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  • ifthethunder

    Saturday: Pocono Organics 325

    Sunday: Pocono 350

    Teams are supposed to use the same car for both races. Or else start at the back of the pack on Sunday.
    ~

  • Pandamonious

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    @monarch said...

    Where does Logano need to finish to be a must play? I think its tricky because all the JGR guys are high ceiling plays and an argument can be made that their team is just really better today than Penske and you want all of them considering they have PD built in as well. So Logano finishing maybe 18th might not be necessary?

    Yeah, you probably need Logano to finish 10th or better. He was probably a top 5 car yesterday, so definitely possible. He was 8th when he blew a tire with 8 laps to go.

  • Pandamonious

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    In case people aren’t aware yet. These guys will all be scored from their qualifying spots.

    Bob Pockrass
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    3h
    Dropping to rear on pace laps for Cup with starting spot (still have tech to do):
    1st-Preece (engine)
    7th-Byron (engine)
    25th-Elliott (transmission)
    27th-Bowman (backup)
    30th-Reddick (backup)
    36th-Logano (backup)
    38th-Jones (backup)
    39th-McLeod (transmission)
    40th-Houff (backup)

  • monarch

    @Pandamonious said...

    Yeah, you probably need Logano to finish 10th or better. He was probably a top 5 car yesterday, so definitely possible. He was 8th when he blew a tire with 8 laps to go.

    He was really strong. Penske was good but they have been strong when the three of them are around each other. This race they will not have that benefit early on so I see that as a red flag.

  • realphipps

    Preece to the rear makes front row Kurt Busch more interesting.

  • depalma13

    So much overlay in a lot of these Xfinity qualifiers, I just couldn’t help myself and entered all of them.

  • mbunner23

    Today seems like the day where you completely punt with one driver and load your lineup with the other 4.

  • Pandamonious

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    @realphipps said...

    Preece to the rear makes front row Kurt Busch more interesting.

    Yeah, he probably won’t get the lead immediately, but definitely could get past Dillon in a couple laps. From there it just depends how quickly Keselowski and the other stud cars get to him. Then of course how far he falls back. Leading 20 laps and finishing something like 15th, isn’t going to cut it.

  • Pandamonious

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    @mbunner23 said...

    Today seems like the day where you completely punt with one driver and load your lineup with the other 4.

    Yeah, Houff is going to gain traction all day. Already getting touted everywhere it seems.

  • depalma13

    Burton is such a bad driver. Why do I always use him.

  • thebigboy

    @Pandamonious said...

    In case people aren’t aware yet. These guys will all be scored from their qualifying spots.

    Bob Pockrass
    @bobpockrass
    ·
    3h
    Dropping to rear on pace laps for Cup with starting spot (still have tech to do):
    1st-Preece (engine)
    7th-Byron (engine)
    25th-Elliott (transmission)
    27th-Bowman (backup)
    30th-Reddick (backup)
    36th-Logano (backup)
    38th-Jones (backup)
    39th-McLeod (transmission)
    40th-Houff (backup)

    What does this mean for DK? Are they still starting in the same spots?

  • monarch

    @thebigboy said...

    What does this mean for DK? Are they still starting in the same spots?

    They are scored from the original spots but starting further back especially in the case of Ryan Preece and William Byron

  • Pandamonious

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    @thebigboy said...

    What does this mean for DK? Are they still starting in the same spots?

    They’re all moving to the back, and will be scored from their qualifying spot. So, like Preece, I will believe will technically be starting 32nd now, but will still be scored from 1st.

    The left column is where I believe they’re starting from, with the end column being where they’ll be scored from.

    32 Preece (engine)- 1st
    33 Byron (engine)- 7th
    34 Elliott (transmission)- 25th
    35 Bowman (backup)- 27th
    36- Reddick (backup)- 30th
    37 Logano (backup)- 36th
    38 Jones (backup)- 38th
    39 McLeod (transmission)- 39th
    40 Houff (backup)- 40th

  • Kassdog

    They are scored from the qualified starting position.

  • monarch

    So Joey (not as popular as Quinn Houff) Gase is sitting on positive PD off the jump?

  • gje627

    @Pandamonious said...

    They’re all moving to the back, and will be scored from their qualifying spot. So, like Preece, I will believe will technically be starting 32nd now, but will still be scored from 1st.

    The left column is where I believe they’re starting from, with the end column being where they’ll be scored from.

    32 Preece (engine)- 1st
    33 Byron (engine)- 7th
    34 Elliott (transmission)- 25th
    35 Bowman (backup)- 27th
    36- Reddick (backup)- 30th
    37 Logano (backup)- 36th
    38 Jones (backup)- 38th
    39 McLeod (transmission)- 39th
    40 Houff (backup)- 40th

    Actually, in the back, unless they changed the rules, I believe cars moving to the back start according to owner’s points. So here is where I believe they will “start” the race ….

    33. Chase Elliott
    34. Alex Bowman
    35. William Byron
    36. Tyler Reddick
    37. Erik Jones
    38. Ryan Preece
    39. Quin Houff
    40. BJ McLeod

    Again … this is the not official start as they will be scored from their original starting positions ….

    Even more confusing ….

    The order will even be somewhat different than what I said ….

    Why?

    Because it depends on whether your original starting position is odd or even … since only the pole sitter (or restart leader after the race starts) has lane choice and starting position 2 is in the position not taken by the pole sitter. Since the pole sitter is moving to the back, Austin Dillon as an even-numbered start position car will still automatically start outside Row 1 and Kurt Busch inside Row 1.

    Beyond that, when cars move to the back, they simply move up in the lane they are in and not by position. In this regards, even numbered starting position cars always start in the outside lane and odd numbered starting position cars always start in the inside lane.

    So, for example, for today’s race … for the first three rows, only the inside lane moves up to take advantage of Preece going to the back. Thus, the first three rows on the outside still start in the exact same position they would had Preece remained on the pole.

    Also … tech still going on … so things can still change depending on whether or not anybody else is forced to the rear.

  • Pandamonious

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    @gje627 said...

    Actually, in the back, unless they changed the rules, I believe they will start according to owner’s points. So here is where they will “start” the race ….

    I’m pretty certain you’re right.

    Although I enjoy NASCAR, and NASCAR DFS, I’m pretty void of knowledge on specific rules and the way they handle certain situations like you’ve all laid out there.

  • siddom

    leave $1k on the table today?

  • realphipps

    I’ve got 20% Wrecky and I’m not even drunk. Or drinking.

  • ifthethunder

    @realphipps said...

    I’ve got 20% Wrecky and I’m not even drunk. Or drinking.

    I opened my first beer already. OTOH, I have no Wrecky. Good luck to you nonetheless, Mister Phipps!
    ~

  • depalma13

    Pretty sure. I just lost all of my Xfinity drivers there.

  • Going back to the jones reddick well again, was irked yesterday, watch them wreck again.

    Feel like kurt could lead some early laps out the gate but idk if it’s worth it at 8300. I like austin as well but again have to imagine these guys are going backwards eventually.

  • monarch

    I think this race will be a little more aggressive and greater potential for incidents which should bode well for extreme punts

  • goboltsgo

    So just an opinion that has nothing to back it up…. I feel that Houff on DK is a trap and isnt going to be worth it taking a good chunk of the field out b/c of how hes being touted, on the other hand i’ll be damned if i didnt just change one of my LU to having Houff in it.

  • monarch

    Anyone know where I can find green flag speed for yesterday’s race?

  • Pandamonious

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    @monarch said...

    Anyone know where I can find green flag speed for yesterday’s race?

    10th one down.

    https://tobychristie.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/LD12014_POST_POSTBOOK.pdf

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