hosts build a DraftKings team together, for example.

    If you don’t agree with that being allowed then you should raise the issue. But you shouldn’t post on a forum that someone is “clearly violating the rules” if they are not violating the rules. You shouldn’t call them a cheater if they are not cheating. You shouldn’t imply one person is creating the lineup and the other two are copy and pasting if you have no idea if that is the case Instead, you should say “I don’t think this should be allowed because of X, Y, Z.”

    If MPH can demonstrate he understands this point he’ll be unbanned.

  • Cal

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    @Greenie222 said...

    Cal, I understand where you are coming from on this but I’m not sure it’s quite fair. I heard MPHSt18 got banned for this and that seems harsh to me. With all due respect, there were many posts in the Daut/mir thread that were speculation and I don’t think action was taken to the best of my knowledge. I just hope harsher action isn’t taken cause of who’s involved as I know Assani has a great relationship with RG and Mphst has a history of let’s say calling out RG staff for what he sees as contrary to the greater good of Dfs. I’ve just never seen you post anything like this publicly then ban someone after the fact and it can be dangerous as these forums have pointed out some scandals and issues that may have gone unnoticed. You can say what you want but I’m very confident MPHST just wants a fair and level playing field in DFS.

    Point taken Greenie. MPH was warned in another thread for posting speculation as fact and contacted by a mod. At this point we want to be confident he understands the issues we have with him before reinstating.

    He’s also made good contributions and raised issues about DK that I’ve discussed with DK directly. The post that he made about Daut44 and the one RangerC made about the PGA milly maker were both important topics. Let’s keep those coming, but also keep them honest and constructive.

  • Cal

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    @Cal said...

    Point taken Greenie. MPH was warned in another thread for posting speculation as fact and contacted by a mod. At this point we want to be confident he understands the issues we have with him before reinstating.

    He’s also made good contributions and raised issues about DK that I’ve discussed with DK directly. The post that he made about Daut44 and the one RangerC made about the PGA milly maker were both important topics. Let’s keep those coming, but also keep them honest and constructive.

    Not only were those posts important topics, they were probably the biggest influencers on the creation of the new Community Guidelines.

  • TwoSHAE

    Cal—

    One thing you have to realize with someone on mphst’s level is there is a 0% chance he doesn’t come back posting on a new account within a few weeks with the same insufferable altruistic psychobabble. You’re better off just not banning him so at least everyone knows it’s him and no one has to play the guessing game.

  • Mphst18

    @cherylwin said...

    I am a new player in DFS. I played 3 weeks of baseball and a $1 double-up in NFL this week. After reading this thread Assani, I can assure you that if I see you in my $1 Double-up , I will quit DFS on the spot.

    This should be the takeaway it is reality not perception.

    Anyone with a vested Interest in the longevity of dfs should understand the implications of these behaviors and the impacts they have.

  • Mphst18

    @TwoSHAE said...

    Cal—

    One thing you have to realize with someone on mphst’s level is there is a 0% chance he doesn’t come back posting on a new account within a few weeks with the same insufferable altruistic psychobabble. You’re better off just not banning him so at least everyone knows it’s him and no one has to play the guessing game.

    Thankfully I choose not to engage in circumventing rules no matter how easy it may be, I choose to respect the decision of the site even if I strongly disagree.

  • Mphst18

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I’m glad someone appreciated it

    The part about the check was good and most likely true, the rest was a bit of a stretch but still entertaining.

  • Mphst18

    @Cal said...

    He was banned for calling Assani a cheater even though what he is doing is not cheating

    The optics here are what I draw issue with. Without going tit for tat the other party proclaimed I was a troll even though what I was doing was not trolling.

    Rather then apply the same stance (calling someone something even though what they are doing is not what they are accused of according to RG) against both parties the appearance is instead it chooses to tweet out links to one parties vlog while silencing the other party.

  • cutter2225

    @Mphst18 said...

    The optics here are what I draw issue with. Without going tit for tat the other party proclaimed I was a troll even though what I was doing was not trolling.

    Rather then apply the same stance (calling someone something even though what they are doing is not what they are accused of according to RG) against both parties the appearance is instead it chooses to tweet out links to one parties vlog while silencing the other party.

    A level playing field doesn’t and sadly never will exist within the DFS sites or on here. As my responses will attest, I’m in agreeance with most of what you’ve posted. Pretty crappy when you can’t freely speak your mind, especially when it’s done without vulgarity.

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    @C7F7G7 said...

    Assani loves to come off as the guy who wants to earnestly discuss things and the problems the DFS ecosystem has. But, at the end of the day, he’s been saying the same stuff for a year or two now. Basically agreeing that some of his practices are unethical, negligent to the greater good of the community, and how important it is that he be involved in “fixing the issues” Yet all the same, his actual gray area behavior continues and actually gets worse.

    This couldn’t be further from the truth. I can think of 3 examples where I was a huge advocate of a rule change that would benefit the lower stakes community and the rules got changed:

    1. The main issue at first was pros playing low stakes. RayOfHope and I got into a public debate about it and I had private meetings with FanDuel about it. My stance was that you shouldn’t outright block anyone from playing low stakes(because you don’t truly know their bankroll situation- maybe they’ve recently lost a bunch or maybe they’re staked for the high stakes games you see them playing), but I thought that a limit on the number of low stakes contests a person plays was necessary. Both sites adopted rule changes in line with what I was advocating. On FanDuel NFL Main Slate, for example, pros almost never play $1 or $2 HUs now because they only have 250 contests at $10 and below, so they use all 250 at $5s and $10s. These rule changes hurt my ability to make money and helped the low stakes community.

    2. In one of my early video blogs I advocated more beginner’s only contests. While this seems like an obvious thing now, I“m pretty sure I was the first person to publicly call for this(I could be wrong on that). DK already had beginner’s contests and FD has since added them. This rule change hurt my ability to make money and helped the low stakes community.

    3. In one of my early video blogs I advocated for a mechanism whereby you could hover over a person’s username and see their relative experience level. Again I think I was the first person to publicly call for this(I could be wrong on this). The badge system that both sites have adopted is very similar to what I was suggesting. This rule change hurt my ability to make money and helped the low stakes community.

    “Yet all the same, his actual gray area behavior continues and actually gets worse.”…..What specifically are you talking about??? The ONLY evidence presented in this entire thread is that in week 1 NFL I played 10 slates and on 1/10 I shared a LU with Aaron Jones. And in week 2 I think it was 0/10.

    And so now the issue seems to be “Should pros enter the quarter arcade?” I could do a video blog saying that I think pros shouldn’t be allowed in it. I could tweet about it. I could mention it to the higher-ups at the sites….but what good would it do? Would it actually make everyone happy finally? I don’t think it would. I think you guys would then jump to a new issue(“Well pros shouldn’t be in the $1 GPPs either!!!”), you would completely forget that I helped you get what you wanted, and you’d make posts like this that make me out to be the bad guy.

  • Mphst18

    @AssaniFisher said...

    The badge system that both sites have adopted is very similar to what I was suggesting. This rule change hurt my ability to make money and helped the low stakes community.

    I will try to make this constructive, you truly believe the badge system on DK helps identify anything. Go look at the $1 H2H lobby now for baseball, everyone has the same badge, you think the experience level of you is the same as all these players.?

    I have no idea what your suggestion was but the current badge system for me is just pulling wool over the eyes and does nothing to help transparency.

    How hard is it for them to show an individuals win rate at each level of H2H per sport, the contests are graded automatically so the sites already have a W/L identifier.

  • Mphst18

    @AssaniFisher said...

    And so now the issue seems to be “Should pros enter the quarter arcade?” I could do a video blog saying that I think pros shouldn’t be allowed in it. I could tweet about it. I could mention it to the higher-ups at the sites….but what good would it do? Would it actually make everyone happy finally? I don’t think it would. I think you guys would then jump to a new issue

    Why should people settle for one issue that should have never existed in the first place be the end all be all for change and improvement.

    Shouldn’t we always seek for improvement in all aspects of our life regardless of the number of improvements or changes we have to go through?

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    @C7F7G7 said...

    Pros WILL bring down the popularity of these sites, it’s just a matter of time

    Of course the edges in DFS will eventually dry up(and once edges dry up, the popularity of the sites will probably dry up). It happened to poker and it will happen to any type of game where a lot of money is at stake and there is a rake being taken by the house. It is not the skill of the top pros that matters, but rather it is the skill level of the average amateur that matters. Once the skill level of the average amateur gets to a point whereby nobody can beat rake vs them then the ecosystem will dry up.

    So when someone says that they want the games to remain profitable forever(or for a very long time), what they’re really saying is that they want the human race to collectively remain really bad at playing the game. That goes against the spirit of humanity imo, and thats simply not how our species works- we get better and better at things, and living in the internet age only expedites this process. One day the average 10 year old will be better than Assani Fisher is now at DFS. While this is bad for DFS’ longevity, this is good for the human race. The advances that we collectively make in understanding game theory as it applies to DFS can have unintended positive applications to other areas of study, many of which could be instrumental in helping us better understand and explore ourselves(reverse-engineering our brains), our solar system, and the eventual merging of humans with computer technology.

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