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  • Meyers1032

    In years past I used to play just a few gpps and play mostly cash. I was very successful in cash and usually hit green in my cash games about 5-6 days out of the week. This year it seems easier to cash in gpps than in cash games due to the pay line being higher in cash. What is everyone’s opinion on this? Is anyone experiencing this and switching to tournaments only?

  • Jvanspro

    I’ve moved all my cash ply to SE Gpp. The grind in cash has gotten incredibly stupid the past couple years.

  • Smallchimp

    Definitely feels like cash is steeper than expected. I’m considering trying more GPPs, but I’d way rather try to sweep cash if I can.

  • Smallchimp

    @Jvanspro said...

    I’ve moved all my cash ply to SE Gpp. The grind in cash has gotten incredibly stupid the past couple years.

    It just seems like there’s so much actually solid information that gets disseminated from x, y, and z sources that the “information barrier” is extremely low and the edge is in the most mathematical side of it that doesn’t get as much airtime in podcasts, streams, or other online content.

  • Jvanspro

    @jriesel315 said...

    It just seems like there’s so much actually solid information that gets disseminated from x, y, and z sources that the “information barrier” is extremely low and the edge is in the most mathematical side of it that doesn’t get as much airtime in podcasts, streams, or other online content.

    I should clarify though. I’ve moved it to higher dollar 25+ with a lower amount of entries. Mostly under 200 but no more then 3k. I’ve found a great ROI in that space.

  • danehalleen

    @Jvanspro said...

    I should clarify though. I’ve moved it to higher dollar 25+ with a lower amount of entries. Mostly under 200 but no more then 3k. I’ve found a great ROI in that space.

    This has been my most successful spot as well, I like the $50 SE on FD, usually has 200-300 total entries.

  • Morley

    @Meyers1032 said...

    I was very successful in cash and usually hit green in my cash games about 5-6 days out of the week

    You aren’t being honest with yourself. Not even the best in the world even come close to this kind of win rate.

    I’d say you need to take an honest appraisal and not the mental approximation you tell yourself before you have any shot at figuring out where you really stand and what leaks to plug.

  • nordik

    Over a long enough sample size and considering taxes/rake, the profit margins in cash are getting thinner every day

  • mtdurham

    The problem with cash in NBA is that just about every night 3-4 plays are completely obvious because of whoever is out that night due to injury/suspension/personal reasons… that leaves everyone with approximately the same amount of salary remaining for 4 players… there’s usually an obvious 1-2 guys due to matchup/price… which leaves you basically in a 2 vs 2 players… and you need to win almost 60% of the time to break even…. and you’re usually playing against the best players in the world because they mass enter….

    thats a razor thin edge for the best players in the world…. thats why they have to mass enter… they need a lot of $ in play to make their expected value materialize into anything worthwhile…

  • Kmasonbx

    In general I just think people have awful game selection in cash. Everyone plays the guaranteed prize pool cash games that have higher rake and a tougher player pool. Play the small field, lower rake, low buyin, non guaranteed cash games where everything is single entry and you avoid the sharks because they aren’t allowed to play the low buyins because they’ve made too much money.

  • Trappist1

    @Kmasonbx said...

    In general I just think people have awful game selection in cash. Everyone plays the guaranteed prize pool cash games that have higher rake and a tougher player pool. Play the small field, lower rake, low buyin, non guaranteed cash games where everything is single entry and you avoid the sharks because they aren’t allowed to play the low buyins because they’ve made too much money.

    Contest selection is such an underrated skill and it should be the first thing people should master.

  • Kmasonbx

    @Trappist1 said...

    Contest selection is such an underrated skill and it should be the first thing people should master.

    It’s something that baffles me. But maybe as a former professional poker player game selection is always on my mind whereas the average person just thinks all the games have the same difficulty level. I’ve won 10 player winner take alls with a score that wasn’t even high enough to hit the payline in GPPs. I have never once played those large cash games, single entry or other wise. Give me the soft contests so even when I have an off night it may not be a disaster.

  • bigez952

    @mtdurham said...

    The problem with cash in NBA is that just about every night 3-4 plays are completely obvious because of whoever is out that night due to injury/suspension/personal reasons… that leaves everyone with approximately the same amount of salary remaining for 4 players… there’s usually an obvious 1-2 guys due to matchup/price… which leaves you basically in a 2 vs 2 players… and you need to win almost 60% of the time to break even…. and you’re usually playing against the best players in the world because they mass enter….

    thats a razor thin edge for the best players in the world…. thats why they have to mass enter… they need a lot of $ in play to make their expected value materialize into anything worthwhile…

    This is an accurate description of how cash games work in almost every sport. With all of the projection systems and optimizers out there everyone can identify the “optimal” core in seconds. So in cash those guys are going to be massively owned but they are usually great plays so hard to fade every slate and be profitable doing so.

    So the end of the day is usually if you win or lose for that slate is going to come down to a 2 vs. 2 on your lineup vs. the handful of massive lineup trains of users just pushing optimize and playing whatever lineup gets spit out. I played 180+ days of MLB cash games this past season and it was crazy how often having a good or poor night came down to just 1 or 2 plays.

    I think I am done with MLB cash games as it has turned into a beat the trains to win which is fine when the trains suck but a lot of these projection models like the BAT which is offered on RG are really good so beating that optimal lineup 60% of the time is not an easy task. I don’t think trains are as much of an issues with lineup selling as it is with the fact that so many people subscribe to a projection model and just playing the optimal lineup in cash every night. I subscribed to the BAT last year and can confirm that just playing the optimal lineup is a bad play since you will always be in a 30-75 person train so your at a huge risk of winning but not getting the full double up which is bad long term. So what I would do is try and outsmart the BAT and make a 2 vs. 2 swap on some of the questionable plays. I did well to break even over 180 days but spending hundreds of hours and 6 months just to break even isn’t as much fun as it was 3 years ago.

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