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  • bootcampfan

    I have asked this question in regards to golf and nascar but will ask for baseball as well, as its something I struggle with. I play the 20 max tourney quite a bit and was wondering how narrowed down my player pool should be. Last night I narrowed it down to 8 pitchers and 8 stacks that I played. So last night that means I disregarded almost 75% of the teams, which I thought was pretty good. For a 20 max is this still way too many?? Any suggestions on the kinds of numbers I should be at?? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

  • DSofM

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    I would probably try cutting those numbers down more… 5-6 pitchers tops and maybe 4 stacks

  • divusjulius

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    that is too many stacks to have an optimal distribution of core and supplemental players in a 20 entry max (IMHO). with 5 or 6 pitchers one can’t even get each pitcher combo with the different stack/supp lineups….

    i’m nowhere near as proficient at MME as the experienced sharps, but i’m guessing that using that many stacks is resulting in the frustrating experience of having a lot of guys with big scores but spread out over the LU’s and not coordinated enough to result in a deep run/cash…

    are you using a core with those stacks (with 8 i guess it would have to be a core of supplemental players)? you will probably encounter more success if you use a core/stack strat in a 20 max.

  • bootcampfan

    yep thats exactly what is happening! Last night I had 1 of 20 lineups cash. The other 19 ended up pretty much right in the middle. If you will, could you explain more what you mean by a core/stack strategy???

  • divusjulius

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    i’ll try…ok first decide if the slate needs you to stack a team/team or create a core. These are similar but not the same. Stacking a team properly means creating enough lineups so that you have every player (if not every combo of players) from that team—the goal being to maximize coverage so that we don’t miss the guys that go off. Note this is different from mini-stacking which is to take 2/3 players from a team b/c we thing they are optimal spots…note that these two forms of stacking have different goals (IMHO it is silly o do a 4 or 5 player stack without team stacking).
    —the next step, if team stacking, is to fill in the supplementary players, and again the decision boils down to exposure, from the extreme of the same supp players with each version of the team stack, or a diffuse mix of optimized players with each stack.

    a core generally refers to a group of 2 to 5 players -maybe on same team or not-which are in such good spots you put that core in all your lineups.
    —you then fill in the optimized supp players based on desired exposure from your supp player pool.

    • a core can be a stack from a team, or a group of supplemental players. the easiest way to imagine how a core works is when you lock in the same SP 1 and SP 2 on all your DK lineups, just remember it can be hitters or pitchers.
    • I was having the same problems when i first started MME (i only do 20 max’s too)…but after examining how smart/winning players MME’d made lineups and eventually developed this strategy. I think if you think about this approach as opposed to your current, you will see the differneces, and how this allows for more coordination so that on a night your picks go off, you should have several deep runs.

    ***Please note this is for 20 max. I honestly think that a 150+ MME strat is going to have variations as the strat now need to think abou thtngs like % of total entries purchased when developing exposure ratios…and i think lineup optimizers are far more necessary for 150+ MME, not just because of the automation speed, but to get “take advantage of varience”.

    ****again, i admit i’m still learnng; if any experts want to add in, or point out errors in my analysis, please do!

  • bootcampfan

    ok that really helps! Appreciate it!

  • Priptonite

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    You should really avoid making rules for yourself in DFS. Let the slate and how you feel about it dictate your strategy. You may want to stack the same team 20 times with a few variations on pitchers and supplemental bats. Or you may want to focus on 2 teams, 3 teams, etc. You don’t want to put yourself in a situation where you’re making -EV decisions just for the sake of making sure you’ve used 5 different pitchers.

  • bootcampfan

    Makes sense. I’ve tried looking for reasons to put in set rules. I need to quit doing that

  • draped

    ive been having the most success this year doing 20 entry max by going with 2-3 pitchers and a single main stack. I then fill in with whatever I think is optimal.

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