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  • Cityworkout

    There is no real edge anymore in cash games. You don’t know much more than any other good player. It is sad to see this happen but the rake is too high for anybody besides the elite players to be profitable.

    For anyone who thought it was feasible to win consistently long term, no it is not for almost every player.

  • ldmariodl28

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    Sadly I agree.

  • FantasyTime69

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE DREAM IS GONE!

  • rainbowtroutman

    Agree—I only play on Aces and they list the winning percentage of every player. Rarely do I see a player
    with a winning percentage of over 50%. There are some recongnizable players over there,including some from RG,
    and not to many are over 50%

  • FantasyTime69

    So what should we be playing?

  • MrFantasy

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    Agree—I only play on Aces and they list the winning percentage of every player. Rarely do I see a player
    with a winning percentage of over 50%. There are some recongnizable players over there,including some from RG,
    and not to many are over 50%

    Lies. Everyone is a winner and nobody loses. It certainly sounds that way at least here on the forums.

    I’ve spent over $100k in rake alone in cash games in 2015 before I finally decided they aren’t worth my time or effort. I don’t play nearly the amount of volume that I used to but when I played full time I was only profiting 1.1% in all H2H, 50/50s and double up games. I would review my lineups and other top players lineups on a nightly basis after games finished to see what other thought’s and data I could gather and constantly try to improve. Cash games are dead. If you want to grind out next to nothing in profit then go ahead. As far as making real money and not just pennies everyday you’re going to need to fire a bare minimum of $5k a day in play in cash games. Either that or you’re an elite top 10 in the industry crusher and only the biggest idiots will take your H2H action.

  • rainbowtroutman

    @FantasyTime69 said...

    So what should we be playing?

    IMO sports betting.I can’t wait until the states legalize it.

  • Cityworkout

    @MrFantasy said...

    Lies. Everyone is a winner and nobody loses. It certainly sounds that way at least here on the forums.

    I’ve spent over $100k in rake alone in cash games in 2015 before I finally decided they aren’t worth my time or effort. I don’t play nearly the amount of volume that I used to but when I played full time I was only profiting 1.1% in all H2H, 50/50s and double up games. I would review my lineups and other top players lineups on a nightly basis after games finished to see what other thought’s and data I could gather and constantly try to improve. Cash games are dead. If you want to grind out next to nothing in profit then go ahead. As far as making real money and not just pennies everyday you’re going to need to fire a bare minimum of $5k a day in play in cash games. Either that or you’re an elite top 10 in the industry crusher and only the biggest idiots will take your H2H action.

    Yes. You have to play so much daily just to get anywhere even if you do have a positive ROI. It is sad to see how cash games used to be thought of as a skill where a strong DFS player would stand to be profitable. There are just too many hands and the info is too available and predictable. Add in the rake, chalk and daily variance and you have a desert.

    There are many ways to make money that are easier.

  • billholler

    I love playing the small slate GPPs in NBA and NFL. Have usually been able to hedge my bets by playing cash games. Mentioned it a month ago that I had 6 cash lineups one night and had the same LU as my opponent in 3 of the 6. The other 3 had either a 1 or 2 player variance. So my cash record for that night ended up at 2-1-3 and lost money because the 1 loss was my highest priced entry. That was the last time I played cash games in NBA.

  • MrFantasy

    The rake is the biggest problem. 13-15% in majority of contests is absurd. They need to follow the rake model in poker. 5% cash games and 10% in GPP’s(Tournaments). Those are the sweet spots for both professionals and recreational players.

  • noddy

    Someone please come on here and tell us that they are still profitable in cash games so there is hope.

    On another subject: How the hell are you supposed to win a big GPP or come top 10? I can’t even come close to top 10% and I play about 3-5 lineups every night. I see players in winning lineups that i never even thought about rostering. I need to change how I pick my players for sure, but not sure how to do that as I usually feel really good about my lineups at lock. Can anyone here give some advice?

  • bhdevault

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    I have done very well this year in MLB and NFL cash games. NBA I just cannot beat, however. I just recently gave up after getting crushed so far this season. It’s just not a sport I can do as well at as I always seem to get that ‘one’ guy who destroys my lineup in NBA. It was the same last season for me.

    A buddy I chat with often has been killing it in cash games though, he even shows me his lineup most nights before lock and I’ll be honest, I’m not always a fan, yet he continues to crush it. Another reason why I am understanding I just cannot beat NBA.

  • rainbowtroutman

    I have been playing small time cash games since 2010 back in the draftstreet days. Which,by the way,was the last decent site. I quit Fanduel 3 weeks ago and quit DK after they never made a public explanation of the Papagates/Chipolte incident. After my balance runs out on Aces, I will retire from this,as the enjoyment is no longer there. I am tired of reading these forums and seeing the next controversy and dealing with the corruption of the players and the greed of the sites.

  • awesemo

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    It really depends on who is in the games you are playing. There have to be enough people losing for you to win in excess of the rake. Like they say in Rounders, if you look around and don’t see the sucker then you are the sucker.

  • billholler

    @awesemo said...

    Like they say in Rounders, if you look around and don’t see the sucker then you are the sucker.

    Says the guy with the 6 figure bankroll

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    @billholler said...

    Says the guy with the 6 figure bankroll

    It doesn’t matter how much money is in your account, you can still be a fish. If you enter a contest where every other player is competent, then every single person in it is a fish in that particular tournament.

  • bhdevault

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    Mod Note

    This thread is about cash games, let’s keep it on topic please.

  • DomTwan

    There is a TON of more DEAD money in small stakes large field GPP.

    I would rather fire in those, than play in the double ups and 50/50s with shark infested 150 same lineup portfolios

  • DomTwan

    @noddy said...

    I can’t even come close to top 10% and I play about 3-5 lineups every night.

    Sample size too small.

    People are entering 150 lineups a night. If optimal, those lineups have a way higher chance of coming in the top 10% each night.

    Stick with it, and keep firing optimal lineups out there.

  • billholler

    @awesemo said...

    It doesn’t matter how much money is in your account, you can still be a fish. If you enter a contest where every other player is competent, then every single person in it is a fish in that particular tournament.

    My comment was intended for humor.

    The amount of money in your account absolutely affects your decision making which can turn you from a fish to the shark. My only “big” GPP hit I left a significant portion of the winnings in my account for NFL bankroll last year. I can assure you it’s much easier making a profit when you aren’t worried about risking funds on a backup RB even though you know he is the best value play. With a smaller bankroll you are looking for the lowest risk player that fits in the budget while not rostering that backup RB because you just can’t afford to risk it.

    As for big bankrolls in regards to low priced GPPs, I always refer back to the Curry/Livingston game last season. Curry dressed but wasn’t expected to play more than 15 minutes if he played at all. Then Livingston gets ejected. Curry sinks about a hundred 3 pointers and sends it to OT where he dominated. Saahil had maxed out (I believe it was still 300 entries at the time) the $4 tourney and was 100% on Curry. If Livingston doesn’t get ejected, Saahil loses $1200. Instead, he dominates a low entry fee GPP. I suspect that only the top 1% can afford to take that risk.

  • billholler

    @bhdevault said...

    Mod Note

    This thread is about cash games, let’s keep it on topic please.

    I was typing my last comment as you posted that. It’s still at least half about cash games.

  • btwice80

    @Sports312 said...

    the rake is too high for anybody besides the elite players to be profitable

    The rake is the same it’s always been for the large majority of cash games. You can play a ton of action without touching double ups.

  • pbarrese13

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    @DomTwan said...

    There is a TON of more DEAD money in small stakes large field GPP.

    I would rather fire in those, than play in the double ups and 50/50s with shark infested 150 same lineup portfolios

    I think this is a great point that is lost on many trying to grind out cash games. GPPs have a similar cashline with the upside that is non existent in cash games. RG has a free lineup optimzer. Practice using it to max out the .25 Quater arcade for less than $40 a day.
    If anyone thinks lack of bankroll is the only think holding them back, they are most likely not being honest with themselves. Everyone wants to complain about how its not fair but no one wants to do the work. Yes having money helps in all areas of life. Duh. But having a huge bankroll is not going to magically turn a losing player into a winning one.

  • DomTwan

    @pbarrese13 said...

    Everyone wants to complain about how its not fair but no one wants to do the work. Yes having money helps in all areas of life. Duh. But having a huge bankroll is not going to magically turn a losing player into a winning one.

    This this this

  • jimfred82

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    I noticed the cash game line and min-tourney line beginning to blur early last season NBA, and it’s even worse now (or so I hear). On many nights, though, as DomTwan said, there are a ton of goofy lineups in GPP’s, especially nights where there are a lot of Q or GTD guys. I have no numbers of percentages since I really only look on nights where I want to feel better about a crappy lineup of mine but there are always a significant number of goose eggs or dummy lineups. Now, nobody is ever going to cash in 65% of their GPP lineups, obviously, and the minimum cashes are stupid low now… but the fact that 25% of the field gets paid out now almost makes them cash-game like anyway, but with the opportunity to make more.

  • Cityworkout

    I agree that GPP is probably the way to go though it will probably be a long process unless you can hit a GPP early on. Though getting all the slots to line up is pretty hard.

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