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  • tmarohl

    Anthony Davis just traded to the Lakers for Lonzo, Hart, Ingram, and three first round picks including the number 4.

  • tmarohl

    Lakers probably go after Kemba, Kyrie or Butler with their cap space. They are going to be good and will have to be the favorites in the West.

  • telestraightshooter

    @tmarohl said...

    They are going to be good and will have to be the favorites in the West.

    naww… not good enough.

    I find the there is a LOT of fake news/ hype when it comes stuff like this.

  • gaelicgirl

    Just woke up and saw this news
    Damn

    Didn’t have to wait for June 30 after all, thanks for starting this thread.
    Man, that Game of Zones episode looks kind of prescient now LOL Don’t know what to think about this yet, but do know that the wounded Warriors will get 4 looks at the Lakers in preseason, twice at Chase and twice at Staples.

  • tmarohl

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Just woke up and saw this news
    Damn

    Didn’t have to wait for June 30 after all, thanks for starting this thread.
    Man, that Game of Zones episode looks kind of prescient now LOL Don’t know what to think about this yet, but do know that the wounded Warriors will get 4 looks at the Lakers in preseason, twice at Chase and twice at Staples.

    I just read that they had $30,000 seat licenses for Chase Center in addition to the cost for the tickets. After 30 years, you get the money back. Basically a 30 year interest free loan.

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    @tmarohl said...

    Lakers probably go after Kemba, Kyrie or Butler with their cap space. They are going to be good and will have to be the favorites in the West.

    Not sure they get any of the 3. I’m buying into the Kyrie to the Nets rumors. Butler, maybe. I can see him not wanting to play with LBJ, but being in LA and if he thinks they can win, that might trump it. Kemba, I think ends up in NY or back in Charlotte, assuming either wants him.

    I don’t how good the Lakers will be. They have a lot of holes to fill. They’re basically AD/LBJ/Kuzma and that’s it right now. Everyone else is either a young bench warmer or a free agent. Assuming they snag another somewhat big free agent though, I imagine some decent vets will sign their on the cheap to fill things out.

  • tmarohl

    @Pandamonious said...

    Not sure they get any of the 3. I’m buying into the Kyrie to the Nets rumors. Butler, maybe. I can see him not wanting to play with LBJ, but being in LA and if he thinks they can win, that might trump it. Kemba, I think ends up in NY or back in Charlotte, assuming either wants him.

    I don’t how good the Lakers will be. They have a lot of holes to fill. They’re basically AD/LBJ/Kuzma and that’s it right now. Everyone else is either a young bench warmer or a free agent. Assuming they snag another somewhat big free agent though, I imagine some decent vets will sign their on the cheap to fill things out.

    You would have to think they would go after one of the marquee free agents out there. They will have a max spot if AD waives his trade bonus and New Orleans agrees to not make the trade official until July 30th. You are right though, they won’t have much on the bench if they go that route.

    From ESPN “If both sides agree to push back the trade call until July 30, Los Angeles will have $32.5 million in room to use in free agency.

    By waiting, Los Angeles would be acting like a team over the cap and would be allowed to use the fourth pick in the draft as salary. If the trade is finalized on July 6, that number will shrink to $27.8 million.

    Davis also has a 15 percent trade bonus worth $4 million that would see the Lakers’ cap space shrink to $23.8 million if the trade is completed in the first week of July. Davis will have the right to void the bonus.

    Like the Lakers, New Orleans could also benefit by waiting to complete the trade.

    The Pelicans would see their cap space increase from $15 million to $19 million.”

  • superjon

    @telestraightshooter said...

    naww… not good enough.

    I find the there is a LOT of fake news/ hype when it comes stuff like this.

    Lakers could have made the playoffs if Lebron didn’t get hurt and his team didn’t give up once they found out they were probably going to be traded. Now they get AD, and as tmarohl mentioned possibly adding Kemba, Kyrie or Butler.

    If they stay healthy, they will be the team to beat come playoff time.

    Looking at the rest of the relevant teams in the West

    Warriors – No KD and likely no Klay for most, if not the entire season. I wouldn’t bet against them making the playoffs but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t.
    Nuggets – Solid team.
    Blazers – Tough team. Might have been able to go further if Nurkic didn’t go down.
    Rockets – Will make the playoffs, but Harden can’t get the job done.
    Jazz – I like this team and could see them being improved
    Thunder – Just like Harden with the Rockets, Westbrook just can’t get it done come playoff time.
    Spurs – I don’t see them making any noise unless they make some major changes
    Clippers – It all depends on if they can get Kawhi or Kawhi and Kyrie.

    Let’s say the Clippers do get Kawhi and Irving, and the Lakers can pick up Kemba or Butler. I’d rank the west as

    1. Lakers
    2. Clippers
    3. Blazers
    4. Nuggets
    5. Jazz
    6. Rockets
    7. Spurs
    8. Kings or Thunder

  • yisman

    Let me just say I’d be pretty surprised if the Lakers even got to the Conference Finals this coming season and we have no idea if Glass will even stay after that.

    Pelicans got a great haul considering they deliberately destroyed LA’s chemistry by leaking the trade talks a few months ago and then waiting and getting everything anyway.

    I’m skeptical of the durability of both LeBron and Glass.

    Yes, LeBron was a very durable player before he came to LA, but things may have changed, plus he’s turning 35 two months into the season.

  • theIrrigator

    Pretty even trade for both teams, i was glad to see they got to keep kuzma. Lakers definitely have a pretty good chance to get to the finals. Vegas thinks they have the best chance

  • gaelicgirl

    @tmarohl said...

    Anthony Davis just traded to the Lakers for Lonzo, Hart, Ingram, and three first round picks including the number 4.

    What does “unprotected swap” mean? Pelicans will get one in 2023 and one in 2025.

  • tmarohl

    @theIrrigator said...

    Pretty even trade for both teams, i was glad to see they got to keep kuzma. Lakers definitely have a pretty good chance to get to the finals. Vegas thinks they have the best chance

    I think the Pelicans robbed the Lakers. Two unprotected draft picks in the future and the right to swap others. Damn!

  • tmarohl

    @gaelicgirl said...

    What does “unprotected swap” mean? Pelicans will get one in 2023 and one in 2025.

    The future picks going to the Pelicans are a 2021 top-eight protected pick that becomes unprotected in 2022 and an unprotected first-round pick in 2024, sources told ESPN’s Tim Bontemps. In addition, the deal includes unprotected pick swaps in 2023 and 2025, sources told Bontemps.

    What it means, is that in addition to the Picks going to the Pelicans, that in 2023 and 2025, if the Lakers pick is better than the Pelican’s pick, they have the right to swap positions. That could be huge.

  • gaelicgirl

    @tmarohl said...

    What it means, is that in addition to the Picks going to the Pelicans, that in 2023 and 2025, if the Lakers pick is better than the Pelican’s pick, they have the right to swap positions. That could be huge.

    Thanks!

  • yisman

    @tmarohl said...

    The future picks going to the Pelicans are a 2021 top-eight protected pick that becomes unprotected in 2022 and an unprotected first-round pick in 2024, sources told ESPN’s Tim Bontemps. In addition, the deal includes unprotected pick swaps in 2023 and 2025, sources told Bontemps.

    What it means, is that in addition to the Picks going to the Pelicans, that in 2023 and 2025, if the Lakers pick is better than the Pelican’s pick, they have the right to swap positions. That could be huge.

    Which means if Glass doesn’t stay in LA the trade becomes even more catastrophic as LA could be giving up multiple top 10 picks

    If LeBron is even playing in 3 seasons, he definitely won’t be an elite player and they already traded away virtually everyone else

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    2/3rds of AD’s game start like 3 hours after lock so get used to him getting ruled out 3 hours after lock or get downgraded and you scramble to tinker him out and then he plays. All those lovely scenarios.

    I’m a Lakers fan and am resigned that this was for the best. LeBron has a small window here to win it at his age and so all that young talent wasn’t gonna get it done in the next year or 2. This gives us a better shot depending on who else is brought in. Sure hope Kuzma develops and takes the next step since they clearly prioritized keeping him.

  • superjon

    If the Lakers end up with Butler, then I think they should go after Patrick Beverly to round out their starting 5 if they can afford him.

    That would give them a pretty good defensive back-court.

  • sochoice

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    @yountingly said...

    2/3rds of AD’s game start like 3 hours after lock so get used to him getting ruled out 3 hours after lock or get downgraded and you scramble to tinker him out and then he plays. All those lovely scenarios.

    I’m a Lakers fan and am resigned that this was for the best. LeBron has a small window here to win it at his age and so all that young talent wasn’t gonna get it done in the next year or 2. This gives us a better shot depending on who else is brought in. Sure hope Kuzma develops and takes the next step since they clearly prioritized keeping him.

    Agree with all your points. Only place I differ is on Kuzma. He could be a great player, but his usage will be in the single digits playing with LeBron and Mr, Glass.

  • Njsum1

    @yisman said...

    Which means if Glass doesn’t stay in LA the trade becomes even more catastrophic as LA could be giving up multiple top 10 picks

    I’d be shocked if the Lakers didn’t speak to AD before offering the trade, and confirm that he’s ready to sign a long term deal once the year is up. You don’t offer all that unless you’re assured he’ll sign long term.

    Don’t know why he wouldn’t sign long term
    1) He’d get more money if he stays with the Lakers
    2) the LA market is great for his brand, endorsements, etc.
    3) the weather is fantastic.

  • Njsum1

    Side note…everyone is talking about the future draft picks that the Pelicans get, which may or may not turn out to be anything.

    The Lakers keeping Kuzma is cool. Yet he’s just an average/solid player. As previously stated, he likely won’t get a ton of usage, yet he’ll never see more than one defender (sometimes none).

    Yet the biggest prize the Pelicans got IMO was Lonzo Ball. While he can’t shoot (yet/maybe not ever 🤷‍♂️), and regardless of what you think about his pop, he’s a guy who makes a team better. He’s a good defender, passer, ball handler, rebounder.

    Everyone sites LeBron getting hurt as what derailed the Lakers season, which is of course true, yet the Lakers were rolling with LeBron and Lonzo playing together. When LeBron came back, he looked like his normal self, yet the wins weren’t there, cause Lonzo wasn’t there. There’s a reason the Pels took Lonzo and left Kuzma. And it wasn’t the Lakers keeping Kuzma and dealing Lonzo. It’s clear who was in the drivers seat here, and it wasn’t the Lakers. They were willing to give whatever the Pels wanted, and the Pels wanted Lonzo.

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    The Lakers hinging everything on world’s most off-injured player and an older Lebron who is due to breakdown any time time now. Let’s face it….in NBA years Lebron is about 38 or 39 so window is suuuper small to risk all their young talent (Besides Kuzma). If the Lakers are to challenge in the West they will need 2 or 3 more shooters to sign for cheap….AND need both their big guns to stay healthy. That’s one of the biggest question marks ever imo as I stated above.
    On a side note, it is simply amazing how a 35 year old player can completely change EVERYTHING about a franchise in a year’s time. yuck

  • yisman

    @jlowery73 said...

    The Lakers hinging everything on world’s most off-injured player and an older Lebron who is due to breakdown any time time now. Let’s face it….in NBA years Lebron is about 38 or 39 so window is suuuper small to risk all their young talent (Besides Kuzma). If the Lakers are to challenge in the West they will need 2 or 3 more shooters to sign for cheap….AND need both their big guns to stay healthy. That’s one of the biggest question marks ever imo as I stated above.
    On a side note, it is simply amazing how a 35 year old player can completely change EVERYTHING about a franchise in a year’s time. yuck

    it’s just crazy to think about how a little over a year ago, LA’s future looked bright and now they’ve given up everything (except Kuzma)

    for what? A past his prime LeBron and the most-injured player in the NBA.

    Realistic scenario:

    LeBron misses 15-20 games (back to backs plus if he pulls a muscle he’s out a month, evidently)
    Glass misses at least 20 games (hang nails, back to back, periods, stomachaches)

    Lakers get the 6th seed, and proceed to lose in the first or second round.

    Glass realizes it’s not that much fun playing with LeBron because LeBron the coach is bad and LeBron the GM is even worse.

    Glass signs elsewhere in FA.

    Pelicans then use their swaps twice on the Lakers because the Lakers are going to be in the lottery each year if Glass leaves.

    The trade for Glass ends up going down as one of the worst in NBA history.

    Possible.

  • yisman

    @Njsum1 said...

    I’d be shocked if the Lakers didn’t speak to AD before offering the trade, and confirm that he’s ready to sign a long term deal once the year is up. You don’t offer all that unless you’re assured he’ll sign long term.

    Don’t know why he wouldn’t sign long term
    1) He’d get more money if he stays with the Lakers
    2) the LA market is great for his brand, endorsements, etc.
    3) the weather is fantastic.

    I’m sure they think he’ll stay, but it’s irrelevant because no deal was signed.

    Even if he outright told them he would stay, that also doesn’t matter. Teams and players break their word on these kinds of things all the time.

    One of the more notable examples, I believe, related to Carlos Boozer, but there have been others.

    if I had a dollar for every time a player swore up and down he’d re-sign (that hitting FA was just a formality) and then left, I’d be a wealthy man.

  • Njsum1

    @jlowery73 said...

    . Let’s face it….in NBA years Lebron is about 38 or 39 so window is suuuper small to risk all their young talent (Besides Kuzma

    That’s why they did it. Lebron can still ball, and AD is in his prime. Even if they kept their young talent, there were no guarantees that the Lakers would be anything except perennial playoff outsiders, once Lebron is done.

    Odds of winning a championship in the NBA are so small, that if you have a window, you have to take it…IMO. I think the Lakers and Lakers fans would trade a championship for what was likely to be years of mediocrity. Just ask the Raptors and Raptors fans. The Lakers will at least contend for 2 years now.

  • yisman

    @Njsum1 said...

    That’s why they did it. Lebron can still ball, and AD is in his prime. Even if they kept their young talent, there were no guarantees that the Lakers would be anything except perennial playoff outsiders, once Lebron is done.

    Odds of winning a championship in the NBA are so small, that if you have a window, you have to take it…IMO. I think the Lakers and Lakers fans would trade a championship for what was likely to be years of mediocrity. Just ask the Raptors and Raptors fans. The Lakers will at least contend for 2 years now.

    yes, if they win a title, it’ll be worth it

    but I’d be very surprised if they do

    and then they’ll be bad for years with no future because most of the lottery picks are going to be going to New Orleans.

    It’ll be the darkest era in the history of the franchise. Sure, they’ve had bad seasons before, but not for prolonged periods.

    The Raptors took a huge gamble and it actually paid off. Now if Kawhi leaves, which he likely will, it will still have been worth it.

    I don’t see the Lakers winning the title in the small window they have.

  • Njsum1

    @yisman said...

    and then they’ll be bad for years with no future because most of the lottery picks are going to be going to New Orleans

    No they won’t, they just won’t have draft picks to build their roster. Yet they’ll have easily a top 5 player (AD) locked in for the foreseeable future. Then once Lebron leaves they’ll have all the cap space needed to ensure a competitive team. Plus, it’s LA, a very desirable location for free agents.

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