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  • Unico10

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    @PrenticeGT said...

    The NBA is already a disaster. No one is watching it.

    NBA is by far the most watched worldwide of the 3 leagues
    US -> 300 millions World -> Billions

  • captainwacky

    @Unico10 said...

    NBA is by far the most watched worldwide of the 3 leagues
    US -> 300 millions World -> Billions

    Yeah but in the 80’s we woulda boycotted these sissies.

  • Unico10

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    Simons played around 25 minutes last few games and tonight so far got 9… that just to round up the night

  • Unico10

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    @captainwacky said...

    Yeah but in the 80’s we woulda boycotted these sissies.

    Lol 😂

  • PrenticeGT

    @captainwacky said...

    Yeah but in the 80’s we woulda boycotted these sissies.

    Edit: Quoted wrong person. Disregard.

  • Unico10

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    My first draft was
    Rozier
    Melton
    Bale
    Tilman
    Kanter
    Dame
    Roco
    DJJ

    Sometimes we are our worst enemies

  • jv21

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    @captainwacky said...

    You guys are acting like you’re forced to play…

    I’m getting smoked. I had a bunch of steph, and pretty much 100 percent tillman and a ton of bane. It’s not fun, but you are literally gambling on a multi-variable contest that includes two platforms. How are you guys still surprised by any of these annoyances at this point (whether its optimizers, news, late scratches, scoring systems, idgaf)?

    This is the only point that I consistently bring up that I’m truly serious about: understand the holistic of gambling and what your goal is in it. If you’re trying to be successful, then there’s no chance that whining about it repeatedly helps your constructive mental side.

    If you’re here to have some fun, then I guess I commend you for finding a forum about DFS while being very casual, but this still shouldn’t be that surprising (albeit not as cool as it could be).

    I think the main difference between just gambling like slots is dfs is supposedly also skill based. If I spend hours doing research I would hope it helps. I know I am not expected to win and variance exist. But these late & unexpected info/news are going beyond what we can consider variance IMO. They are slate breaking. Joel Embiid being out led to a 72 fantasy point game by Ben Simmons against Utah. Tonight Steph being out made Wiggins & Oubre much better plays. Knowing that Bagley being on minutes I would assumed is good info to not play him. Instead it rewarded does who did cause a lot of people got off. Did we level ourself, I am not sure?

    Dfs is fun I will still play it. But it feels different this season and I can understand why people complain.

  • PrenticeGT

    @Unico10 said...

    NBA is by far the most watched worldwide of the 3 leagues
    US -> 300 millions World -> Billions

    What? Go look up TV ratings for last year’s finals and this year. No one is watching this garbage. I’m not even gonna argue about. The NBA is dead, unless you live in China, NY or LA.

  • captainwacky

    I agree this season has been more frustrating than typical ones. I’m just talking about how you process the frustration and try and account for these things (even though some of them are literally impossible to on their own).

    Accounting for them means hedging your exposure (both of your bankroll and the players in your pool). Accounting for them means changing your habits if you can’t hawk the news. Sometimes you can take slates off. Or, just don’t get infuriated at something you knew was coming.

  • RipCityRings

    Captainwacky, the issue is that DFS as a product only works if there’s a modicum of integrity and ground rules established/respected. Of course there are limitless variables involved, but these are not complex problems to solve. It would take about 3 minutes for the league to mandate that actual lineups are released early and on time every day, that injury reports are transparent and accurate, and that Covid testing should maybe be done early enough in the day that players aren’t being literally pulled off the court mid-game.

    There are only two possible reasons these things aren’t being done: The league or its business partners are profiting from this glaring lack of transparency, or they are outright incompetent. I don’t really see any merit in just sitting back and saying, “oh well, half my lineups had a 0% chance of not losing money before a single minute of a single game was played, and this happens roughly 50% of the time, but better to not dwell on it and just move on.”

    DFS cannot exist as an entertainment product without a reasonable baseline of transparency. We are the reason it’s successful, and I guarantee if daily players are getting burned this often, casual ones are going to turn away even faster.

  • yisman

    Draymond
    again
    he’s the opposite of clutch

  • captainwacky

    That’s why I mentioned two platforms; you need to have as much integrity and customer service as possible for the DFS sites, as that is the actual product. The NBA couldn’t care less about fantasy sports.

    I know, incoming “well people watch the game and give them money for fantasy, game is dying, yada yada”… They’re printing money hand over fist, and will continue to. They do not care.

  • Unico10

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    Did we all sleep on RoLo revenge game?

  • Njsum1

    @RipCityRings said...

    DFS stops being a game when you become the subject of constant disinformation and outright lies, players magically becoming unavailable minutes after lock or right at tip with no warning, zero accountability anywhere. It used to be a relatively level playing field in which succeeded or failed based upon your own choices, now it’s become both a full-time job and a sucker’s bet.

    Bagley was on fire, so he get extra run.

    I’m sure you understand the COVID environment in which this season is being played, scratches are going to be a part of it. You don’t have to play, or you could play less. I’ve been playing much lighter then seasons past for the reasons you stated.

    IMO, no late swap would benefit casual players greatly and make it feel like less of a full time job, yet it is what is, and with late swap we’ll be checking news all night.

  • RipCityRings

    @captainwacky said...

    That’s why I mentioned two platforms; you need to have as much integrity and customer service for the DFS sites. The NBA could care less about fantasy sports.

    I know, incoming “well people watch the game and give them money for fantasy, game is dying, yada yada”… They’re printing money hand over fist, and will continue to. They do not care.

    How much advertising revenue does the league bring in from FD/DK though? And how much does viewership reflect the rise of DFS? I would guess that the league is a lot more financially intertwined with DFS than people might realize.

    If the league just shrugs its transparency issues off as a DFS problem, it’s a certainty that the DFS platforms will shift the burden to their customers unless some form of regulation exists. And even outside the world of DFS, what happens when fans are back in stadiums and they don’t get to see their favorite player live because he decided he was sick 30 seconds before tip? It’s an easily fixable problem that essentially hurts only the NBA’s fans, and I would imagine that erosion of good will is going to come back to bite them eventually.

  • RipCityRings

    @Njsum1 said...

    Bagley was on fire, so he get extra run.

    I’m sure you understand the COVID environment in which this season is being played, scratches are going to be a part of it. You don’t have to play, or you could play less. I’ve been playing much lighter then seasons past for the reasons you stated.

    IMO, no late swap would benefit casual players greatly and make it feel like less of a full time job, yet it is what is, and with late swap we’ll be checking news all night.

    I still haven’t heard a compelling argument for why Covid testing isn’t done hours in advance of games. It’s objectively amateurish and embarrassing to have superstars being pulled off the court mid-game because no one can decide if they’ve been cleared before tip-off.

  • Njsum1

    @RipCityRings said...

    I still haven’t heard a compelling argument for why Covid testing isn’t done hours in advance of games. It’s objectively amateurish and embarrassing to have superstars being pulled off the court mid-game because no one can decide if they’ve been cleared before tip-off.

    I don’t disagree.

    My advice, is just understand what we are dealing with in regards to last minute news, players getting pulled/scratched and adjust your play accordingly. Maybe play a little lighter or don’t go super heavy on players knowing anyone can be scratched at any time.

  • IT4MVP

    Breaking news…..Bertans has made a shot holy f*ck

  • Unico10

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    Going to be fun bubbling out the cash line by a couple of points with LBJ finishing with 9 assists and 9 rebounds… lol

  • tmarohl

    At least Russ, Beal, Dame and Kanter put me over the cash line in my main FD lineup.

  • SkateFiend

    Other than quick matches at Yahoo, occasional forum contests and SD contests at Drafters, I only play quarter games for NBA. Believe you me, piling losses start to grate on you, especially since you’re losing so often due to non in game factors.

    NBA DFS has to evolve as a product as the game evolves. Right now in the NBA big men positions are becoming an afterthought. Notice how most of the “safe” and high upside options are all concentrated in the guard positions. I could pay 21 dollars for Terrence Ross at Yahoo and feel relatively confident that he’ll score around 30-35 point. If I paid 21 dollars for Darious Bazely, I just got a box of chocolates. I could pay 31 dollars for Jeremi Grant tomorrow and he could cough up 28 points even without Wright.

    Rebound and shot blocking specialist centers like Drummond are being flushed out of the league, so the center position also becomes a guessing game. You have a handful of elites and everyone below (Ayton, Valanciuanas, the Two Allens, etc) because modern day centers don’t grab 10 rebounds a game and may only play 20 minutes. To be FORCED to construct lineups in a certain way every night is just becoming less fun.

    I don’t know what the exact solution is. Maybe a trio of F/C positions might work out, so you don’t have to break the bank for a SF or go real cheap there so you can spend at other positions. Truth be told, I’d rather not spend 7,200 on someone like Ayton just of fill out a C position, if I didn’t have to.

  • captainwacky

    Somehow profited .3 percent across both sites; what a world!

  • superjon

    Didn’t win anything substantial, but at least I can relish in the fact both of my hot takes were spot on.

  • captainwacky

    @SkateFiend said...

    Other than quick matches at Yahoo, occasional forum contests and SD contests at Drafters, I only play quarter games for NBA. Believe you me, piling losses start to grate on you, especially since you’re losing so often due to non in game factors.

    NBA DFS has to evolve as a product as the game evolves. Right now in the NBA big men positions are becoming an afterthought. Notice how most of the “safe” and high upside options are all concentrated in the guard positions. I could pay 21 dollars for Terrence Ross at Yahoo and feel relatively confident that he’ll score around 30-35 point. If I paid 21 dollars for Darious Bazely, I just got a box of chocolates. I could pay 31 dollars for Jeremi Grant tomorrow and he could cough up 28 points even without Wright.

    Rebound and shot blocking specialist centers like Drummond are being flushed out of the league, so the center position also becomes a guessing game. You have a handful of elites and everyone below (Ayton, Valanciuanas, the Two Allens, etc) because modern day centers don’t grab 10 rebounds a game and may only play 20 minutes. To be FORCED to construct lineups in a certain way every night is just becoming less fun.

    I don’t know what the exact solution is. Maybe a trio of F/C positions might work out, so you don’t have to break the bank for a SF or go real cheap there so you can spend at other positions. Truth be told, I’d rather not spend 7,200 on someone like Ayton just of fill out a C position, if I didn’t have to.

    Alright, I guess I picked tonight to turn into an ultra-combative grinch, but here we go:

    This isn’t a product issue. You’re competing against other people with the same sets of variables as you, and you don’t have to do anything other than outscore them.

    This is a “I’m not comfortable with my strategy in one section” issue; your playing field is level regardless of what the scoring formats are.

  • tmarohl

    @SkateFiend said...

    Other than quick matches at Yahoo, occasional forum contests and SD contests at Drafters, I only play quarter games for NBA. Believe you me, piling losses start to grate on you, especially since you’re losing so often due to non in game factors.

    NBA DFS has to evolve as a product as the game evolves. Right now in the NBA big men positions are becoming an afterthought. Notice how most of the “safe” and high upside options are all concentrated in the guard positions. I could pay 21 dollars for Terrence Ross at Yahoo and feel relatively confident that he’ll score around 30-35 point. If I paid 21 dollars for Darious Bazely, I just got a box of chocolates. I could pay 31 dollars for Jeremi Grant tomorrow and he could cough up 28 points even without Wright.

    Rebound and shot blocking specialist centers like Drummond are being flushed out of the league, so the center position also becomes a guessing game. You have a handful of elites and everyone below (Ayton, Valanciuanas, the Two Allens, etc) because modern day centers don’t grab 10 rebounds a game and may only play 20 minutes. To be FORCED to construct lineups in a certain way every night is just becoming less fun.

    I don’t know what the exact solution is. Maybe a trio of F/C positions might work out, so you don’t have to break the bank for a SF or go real cheap there so you can spend at other positions. Truth be told, I’d rather not spend 7,200 on someone like Ayton just of fill out a C position, if I didn’t have to.

    I disagree. Very few guards and wing players are “guaranteed”. It’s usually the big’s who are more predicatable, because they don’t rely only on scoring to get their stats.
    Granted there is variance, but guys like Giannis, Bam, Embiid, Joker, Sabonis, Randle are the most predictable. You get your swings when some guard or forward shoots the lights out. If I had my way, I would probably want to play 4 point guards and 5 PF/C on any given slate. I hate SF and SG.

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