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  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    I’m calling on the RG community to stand up to FD and demand that we have late swap on the main slates for the NBA season. I have spent the past few moments detailing to the live chat representative how it’s extremely unfair to adapt changes to MLB and NFL for the current/ending seasons and blatantly ignore the sport that is impacted the most by not having late swap. Already for opening night were forced to make decisions with multiple players set as a GTD in the late game and with all of the late lineup changes and last second decisions on players last year there’s no reason to have not made these changes in the NBA format. They stated there “Looking into it in the future.” and “Many customers have requested it.” This should have been a decision that was made at the end of the the playoffs last year. For them to think making those changes to other sports and completely disregarding NBA is truly a slap in the face to us DFS players. I understand that not everyone cares about about this issue but from an antitrust point of view or consumer protection in general this change needs to happen. Anyone not max entering lineups is harmed from non swap format being applied to the main slates. Obviously there are other DFS sites that offer the product that appeals to myself and other DFSers however that does not fix the negligence currently taking place at FD pertaining to this issue. With RG being a frequent sponsor of events I feel this is the appropriate platform to speak on this issue and show the management at fanduel that we will not tolerate different sports being formatted at there sole discretion at the expense of the consumer. I far to often donated to the cause last year whether it was game postponements or surprise scratches. This could become a regulatory issue in the future as well. If DFS sites don’t offer some sort of protection to its consumers DFS will not last. Not to mention the relationship between DFS players and TV viewings, if i’m unable to play due to the extreme risk involved without late swap I wont be purchasing league pass, I wont be viewing any teams other than my Minnesota Timberwolves, I wont be scouring #ESPN gamecast while i’m away from home and ultimately the NBA will suffer at a time when they could capture the crown as Americas favorite sport with the decline in the NFL. So either the NBA needs to adapt their approach and offer lineup news earlier which is highly unrealistic or FD needs to adopt a policy to better protect us from these situations. I’ll take the ladder.

    Obviously there will be several different opinions or views to this topic. But as a daily player of all sports MLB, NFL and NBA (some occasional NHL, PGA) this seems like a fair request and those who feel the same should speak up and contact FD about this. Any support from the RG administrators or management as a lead on this issue would be appreciated as you often sponsor FD events. If we join together as a community we can correct this issue. Thanks for taking the time to read through.

  • damionismyname

    @jjwd said...

    Straw man argument. Especially in NBA, it’s not uncommon to have 70% or more exposure to a single guy. For the one millionth time… 150 entries is not a silver bullet. No late swap caters to casual players.

    nobody thinks it covers all of the possibilities but when someone is questionable you can afford to throw that questionable player in there more than not just in case. most people who are playing a handful of entries won’t take the risk but if there is late swap they can still make the change.

  • bigez952

    @AxeGrinder said...

    I am trying to be hopeful that DK will rectify the prizepools during the year and allow late swap to have big prize pools again if the masses choose it, rather than have DK choose what the masses have to play.

    If all of these contests fill hours in advance they will make them larger so if everyone truly wants late swap there should be no reason all the contests are not filled up by 2pm everyday so DK has a reason to slowly grow them. They are not going to just throw out two massive tournaments and risk overlay so the only want to get them to grow is to enter them early and continually fill them up hours before lock.

    Sure the prize pools may suck for a few weeks but that is the only way I see Draftkings getting to massive late swap tournaments.

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    To be fair. I up until recently use to manage a local bank here in Minnesota. I also have three children and i’m 29 years old. Now i’m making a living self employed trading securities. I understand the wife/girlfriend/family narrative that a lot of you are mentioning however from a consumer protection standpoint it’s absurd to offer late swap on the other sports and the more traditionally volatile sport (NBA) doesn’t offer it. Now i’m not a pro, i’m not max entering lineups. But theres days where I do throw 100-500 in. I definitely do not sit and monitor news day in and day out. I’ll check basketball monster 15 minutes before lock and cross reference it with rotowire. I’m talking about the fan experience here. Yes late scratches have helped but far more often they have hurt. Game postponements have hurt (unlucky twice last year) I understand its part of the risk of playing DFS but for them to blatantly keep the late swap on the smaller prize pools really makes the ‘risk’ not worth it on the main slate. I’m happy to see others point of views on this subject I wasn’t sure what type of responses would come of it so it’s very much appreciated. I’m looking at it through the lens of as some stated the PROS can afford to enter the questionable’s into a couple lineups as a flyer and that is an edge further gearing FD towards accommodating the pros. I have played fantasy sports since the 6th grade on espn (obviously used different birthday lol) That’s 18 years. The standard for online fantasy sports was always player lock at start of there individual contest. Lineup locks are new to fantasy sports as far as i’m concerned and I feel if enough individuals begin to be upset because 10 minutes after lineup lock 2 hours and 20 minutes before the HOU/GS game Draymon Green is announced in and he’s a player you love because the blocks and steals change you chances go from .0001 to take a tourney to 0. The pros, or wealthy individuals automatically gain the edge in this scenario and it scares off new DFS players and the casual player. We may have our reasons to like or not like late swap but at the end of the day this is what it causes. I guarantee tomorrows NBA game thread will have 2-5 comments on the first page about one of the GS GTD. Now obviously, if we do our homework we can truly come to a conclusion as to weather or not there going to play, likelihood probably is iggy sits and dray plays, look at BOS Baynes is GTD but if you’ve seen the player, and know the circumstances like marcus morris out, no other center on the roster (to backup horford), not that serious of an injury and dealing with a cavs team bringing Tristan Thompson off the bench Baynes is the most likely lock GTD to play tonight. So ultimately I do have a lot of him, I love him as a player and BOS got destroyed last year by bigs and he’s been brought in to remedy that. Now on the flip side, do you trust your lineup with IGGY GTD with the slate locking I believe 2 1/2 prior to tipoff? I think 99% of us would say no. If your on a limited bankroll or new to dfs your not throwing a dart like that on a two game slate where .1 can decided the cashline and you possibly throw out a 0 player. The only DFS players rolling him out are going to be the pros, or those with massive amounts of free entry’s. I have accumulated 25 free entries to the $4 shot from football, kinda had a nice win streak, $15,750 lineup (thank you keenem, diggs, Hilton and **** the raiders kicker against Washington) and I have zero exposure to IGGY, even though I started with about 30%. Even with house money its still far to intimidating and this Is going on my third season playing DFS. I just want to see them treat NBA slates like the NFL/MLB and if they aren’t I want a legitimate reason as to why. I think that’s fair for all DFS players.

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    @KATburger said...

    To be fair. I up until recently use to manage a local bank here in Minnesota. I also have three children and i’m 29 years old. Now i’m making a living self employed trading securities. I understand the wife/girlfriend/family narrative that a lot of you are mentioning however from a consumer protection standpoint it’s absurd to offer late swap on the other sports and the more traditionally volatile sport (NBA) doesn’t offer it. Now i’m not a pro, i’m not max entering lineups. But theres days where I do throw 100-500 in. I definitely do not sit and monitor news day in and day out. I’ll check basketball monster 15 minutes before lock and cross reference it with rotowire. I’m talking about the fan experience here. Yes late scratches have helped but far more often they have hurt. Game postponements have hurt (unlucky twice last year) I understand its part of the risk of playing DFS but for them to blatantly keep the late swap on the smaller prize pools really makes the ‘risk’ not worth it on the main slate. I’m happy to see others point of views on this subject I wasn’t sure what type of responses would come of it so it’s very much appreciated. I’m looking at it through the lens of as some stated the PROS can afford to enter the questionable’s into a couple lineups as a flyer and that is an edge further gearing FD towards accommodating the pros. I have played fantasy sports since the 6th grade on espn (obviously used different birthday lol) That’s 18 years. The standard for online fantasy sports was always player lock at start of there individual contest. Lineup locks are new to fantasy sports as far as i’m concerned and I feel if enough individuals begin to be upset because 10 minutes after lineup lock 2 hours and 20 minutes before the HOU/GS game Draymon Green is announced in and he’s a player you love because the blocks and steals change you chances go from .0001 to take a tourney to 0. The pros, or wealthy individuals automatically gain the edge in this scenario and it scares off new DFS players and the casual player. We may have our reasons to like or not like late swap but at the end of the day this is what it causes. I guarantee tomorrows NBA game thread will have 2-5 comments on the first page about one of the GS GTD. Now obviously, if we do our homework we can truly come to a conclusion as to weather or not there going to play, likelihood probably is iggy sits and dray plays, look at BOS Baynes is GTD but if you’ve seen the player, and know the circumstances like marcus morris out, no other center on the roster, not that serious of an injury and dealing with a cavs team bringing Tristan Thompson off the bench Baynes is the most likely lock GTD to play tonight. So ultimately I do have a lot of him, I love him as a player and BOS got destroyed last year by bigs and he’s been brought in to remedy that. Now on the flip side, do you trust your lineup with IGGY GTD with the slate locking I believe 2 1/2 prior to tipoff? I think 99% of us would say no. If your on a limited bankroll or new to dfs your not throwing a dart like that on a two game slate where .1 can decided the cashline and you possibly throw out a 0 player. The only DFS players rolling him out are going to be the pros, or those with massive amounts of free entry’s. I have accumulated 25 free entries to the $4 shot from football, kinda had a nice win streak, $15,750 lineup (thank you keenem, diggs, Hilton and **** the raiders kicker against Washington) and I have zero exposure to IGGY, even though I started with about 30%. Even with house money its still far to intimidating and this Is going on my third season playing DFS. I just want to see them treat NBA slates like the NFL/MLB and if they aren’t I want a legitimate reason as to why. I think that’s fair for all DFS players.

    Don’t know why you are complaining as both DK and FD are offering late swap slates for tonight’s games. And yes the tourneys are smaller because the vast majority of NBA players don’t care about late swap. If they did, no doubt both DK and FD would significantly expand their NBA late swap offerings. Both sites are interested in making more money rather than less.

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    This is another point that I made. At least offer similar ‘products’ or solutions to the issue. Allow me to enter a late swap NBA with a higher prize pool. The late swap NBA prize pool on FD is similar to an all day MLB slate which isn’t a big enough reward for the risk being taken.

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    @sochoice

    Well, as a Retail Bank Manager, i’m “complaining” because regulatory issues can and will occur if they don’t offer services to to protect there consumers. May sound dumb to some folks but this is America and if enough complaints are submitted (regardless how dumb they may sound or if its at the consumers own risk) there will be repercussions throughout the DFS world. So why not offer products that some consumers may feel safer with. You can look at my statistics from last season. I believe I ranked in the top 12-17% among the RG community for my NBA play on fanduel. So really who am I looking out for? The less experienced, the not informed. I love DFS why wouldn’t I want changes adapted to the format so that it lasts. You consider this complaining but its actually driving the conversation. Reading back through the thread there’s been a lot of responses both ways on the subject and that’s exactly what I was after. This isn’t an attack at you and this thread isn’t solely about driving or forcing anyone to agree with me. Its to start the conversation and see how the community feels. I respect your opinion as I hope you do mine.

    Also thank you everyone about mentioning DK going back to late swap. I’ll pay attention and see if the prize pools rise a little and might actually hop into a couple as I rarely play DK.

  • bigez952

    @KATburger said...

    This is another point that I made. At least offer similar ‘products’ or solutions to the issue. Allow me to enter a late swap NBA with a higher prize pool. The late swap NBA prize pool on FD is similar to an all day MLB slate which isn’t a big enough reward for the risk being taken.

    These sites are not going to make massive prize pools and risk overlay. If these tournaments get to be very popular and fill 5-6 hours early they will make them bigger and if a majority wanted late swap for the NBA this will be a non issues in a couple of weeks. However I 100% agree with Sochoice in that a majority of users actually don’t care about late swap so the non-late swap tournaments will draw in more users and have larger prize pools. I like how the sites are now offering both so people can make the decision for themselves and DK and FD will adjust the prize pools and tournament sizes accordantly based on how fast they fill and can get an accurate handle of the demand for each.

  • JustDFSin

    @KATburger said...

    To be fair. I up until recently use to manage a local bank here in Minnesota. I also have three children and i’m 29 years old. Now i’m making a living self employed trading securities. I understand the wife/girlfriend/family narrative that a lot of you are mentioning however from a consumer protection standpoint it’s absurd to offer late swap on the other sports and the more traditionally volatile sport (NBA) doesn’t offer it. Now i’m not a pro, i’m not max entering lineups. But theres days where I do throw 100-500 in. I definitely do not sit and monitor news day in and day out. I’ll check basketball monster 15 minutes before lock and cross reference it with rotowire. I’m talking about the fan experience here. Yes late scratches have helped but far more often they have hurt. Game postponements have hurt (unlucky twice last year) I understand its part of the risk of playing DFS but for them to blatantly keep the late swap on the smaller prize pools really makes the ‘risk’ not worth it on the main slate. I’m happy to see others point of views on this subject I wasn’t sure what type of responses would come of it so it’s very much appreciated. I’m looking at it through the lens of as some stated the PROS can afford to enter the questionable’s into a couple lineups as a flyer and that is an edge further gearing FD towards accommodating the pros. I have played fantasy sports since the 6th grade on espn (obviously used different birthday lol) That’s 18 years. The standard for online fantasy sports was always player lock at start of there individual contest. Lineup locks are new to fantasy sports as far as i’m concerned and I feel if enough individuals begin to be upset because 10 minutes after lineup lock 2 hours and 20 minutes before the HOU/GS game Draymon Green is announced in and he’s a player you love because the blocks and steals change you chances go from .0001 to take a tourney to 0. The pros, or wealthy individuals automatically gain the edge in this scenario and it scares off new DFS players and the casual player. We may have our reasons to like or not like late swap but at the end of the day this is what it causes. I guarantee tomorrows NBA game thread will have 2-5 comments on the first page about one of the GS GTD. Now obviously, if we do our homework we can truly come to a conclusion as to weather or not there going to play, likelihood probably is iggy sits and dray plays, look at BOS Baynes is GTD but if you’ve seen the player, and know the circumstances like marcus morris out, no other center on the roster (to backup horford), not that serious of an injury and dealing with a cavs team bringing Tristan Thompson off the bench Baynes is the most likely lock GTD to play tonight. So ultimately I do have a lot of him, I love him as a player and BOS got destroyed last year by bigs and he’s been brought in to remedy that. Now on the flip side, do you trust your lineup with IGGY GTD with the slate locking I believe 2 1/2 prior to tipoff? I think 99% of us would say no. If your on a limited bankroll or new to dfs your not throwing a dart like that on a two game slate where .1 can decided the cashline and you possibly throw out a 0 player. The only DFS players rolling him out are going to be the pros, or those with massive amounts of free entry’s. I have accumulated 25 free entries to the $4 shot from football, kinda had a nice win streak, $15,750 lineup (thank you keenem, diggs, Hilton and **** the raiders kicker against Washington) and I have zero exposure to IGGY, even though I started with about 30%. Even with house money its still far to intimidating and this Is going on my third season playing DFS. I just want to see them treat NBA slates like the NFL/MLB and if they aren’t I want a legitimate reason as to why. I think that’s fair for all DFS players.

    I agree 100%. I’m an advocate of late swap but here is the point that I don’t understand coming from the other side. If you set your lu and your player gets a 0 regardless of whether other people switched him out or not you are still going to lose almost all the time unless player is owned 85% plus. So basically they feel better if everyone else is going to lose to. The argument is the pros have an advantage ,because they can alter a lineup well you can have that same advantage if you choose to. They choose not to for whatever reason.Getting a 0 and losing their money does not bother them, but somebody else gaining an advantage does bother them? The people who put in work get the rewards in life.

  • hishboo

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    I dont think (yet) that DK is intentionally keeping the prize pools for late swap small to kill the product. They had already set the prize pools for this slate a couple weeks ago, so if they make huge late swap tournaments as well for tonight, they would have several contests bound to overlay. I’ll wait at least a few days to reserve judgment on if theyre intentionally sabotaging it, but meanwhile if you want bigger prize pools then you should enter these tourneys so they know the demand. I imagine we’ll see bigger late swap contests in the coming days, since now they can plan both late swap and non late swap slates in conjunction.

    Second, i think it’s hilarious that many of the casuals-semi serious players clamoring for late swap are the ones that stand to lose the most from it. As someone pointed out earlier, with late swap casuals are playing checkers in a game of chess. DK knew this when they took away late swap a year ago; that it was better for the ecosystem/business for casuals to not bleed money to pros as quickly. That’s why, despite what i said earlier, it wouldnt completely surprise me if DK will low-key limit the prize pools on late swap. The pros will play regardless, but it may dissuade some of the casual players.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @sochoice said...

    And yes the tourneys are smaller because the vast majority of NBA players don’t care about late swap

    says whom?

  • NoLimits0

    @KATburger said...

    Lineup locks are new to fantasy sports as far as i’m concerned and I feel if enough individuals begin to be upset because 10 minutes after lineup lock 2 hours and 20 minutes before the HOU/GS game Draymon Green is announced in and he’s a player you love because the blocks and steals change you chances go from .0001 to take a tourney to 0. The pros, or wealthy individuals automatically gain the edge in this scenario and it scares off new DFS players and the casual player. We may have our reasons to like or not like late swap but at the end of the day this is what it causes. I guarantee tomorrows NBA game thread will have 2-5 comments on the first page about one of the GS GTD.

    How do pros benefit? Wouldn’t you expect them to have a similar exposure to Draymond across the board? Just like some amateurs who don’t have Draymond benefit, some pros who don’t have him benefit. Just like some amateurs who have Draymond are hurt, the same percentage of pros are hurt?

    Plus if amateurs are quitting over this, this really hurts the pros in the long run.

    If your argument is pros can max enter and submit more to cover the non Draymond teams, I recommend reading some books on statistics and EV.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @hishboo said...

    I dont think (yet) that DK is intentionally keeping the prize pools for late swap small to kill the product.

    they certainly have them buried in the lobby though on the website.
    The $5/$25K contest will easily fill and could have been twice the size at least

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    Forgot quote**

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    @NoLimits0 said...

    How do pros benefit? Wouldn’t you expect them to have a similar exposure to Draymond across the board? Just like some amateurs who don’t have Draymond benefit, some pros who don’t have him benefit. Just like some amateurs who have Draymond are hurt, the same percentage of pros are hurt?

    Plus if amateurs are quitting over this, this really hurts the pros in the long run.

    If your argument is pros can max enter and submit more to cover the non Draymond teams, I recommend reading some books on statistics and EV.

    My argument is actually the opposite. The pros can afford and will sprinkle in draymond tonight due to the high upside and low ownership where is the casuals are going to completely stay off of him. I don’t need to read much of anything really, I study enough, like I stated I was in the top 15% the prior season for my rankings for DFS NBA. My concern here is fairness, and offering a product that ‘some’ DFS players, or new DFS players feel safer with.

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    Key words there are pro’s and the fact that they can afford to. It’s definitely a benefit that they have its undeniable actually.

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    Otherwise @nolimit0 your saying that a casual fan who cant afford to throw in a possible scratch shouldn’t play. If you yourself don’t agree that the Pro’s benefit in that scenario

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    @KATburger said...

    My argument is actually the opposite. The pros can afford and will sprinkle in draymond tonight due to the high upside and low ownership where is the casuals are going to completely stay off of him. I don’t need to read much of anything really, I study enough, like I stated I was in the top 15% the prior season for my rankings for DFS NBA. My concern here is fairness, and offering a product that ‘some’ DFS players, or new DFS players feel safer with.

    Wait a second. KATburger is actually brilliant. What was thought to be a thread on late swap was actually just a means of working in a humble brag about his RG NBA ranking last year. Well done sir, well done. On a similar note, I just saved 15% on my car insurance, so I got that going for me. Which is nice…

  • hishboo

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    @DefinitelyMiami said...

    they certainly have them buried in the lobby though on the website.
    The $5/$25K contest will easily fill and could have been twice the size at least

    This is because they have massive contests that they put up 2 weeks ago that are nowhere close to full yet. Their priority today is to fill these contests. They can adjust the prize pools for late swap as the demand becomes clearer. What the slates look like a week from now will be way more telling about their intentions than this artificial opening day slate (huge prize pools set weeks ago to entice new players)

  • NoLimits0

    @KATburger said...

    Key words there are pro’s and the fact that they can afford to. It’s definitely a benefit that they have its undeniable actually.

    What are you talking about? Why can’t a casual fan afford to do so? You clearly don’t grasp what EV and probabilistic outcomes mean. If Draymond is ruled out in your hypothetical example, the pros lose a ton from all the lineups that have Draymond and the casual fans lose nothing since they won’t have him in your hypothetical example. I don’t understand. Don’t even state something like “yea but pros also have non Draymond lineups that can make money.” Because if you do that just shows you don’t know what EV and statistics are. Yea if he’s in and you say absolutely no casual player has him, the pros might or might not benefit (depends on how Draymond performs). But that’s like a problistic outcome and it doesn’t change the EV at all for anyone. The reverse argument is the same. EV doesn’t change.

    Also stop with this “afford” crap. Pros can’t afford another form of income like you (who apparently ran a bank branch and now is retired and day trading and doing very well). So don’t say pros can afford this crap. Many casual players can also afford this too. Pros if anything have more risk since their entire income is dependent on DFS.

    Great you were top 15% last year. That means you probably multi entered yourself with another form of income. Sounds like you are pretty much a pro to me.

  • AxeGrinder

    @sochoice said...

    Don’t know why you are complaining as both DK and FD are offering late swap slates for tonight’s games. And yes the tourneys are smaller because the vast majority of NBA players don’t care about late swap. If they did, no doubt both DK and FD would significantly expand their NBA late swap offerings. Both sites are interested in making more money rather than less.

    You do realize that DK had late swap for years and about half of last year. I guess they weren’t interested in making money for all those years and they suddenly saw the light as the “vast majority” prefers no late swap.

    As I mentioned previously, I have seen 3 polls that show the majority prefer late swap. I think they should do a real scientific poll of their clients or make the contests prize pool the same and let the masses decide. DK has made numerous unpopular decisions that eventually they changed. Pretty silly to think that because DK does something at the start of the season it’s because of what the majority of their customers want. They only changed to no late swap because they thought they were merging with FD anyways, otherwise DK would be offering ONLY late swap as they have done for years.

    I am hopeful for future slates that prize pools will be more evenly split so we can see what the customers truly want. When you offer a 1 million prize pools on a 2 game slate for $3 and the highest prizepool for $3 for late swap is $1k and for $5 the highest prizepool is $25k it makes it difficult to gauge what the masses want because everyone wants to play for bigger prizes.

  • NoLimits0

    @KATburger said...

    Otherwise @nolimit0 your saying that a casual fan who cant afford to throw in a possible scratch shouldn’t play. If you yourself don’t agree that the Pro’s benefit in that scenario

    And if only pros throw in this scratch and he is actually scratched, then only the pros lose? And the casual players benefit? I don’t see your point. EV doesn’t change. Just a probabilistic outcome.

    I know your next argument will be “pros still have non Draymond (scratched player in your scenario) lineups” to cover for the ones that have him and he got scratched whereas casuals don’t have the ability to do so. That just shows me you should read a book on EV and statistics.

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    @sochoice said...

    Wait a second. KATburger is actually brilliant. What was thought to be a thread on late swap was actually just a means of working in a humble brag about his RG NBA ranking last year. Well done sir, well done. On a similar note, I just saved 15% on my car insurance, so I got that going for me. Which is nice…

    Those comments wouldn’t arise if for instance someone wouldn’t suggest to read on statistics and EV. Yes my DFS play is profitable. Yet here I am standing for those who are unprofitable. That’s the point of the thread and I’ve kind of made that clear. I could just sit back and let it continue but in doing so we wont have DFS down the road. With my professional experience i’m stating this is what’s best for the DFS world. A select few people changing the narrative as you are now doesn’t really concern me. Yes I’ve won, and hopefully will continue to do so but that’s not really my concern right now or the point. Others just drive the topic that way. The thread has had a lot of positive input so far, so lets just try to keep it that way instead of slamming one for there opinion.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @hishboo said...

    This is because they have massive contests that they put up 2 weeks ago that are nowhere close to full yet. Their priority today is to fill these contests. They can adjust the prize pools for late swap as the demand becomes clearer. What the slates look like a week from now will be way more telling about their intentions than this artificial opening day slate (huge prize pools set weeks ago to entice new players)

    maybe if they were late swap they would be closer to filling…….

    DK isnt well run, we all know this. Its insulting how small the Late Swap contests are. They could have and should have put up like a $75K Late Swap contest when they put the others up 2 weeks ago. To not have tomorrows contests up like a week ago is/was asinine too

  • NoLimits0

    @KATburger said...

    Those comments wouldn’t arise if for instance someone wouldn’t suggest to read on statistics and EV. Yes my DFS play is profitable. Yet here I am standing for those who are unprofitable. That’s the point of the thread and I’ve kind of made that clear. I could just sit back and let it continue but in doing so we wont have DFS down the road. With my professional experience i’m stating this is what’s best for the DFS world. A select few people changing the narrative as you are now doesn’t really concern me. Yes I’ve won, and hopefully will continue to do so but that’s not really my concern right now or the point. Others just drive the topic that way. The thread has had a lot of positive input so far, so lets just try to keep it that way instead of slamming one for there opinion.

    Yes positive input = supporting your case. When it’s a rebuttal to what you say (that it benefits pros) it’s considered negative.

    You do realize that not everyone can win in DFS right? What do you expect this to be? Socialism where everyone wins? It’s ok for there to be unprofitable people.

  • KATburger

    • Blogger of the Month

    @NoLimits0 said...

    And if only pros throw in this scratch and he is actually scratched, then only the pros lose? And the casual players benefit? I don’t see your point. EV doesn’t change. Just a probabilistic outcome.

    I know your next argument will be “pros still have non Draymond (scratched player in your scenario) lineups” to cover for the ones that have him and he got scratched whereas casuals don’t have the ability to do so. That just shows me you should read a book on EV and statistics.

    I see from your other posts in the opening night thread you just really want him to play, which is understandable as do I. The bottom line and the facts are, Pros who max enter will have him in a couple lineups, while those who cant max enter really wont have him at all unless there willing to lose it all (high risk and unlikely for casual play) I didn’t state the pros would run him in 50% or anywhere near that exposure. If they go with even a 1-5% exposure and he’s in he will be in the winning lineup. That winning lineup will be a PRO. Those are facts. Yes its circumstantial there’s if’s that need to take place. But what are “If’s” ??? “If” is just part of a mathematical equation for problem solving and hypothetical thinking. Which is the point here. There’s a lot of “IF’s” and as a previous poster stated there should be polling done to see exactly what the majority wants. If you cant see that a pro with 1-5% exposure to Dray “if” he plays and “if” he hits or exceeds value (Is likely with increase in scoring for STL BLK) can do so because they can afford it AND there’s no late swap then I wont try to convice you.

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