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  • juicetea22

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    This is becoming an issue across the board! The NBA who takes money from dfs companies as sponsors needs to work with dfs as a business negotiation in regards to injury/rest/sickness time deadlines! Much like the NFL does an hour and a half before kickoff! The NBAshould have a half hour drop dead deadline to report in or out! Last night is a prime example of this! Embiid/Drummond news 5 min before lock shifted all the slates in a dramatic way! Roster builds were basically deemed worthless for those who spent hours putting this slate together.
    The other solution is opening late swaps for only those players effected? Taking zeros is hurting the industry! It just seems the current NBA injury reports are unorganized inconsistent and unreliable! Let’s stop ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room! If the NBA thinks that the higher percentage of people who watch or attend NBA games is just for entertainment purposes only are just kidding themselves! Many have skin in the game and would hope this program is fixed! The current reporting system is a Neanderthal approach and people are sick of it!

  • Mikeyytee0115

    I 100% agree with you man and I understand where you’re coming from, but the issue about injury reports won’t be fixed. I agree FD and DK should allow every slate be late swap

  • madmanjayWV

    @juicetea22 said...

    This is becoming an issue across the board! The NBA who takes money from dfs companies as sponsors needs to work with dfs as a business negotiation in regards to injury/rest/sickness time deadlines! Much like the NFL does an hour and a half before kickoff! The NBAshould have a half hour drop dead deadline to report in or out! Last night is a prime example of this! Embiid/Drummond news 5 min before lock shifted all the slates in a dramatic way! Roster builds were basically deemed worthless for those who spent hours putting this slate together.
    The other solution is opening late swaps for only those players effected? Taking zeros is hurting the industry! It just seems the current NBA injury reports are unorganized inconsistent and unreliable! Let’s stop ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room! If the NBA thinks that the higher percentage of people who watch or attend NBA games is just for entertainment purposes only are just kidding themselves! Many have skin in the game and would hope this program is fixed! The current reporting system is a Neanderthal approach and people are sick of it!

    I’ve cashed in more than one NBA GPP with a 0 — #BUILDBETTERLINEUPS

    Seriously, great idea — ain’t gonna happen….

  • jokerswild22

    You’re asking people to make health decisions so we can gamble on them. What’s the real problem here?

    Game Time Decision seems like a pretty straight forward designation.

    Demands like this and stupid rage tweets are why the common athlete looks at fantasy sports with a black eye.

    “I know you have a 30 million dollar contract and a family to think when making a decision today but we fantasy players who wager $20 for money you don’t get a part of demand…..”

    I guarantee you if players played sick/injured because of some miracle reporting system and guys like you rostered them only for them to underperform you’d be back with a “Players shouldn’t play if they’re not 100% thread, 10 fantasy points from players is killing the industry. We have real money on them.”

  • joshshafe

    The use of exclamation points really help to drive home your point, thanks.

    Seriously though, taking a 0 is not hurting the industry. DK’s contests are filling up well before lock, so I don’t see them every feeling like they need to change. I do believe that if they were to introduce the ability to just swap out the player who was affected, and not allow the entire lineup to be changed (just that one spot for a player who hasn’t played yet), that it would be a welcome addition by everyone.

    This has been brought up many times before, but how many times have you been helped by a late scratch on someone who was high owned? I know that I’ve been on the good side of that and the bad. I don’t throw my hands up in the air when it happens and scream that NBA needs to change. I enjoy building lineups, I enjoy researching the slate, and if something goes terribly wrong (late scratch or just an awful start to the slate), then I just move on to the next.

  • superjon

    @jokerswild22 said...

    You’re asking people to make health decisions so we can gamble on them. What’s the real problem here?

    Game Time Decision seems like a pretty straight forward designation.

    Demands like this and stupid rage tweets are why the common athlete looks at fantasy sports with a black eye.

    “I know you have a 30 million dollar contract and a family to think when making a decision today but we fantasy players who wager $20 for money you don’t get a part of demand…..”

    I guarantee you if players played sick/injured because of some miracle reporting system and guys like you rostered them only for them to underperform you’d be back with a “Players shouldn’t play if they’re not 100% thread, 10 fantasy points from players is killing the industry. We have real money on them.”

    Players designated as GTD are one thing. You are taking a risk by playing those guys. The real issue are the players that weren’t even near the injury report and then get scratched after lock. I don’t believe for a second that those coaches didn’t already know hours before lock that they were going to sit that particular player.

    Late Swap is a terrible idea as the vast majority of DFS players are regular folk that want to set their line ups and be done. They don’t want to sit by their computer or phone making all kinds of changes as news comes in right before lock.

  • celtics2448

    @jokerswild22 said...

    You’re asking people to make health decisions so we can gamble on them. What’s the real problem here?

    This pretty much sums it up right here. They’re human beings, not horses who are born to be wagered on although that’s another conversation to be had. It’s certainly frustrating, but it’s just part of the game and you can either quit or deal with it, you can’t expect the NBA to police this on our behalf so we can make/lose money off of injured men.

  • rannas23

    Really what DK and FD should do is just allow late swap across the board for only the sport of NBA for just players that are classified as Out. I see Q, and O symbols when they are designated to the player when selecting them, so I know they could program it for an Out symbol. The NBA is just so much worse than the other sports when it comes to late scratches. I think a lot of people have slowed their playing on the NBA sport just because of it and if it was fixed you would see more players uping their entries…well maybe.

  • billholler

    @jokerswild22 said...

    You’re asking people to make health decisions so we can gamble on them. What’s the real problem here?

    Game Time Decision seems like a pretty straight forward designation.

    Demands like this and stupid rage tweets are why the common athlete looks at fantasy sports with a black eye.

    “I know you have a 30 million dollar contract and a family to think when making a decision today but we fantasy players who wager $20 for money you don’t get a part of demand…..”

    I guarantee you if players played sick/injured because of some miracle reporting system and guys like you rostered them only for them to underperform you’d be back with a “Players shouldn’t play if they’re not 100% thread, 10 fantasy points from players is killing the industry. We have real money on them.”

    Most of this comment is absurd. For the most part, players know after morning shoot around if a guy is going to play or not. Not telling anyone until a few minutes before game time is just childish coaching bullshit. The most recent serious issue that I remember was Gallinari and Draymond Green both being listed as probable in late start games. They were both ruled out well after main slate lock. Gallinari had a torn ass muscle and still hasn’t played. Green was out for that game plus a few more. The teams knew damn good and well that neither of those guys were playing that night. Yet they waited until right before game time.

    That doesn’t even take into consideration all the times in the last 2 seasons where players weren’t even in the same damn state as their team and not a single person from the team or a beat writer ever mentioned it.

    As for DFSers whining about players underperforming, unless you are a complete idiot you aren’t going to whine about a player having a bad night if you knew ahead of time that playing him was a risk due to illness or injury.

  • billholler

    @joshshafe said...

    This has been brought up many times before, but how many times have you been helped by a late scratch on someone who was high owned?

    Never and I have played NBA almost every night for 3 seasons.

  • KindGuy

    @billholler said...

    Most of this comment is absurd. For the most part, players know after morning shoot around if a guy is going to play or not. Not telling anyone until a few minutes before game time is just childish coaching bullshit. The most recent serious issue that I remember was Gallinari and Draymond Green both being listed as probable in late start games. They were both ruled out well after main slate lock. Gallinari had a torn ass muscle and still hasn’t played. Green was out for that game plus a few more. The teams knew damn good and well that neither of those guys were playing that night. Yet they waited until right before game time.

    Or two nights ago when Austin Rivers was questionable and then ruled out for two weeks. LOL. Doc Rivers man…….

  • billholler

    @elementasrat said...

    Or two nights ago when Austin Rivers was questionable and then ruled out for two weeks. LOL. Doc Rivers man…….

    That’s more what I was referring to in the 3rd paragraph. Rivers has been a terrible play for a while but if you played him when he was questionable, well that was just foolish. The Gallinari example on the other hand, I forgot the ownership percentages that night but he was highly owned on the main slate. Believe that was 3 weeks ago and he won’t be back for a few more weeks.

  • yisman

    @billholler said...

    Most of this comment is absurd. For the most part, players know after morning shoot around if a guy is going to play or not. Not telling anyone until a few minutes before game time is just childish coaching bullshit. The most recent serious issue that I remember was Gallinari and Draymond Green both being listed as probable in late start games. They were both ruled out well after main slate lock. Gallinari had a torn ass muscle and still hasn’t played. Green was out for that game plus a few more. The teams knew damn good and well that neither of those guys were playing that night. Yet they waited until right before game time.

    That doesn’t even take into consideration all the times in the last 2 seasons where players weren’t even in the same damn state as their team and not a single person from the team or a beat writer ever mentioned it.

    As for DFSers whining about players underperforming, unless you are a complete idiot you aren’t going to whine about a player having a bad night if you knew ahead of time that playing him was a risk due to illness or injury.

    exactly

  • yisman

    @billholler said...

    That’s more what I was referring to in the 3rd paragraph. Rivers has been a terrible play for a while but if you played him when he was questionable, well that was just foolish. The Gallinari example on the other hand, I forgot the ownership percentages that night but he was highly owned on the main slate. Believe that was 3 weeks ago and he won’t be back for a few more weeks.

    so many people got burned that night. Gallinari and Green were both popular picks. Cash lines were absurdly low.

    I think Eric Crain went on an epic rant after that one.

    The two guys getting scratched after lock and the Gallinari one especially egregious.

    They claimed he had sustained the injury in the previous game, yet no mention of it before lock. Then the late scratch and he’s out for like two months.

  • TeamTwerk

    I would love to see starting lineups released in some sort of official way several hours before game time as is the case for baseball. This would only be the intended starting lineup. If a player gets injured or his condition worsens of course he could still be scratched. This wouldn’t completely solve the problem but it would be better than nothing.

  • jokerswild22

    @billholler said...

    As for DFSers whining about players underperforming, unless you are a complete idiot you aren’t going to whine about a player having a bad night if you knew ahead of time that playing him was a risk due to illness or injury.

    LOL someone must not have twitter

  • jokerswild22

    @billholler said...

    The most recent serious issue that I remember was Gallinari and Draymond Green both being listed as probable in late start games. They were both ruled out well after main slate lock. Gallinari had a torn ass muscle and still hasn’t played. Green was out for that game plus a few more. The teams knew damn good and well that neither of those guys were playing that night. Yet they waited until right before game time.

    Both of those guys were ruled out HOURS in advance of their game. It just happened to be after DFS main slate lock.

    But, again, you are one of the degenerates that wants teams to make quicker health decisions so we can gamble on them. But hours before their game is not enough time. LOL

  • billholler

    @jokerswild22 said...

    Both of those guys were ruled out HOURS in advance of their game. It just happened to be after DFS main slate lock.

    But, again, you are one of the degenerates that wants teams to make quicker health decisions so we can gamble on them. But hours before their game is not enough time. LOL

    Gallinari was ruled out an hour before his game which I believe was a 9:30 CST start and a few hours after main slate lock. He had a TORN muscle. Yes I capitalized TORN for emphasis. The team knew well in advance that he wasn’t going to play but didn’t say a word until an hour before game time. Your comment about teams making quicker decisions make you sound like you just started watching sports. A player gets injured during a game, they have X-rays and an MRI if necessary within hours of the injury. They know immediately if something is torn or broke.

  • billholler

    @jokerswild22 said...

    LOL someone must not have twitter

    Yes I do but once again if you play a guy that you know is either ill or injured and then bitch about him having a bad game, you are just an idiot. Lot’s of idiots have Twitter. IQ tests are not required to open a Twitter account (see Donald Trump for reference).

  • jokerswild22

    @billholler said...

    Yes I do but once again if you play a guy that you know is either ill or injured and then bitch about him having a bad game, you are just an idiot. Lot’s of idiots have Twitter. IQ tests are not required to open a Twitter account (see Donald Trump for reference).

    yes.. I agree.. idiots have twitter.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Why would someone actively argue against the NBA having a set injury designation time?
    I mean it’s there right not to, and I’m not going to scream that they don’t, but still why would you be against it?

    I don’t even understand withholding news as some sort of “gamesmanship” by the coaches…everything the teams/league have made it clear that the regular season doesn’t matter.
    I dunno. Maybe the difference is the games don’t matter. In the NFL you have one game a week and I’d a player is able to stand and move they are going to be expected to play, it’s the culture, so maybe it becomes easier to says guys playing earlier.
    As others have mentioned the absolute worse are the ones that come out of nowhere. Like someone not even with the team and no one making it known. I can stay away from questionable guys, but those situations are beyond b.s.

  • jmo26

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    Why would someone actively argue against the NBA having a set injury designation time?
    I mean it’s there right not to, and I’m not going to scream that they don’t, but still why would you be against it?

    Exactly this — there really is no reasonable argument against it. If the given player’s a legitimate gametime decision (e.g., illness), of course that’s understandable, but if someone’s got a muscle tear and is expected to be out for weeks, there’s no reason why this can’t be announced a little bit sooner (and they sure as shit should’ve been given the questionable/doubtful tag well in advance).

  • dtrain187

    How about the BS where a player gets announce out after lock…and it turns out he didn’t even travel with the team! That’s some bush-league crap right there. I know comparing to NFL isn’t fair since they only play once a week and have lots of updates throughout the week on who’s probable or a game-time decision. But how come MLB gets this right and the NBA can’t?

  • jokerswild22

    I’m not arguing against it. I just think it’s hilarious that you guys are wanting teams to make health decisions for a made up deadline (lock) so you can gamble on DraftKings.

    That’s just immoral.

    Late scratches can suck but most of the scratches being named in this thread are guys who are decided upon before their game but after lock, your beef should be with the sites.

    “Game Time Decision” but let’s have that information 5 hours in advance so we can gamble.

  • depalma13

    I would just like Draftkings to move lock to 7:15.

  • Petergunz82

    @jokerswild22 said...

    I’m not arguing against it. I just think it’s hilarious that you guys are wanting teams to make health decisions for a made up deadline (lock) so you can gamble on DraftKings.

    That’s just immoral.

    Late scratches can suck but most of the scratches being named in this thread are guys who are decided upon before their game but after lock, your beef should be with the sites.

    “Game Time Decision” but let’s have that information 5 hours in advance so we can gamble.

    Immoral lol, I buy none of your “They don’t nor should they care about us daily players as a whole” argument.

    It’s the Commissioner’s job to grow the interest of the game. DFS grows the interest/fan base of the sport. Alienating our group with misinformation regarding player injuries/lineups does not help the popularity of the game imo

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