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  • mtdurham

    Question for the board:

    This is a topic I’ve been researching this week and gotten absolutely nowhere with.

    In the collective Bargaining Agreement it reads that the following is considered “basketball related income” and therefore is used in the salary cap calculation.

    “Proceeds from gambling on NBA games, except from casinos or other gambling businesses owned or operated by a team, a related party or a league-related entity.”

    Now I’ve read the collective Bargaining Agreement backwards and forwards many times over the past 20 years. But For some reason this particular line item never caught my attention the way it did this week.

    Does anyone know if this is New? Was this negotiated in the 2016 agreement?

    “Except for gambling businesses owned or operated by a team”? I’m sorry, I didn’t get that last part. Specifically I’d be interested in knowing a little more about these gambling businesses that are owned and operated by TEAMS, RELATED PARTIES, AND LEAGUE RELATED ENTITIES.

    I know this seems kinda random but a lawyer friend of mine asked me about this and honestly I had no idea what to tell him. Felt like an idiot.

    I think with the way this whole Robert Kraft situation went down this week, we as fans deserve an explanation as to what exactly this entails.

    Once the news hit that he owns illegal sex trafficking organizations I started delving deep into what else he owns. My jaw hit the floor when I found out he owns casinos. Which is explicitly outlawed by the NFL.

    Apparently after the whole Tom Brady ball deflation thing went down he purchased a controlling ownership of gaming establishments to turn a middle finger to Roger Goodell. And then he was able to leverage his partnership with Rupert Murdoch to ensure no news outlets reported any of it.

    This is some serious BS in my opinion and I want to know exactly what that line item in the CBA means.

  • Benf15harp

  • Donnyleonard

    Why does Rotogrinders have Bazemore as a core guy tonight?

  • klemi96

    I have a feeling Gobert and Randle are going to smash tonight.. any thoughts?

  • frugal

    @mtdurham said...

    Question for the board:

    This is a topic I’ve been researching this week and gotten absolutely nowhere with.

    In the collective Bargaining Agreement it reads that the following is considered “basketball related income” and therefore is used in the salary cap calculation.

    “Proceeds from gambling on NBA games, except from casinos or other gambling businesses owned or operated by a team, a related party or a league-related entity.”

    Now I’ve read the collective Bargaining Agreement backwards and forwards many times over the past 20 years. But For some reason this particular line item never caught my attention the way it did this week.

    Does anyone know if this is New? Was this negotiated in the 2016 agreement?

    “Except for gambling businesses owned or operated by a team”? I’m sorry, I didn’t get that last part. Specifically I’d be interested in knowing a little more about these gambling businesses that are owned and operated by TEAMS, RELATED PARTIES, AND LEAGUE RELATED ENTITIES.

    I know this seems kinda random but a lawyer friend of mine asked me about this and honestly I had no idea what to tell him. Felt like an idiot.

    I think with the way this whole Robert Kraft situation went down this week, we as fans deserve an explanation as to what exactly this entails.

    Once the news hit that he owns illegal sex trafficking organizations I started delving deep into what else he owns. My jaw hit the floor when I found out he owns casinos. Which is explicitly outlawed by the NFL.

    Apparently after the whole Tom Brady ball deflation thing went down he purchased a controlling ownership of gaming establishments to turn a middle finger to Roger Goodell. And then he was able to leverage his partnership with Rupert Murdoch to ensure no news outlets reported any of it.

    This is some serious BS in my opinion and I want to know exactly what that line item in the CBA means.

    They are looking forward. Sooner or later the pro sports in America is going to be closer to they way it is in Europe where you can place a bet across the street or often at a booth in the stadium at a match. I can’t imagine them allowing players to bet on games they play in though.

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  • jcotdl

    This gets really interesting if your read the recent article about the Donaghy scandal, which quotes some organization or another that has done studies on sports gambling and found that regardless of precautions taken, the more money that is being wagered correlates directly to the likelihood of corruption i.e. game-fixing etc.

  • mdalb

    @Njsum1 said...

    Haha…that’s why I said 2 or 3 in my initial reply. Like if you were going to play the $3 on DK…which by the way is an excellently structured GPP. You could either spend an extra $6 and make 3 to hit all those combos. Or make 3 for $1. Generally what will happen, is that they’ll either all cash or none of them will. Sometimes, if you’re core players were borderline, 1 or 2 lineups will cash and the other 1 or 2 won’t.

    Yet if your core is strong, the last 2 you were decidng between will determine how deep of a cash you get. And the difference can be significant, which is why I just make the extra lineup or 2.

    Thank you. I usually play the $4. Went with the $7 tonight instead of the $3 as the entry was less than normal for the higher payout. I kind of have to make a 3rd now, haha.

  • Wynter12

    Thoughts on this guy?

  • frugal

    @jcotdl said...

    This gets really interesting if your read the recent article about the Donaghy scandal, which quotes some organization or another that has done studies on sports gambling and found that regardless of precautions taken, the more money that is being wagered correlates directly to the likelihood of corruption i.e. game-fixing etc.

    That article was absolutely fascinating if you get a chance to read it. My understanding, is the NBA now uses AI to monitor betting lines looking for anomalies like that.

  • Pandamonious

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    @Wynter12 said...

    Thoughts on this guy?

    What I wrote earlier, but I’m off my rocker and assuming most of my takes today are nowhere near where anyone else is other than some obvious stuff so take it for what it’s worth..

    Kelly Oubre (SG/SF) 5,900: I do wish he was a little cheaper. It’s really easy to look at his price and not see the upside. Oubre is exactly the type of player who can excel against the Bucks. I’m set in my mind that if this game stays competitive tonight it’ll will be because of this guy. So much so that any exposure i do get to ABC I will have Oubre with him. I’m calling it, 25 points 10 boards 3 assists and 2 blocks and 3 steals. Add it up!

  • jcotdl

    @frugal said...

    That article was absolutely fascinating if you get a chance to read it. My understanding, is the NBA now uses AI to monitor betting lines looking for anomalies like that.

    Totally agree- I love that David Stern was pissed the FBI uncovered it before his security team. But the idea that (possibly) hundreds of millions of dollars were made, you know some NBA types will be tempted to do some insider trading type stuff in the future as stakes get even higher…

  • deepfat

    @mbunner23 said...

    I’m just giving you a hard time. It’s all good brotha

    Oh I know. Such is life for a weather guy. Now if I could only predict DeRozan correctly for once.

  • captainwacky

    @deepfat said...

    Oh I know. Such is life for a weather guy. Now if I could only predict DeRozan correctly for once.

    Even 50 percent would be nice there.

  • keephustlincuz

    @Pandamonious said...

    Kelly Oubre (SG/SF) 5,900

    It’s hard to play him on FD at 7700. Winslow is 6500 and Barnes is 5700.

  • bods72

    • 610

      RG Overall Ranking

    Utility left McGee or Brunson?

  • Benf15harp

    @frugal said...

    That article was absolutely fascinating if you get a chance to read it. My understanding, is the NBA now uses AI to monitor betting lines looking for anomalies like that.

    Doesn’t seem like he would be too interested in that job LOL

  • Pandamonious

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    @keephustlincuz said...

    It’s hard to play him on FD at 7700. Winslow is 6500 and Barnes is 5700.

    I legit think he can get 40-50 tonight, especially with the 3 points for blocks and steals there, but year that’s pricey.

  • deepfat

    @captainwacky said...

    Even 50 percent would be nice there.

    I know that’s a cliché around here but I quite literally NEVER get DeRozan right. Him and Booker.

  • Pandamonious

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    @bods72 said...

    Utility left McGee or Brunson?

    I’d lean McGee IF you think he can get minutes to match up with Zubac.

  • bods72

    • 610

      RG Overall Ranking

    Thanks man, that was where I was leaning. Appreciate the reply.

  • keephustlincuz

    @Pandamonious said...

    I legit think he can get 40-50 tonight, especially with the 3 points for blocks and steals there, but year that’s pricey.

    Wow. You think it’s stays close for 3 quarters?

  • emnj69

    Ayton is going to smash tonight 50+ coming book it problem is can you play him over len on fd ? NOPE

  • Pandamonious

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    @keephustlincuz said...

    Wow. You think it’s stays close for 3 quarters?

    I think he gets 30 minutes no matter what.

  • Pandamonious

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    @emnj69 said...

    Ayton is going to smash tonight 50+ coming book it problem is can you play him over len on fd ? NOPE

    Why do people think C’s will smash against Milwaukee, ever?

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