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  • tmarohl

    Anthony Davis just traded to the Lakers for Lonzo, Hart, Ingram, and three first round picks including the number 4.

  • superstars92

    Franchise Tags wouldn’t work in the NBA because a player has a max. In the NFLs, there are technically no max restrictions per player.

  • leib0039

    Franchise tags would never work. The NBA is such a different beast than other pro sports, super-duper stars matter WAY more, they are capped at what they can make and trades are really easy to do. I think if the NBA really wanted to make sure to split up true stars the only way to do that would be to tell each team they had 1 player who could make any $$ they wanted and it didnt go against the cap. So hey Lebron is that guy for the Lakers lets say and he makes $75m a year, AD you can go there thats fine, but you are going to make $28m a year, if he is truly ok leaving $40-$50m PER SEASON on the table so be it. I would also let players waive their deals if both agreed, so say PG was making $75m a year in OKC and kawhi said hey i want you in LAC, im getting $90m a year you would have to waive your $75m a year down to $30m (so long as it fit under the cap) you can do that. Bet PG would never request/signoff on that trade.

    Thats an extreme but it would be a way to split up the top guys for sure. The other thing would be to put no cap on contracts but have an actual salary cap not this BS “soft cap”, you can go over to sign your guys, trade exception garbage which turns into a joke. But as long as contracts are capped you will have this deal with the top guys leaving, why would you ever stay in MIL/TOR/MIN/CLE/UTA/CHA/OKC if you were a top 5 player.

  • superstars92

    If NBA wants to have more parity and help the smaller market teams, they should do it so if you sign with your original team, you can make an extra 25% a year or something. That’s really the only way and even in that case, many might leave. AD didn’t just go to LA to win, he also went there for the business opportunities/popularity (that’s why he also had NYC as a backup plan in his trade destinations). If you wanna know how popular LA players are, Kyle Kuzma and Lonzo Ball were like top 15 in All Star Voting, above many players in boring smaller markets. Kyle Kuzma wouldn’t have all the opportunities he has now if he was playing in Indiana or OKC.

  • leib0039

    The only thing that hurts the whole “extra 25%” thing is with the cap it can really kill a team. Everyone wants to hate on the Wiggins contract but if you are the Wolves you have a 22yr old who was coming off a 24ppg season, are you just supposed to let him walk? No you have to give him the super max, well in 3 years now you are stuck. Same with OKC-Russ and WAS-Wall, you are almost forced into these deals and 3 years down the line they bury your teams cap and your ability to win for 5+ years.

    Thus why i think they need to make it so the cap number and the actual contract number are different if you draft the guy. Or something where the not only can the player make more staying there, but the franchise isnt totally hamstrung by the deals too.

  • yisman

    @monarch said...

    GG-

    Cliff notes version is a team can tag a player in the NFL but they have to pay them the average salary of the top five highest paid players at their position and I believe they can do that two or three years in a row. That’s my knowledge without looking it up.

    also, it keeps going up

    IOW if you franchise a player once, it’s expensive. If you franchise him for a second year in a row, it becomes prohibitive.

    An “exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater.

    Consecutive franchise tags are allowed; however, for a player to be tagged two straight years, the team must pay 120 percent of the player’s previous salary.

  • telestraightshooter

    @superstars92 said...

    If NBA wants to have more parity and help the smaller market teams,

    … they should do it like the NFL…..
    notice how the Green Bay Packers became relevant again after NFL restructured revenue-sharing in 92?

    The block is the anal retentive owners in New York for the Knicks and MLB.

    MLB is ruined because it banks it’s talent to population-dense teams

  • superstars92

    All this talk about free agency and the players having so much power is why Curt Flood should be in the Baseball HOF. It’s ridiculous why he hasn’t been inducted yet.

  • Pandamonious

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    Players are always going to want to go where they want. Players can already be rewarded with more years and more money resigning with their current team. They don’t care. There’s no easy fix.

    The franchise tag can easily work in the NBA. It’s pretty simple. I apologize if I butcher some rules along the way, but the gist of it is right there…

    Players drafted in the 1st round get 3 or 4 year deals usually. Then they become restricted free agents. So when you draft a guy you’re already have 6-7 years at minimum of time with him, unless you trade him. As a restricted free agent, basically it just means here’s your chance to get more money, but you’re not going anywhere. Of course there’s situations like Brogdon where the Bucks let him leave, but worked out compensation with the Pacers first. That’s entirely different and not really the discussion.

    So say, you drafted player X, he played for you for 3 years, then he became an RFA, signed an offer sheet for 3 years with another team, well if you want to keep him, you match. Now you have that player locked in for 6 years from when you drafted him. Again, yes teams get shifty here and offer “poison pill” deals that you’re forced to think about and can screw you if you match, but that’s extremely rare.

    Then the player after 6 seasons with the same team becomes a UFA and thinks, “I need to get the hell out of here. The weather is cold. I hate snow. We’ve lost 50 games every year I’ve been here. I hate my coach. I’m taking off.” Fine.

    Why not then, if the player is worth it you can tag them for 1 year. You can then run arbitration like MLB, where a court basically decides what you’re worth. Or you can just make the tag for 25 million. You know that player wants out. You have options. You can then trade him after the tag to a team where you know he wants to go and agree to sign an extension with off the tag. Keep him for the year knowing you have to change his mind or you’re out of luck. Or, which I believe NFL does, if you tag him, he can still sign elsewhere, but the team that signs him has to give up a 1st round pick, maybe even make it 2 1st round picks to sign him. Give the other teams, even teams with cap space pause on signing a guy. You could even go a step further, and make a team give up a player like when leagues run expansion drafts. If you sign a guy, you can only protect your top 5 guys and the team losing the player has the option of plucking a player from that team.

    So example…Celtics lose Kyrie to the Nets. Say the Celtics tagged Kyrie. The Nets would protect say, Allen, LeVert, Dinwiddie, Kurucs, and Prince. Nets don’t care and still sign Kyrie. So the Celtics in return would get a 1st rounder, and maybe their choice of a player the Nets left unprotected or another 1st round pick. Maybe all of it.

    Anyway, you get the point. Teams about to lose the player gets options. Also, to sign a player away from another team has consequences too. So the Nets would be forced to give up as many as four future 1st round picks to sign Durant and Irving, plus possibly, maybe give up a couple bench players depending on how far you want to go. Would that have stopped the Nets? Probably not. Does that help the team that lost the players? A little bit. Certainly more then it does now. Maybe even throw in compensatory picks like MLB does. If you lose an all-star player in free agency maybe you get an extra pick outside the lottery. Give them something.

    Anyway, sorry for the lengthy post. I think the point is to protect and help less desirable small-market teams stay on their feet.

  • tmarohl

    @superstars92 said...

    Franchise Tags wouldn’t work in the NBA because a player has a max. In the NFLs, there are technically no max restrictions per player.

    It could work. Yes they have maxes now, but something could be done like getting 10% more than the max per year if you are franchised. If everyone ends up playing in NY, CA, and FL, then there is no point having a league anymore. Owners are already setting up for something different as the players have too much power right now. That is why I said the Giannis thing will be a test case.

  • yisman

    ESPN wants to abolish the draft and make everyone a free agent:

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27155377/why-all-nba-players-free-agents-draft-abolished

  • yisman

    NBA/NHL/NFL news taking off for the MLB AS break too, it feels like.

  • superstars92

    Who’s the best free agent remaining? Jeremy Lin?

  • tmarohl

    @superstars92 said...

    Who’s the best free agent remaining? Jeremy Lin?

    Korver
    Livingston
    Melo
    Trey Lyles
    Justin Holliday
    David Nwaba
    Thabo Sefelosha
    Cheick Diallo
    Jonathon Simmons
    Iman Shumpert
    Lance Stephenson
    Jamal Crawford
    Vince Carter
    Ryan Anderson
    Faried
    Trey Burke
    Pau Gasol
    Tyson Chandler
    Joakim Noah
    Jodie Meeks
    Nene,
    Ian Clarke
    Jonas Jerebko
    Furkan Korkmaz
    Lance Thomas
    Jerryd Bayless
    Kosta Koufos
    Greg Monroe

  • superstars92

    ^So basically Jeremy Lin haha. I guess Faried is decent. Korver can help. None of those other guys seem appealing. Trey Lyles is still a development project I guess.

  • superstars92

    Nuggets being 30:1 is a joke. They should be like one of the favorites in the West. Even if you put them behind Clippers and Lakers and maybe even Warriors, they should still be like 10:1.

    Got all 5 starters returning, and have an amazing bench with Monte Morris, Malik Beasley (both of whom can start on other teams and were good as starters last year with injuries), Torrey Craig, Jerami Grant, and Mason Plumlee, and they have Michael Porter Jr and Bol Bol, two elite prospects.

    I can see them at the trade deadline make a big trade, maybe sending away Will Barton, one of their good bench players, and one of their young prospects for an even bigger upgrade.

  • monarch

    Yes, Nuggets are loaded. Monte Morris is a beast.

    They have the best trade chips in the league if they ever wanted to make a move but they are better off developing what they have.

    They are missing a wing type closer. Imagine if they had Kawhi

  • superstars92

    @monarch said...

    Yes, Nuggets are loaded. Monte Morris is a beast.

    They have the best trade chips in the league if they ever wanted to make a move but they are better off developing what they have.

    They are missing a wing type closer. Imagine if they had Kawhi

    Yea they shoulda traded for Paul George. They could have given up better pieces than the Clippers and since Paul George is on a long term contract, he couldn’t just sit out for multiple years. That also prevents Kawhi to LAC and probably makes Nuggets overall favorite.

    They could have given up a massive package like Monte Morris, Michael Porter Jr, Bol Bol, Will Barton, any matching contracts, and like 3-4 unprotected first round picks (one of which was used for Jerami Grant anyways) for Paul George. That’s better than the Clippers.

    Porter Jr and Bol Bol might turn out to be better than any of the Clippers 1st rounders, and Morris would be the best young prospect the Thunder could have gotten and they get worse with Barton < Gallinari which helps Thunder tanking.

    Nuggets would still have massive depth because they can start Murray, Harris, George, Millsap, and Jokic with Beasley, Craig, and Plumlee off the bench (all 3 of which can be starters).

    I feel like Bol Bol and Porter Jr might never get playing time on Nuggets so they might as well leverage them, unless they somehow think Porter Jr can be an All-Star which I guess is possible, but I’ll rather have the bonafide All-Star in George first.

    I should be the Nuggets GM haha.

  • monarch

    They should do something. They have too many young assets…even Vanderbilt and Goodwin look like players. Vanderbilt put 20/17 on the Warriors last night and he will never see the court for the Nuggets.

  • monarch

    Maybe they can get Beal. They have the assets and he would pair really well with Murray and Jokic. They have enough assets to reset the Wizards roster

  • tmarohl

    This Windhorst story on ESPN is kind of interesting https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27162365/players-teams-use-maximum-leverage-deals-summer

    Durant wouldn’t agree to the sign and trade unless Golden State threw in a first round draft pick, because he didn’t think straight up for Russell was enough.

  • superstars92

    @monarch said...

    Maybe they can get Beal. They have the assets and he would pair really well with Murray and Jokic. They have enough assets to reset the Wizards roster

    That could work. It would have to be probably Gary Harris, Malik Beasley (Morris not needed with Wall), Hernangomez, Porter Jr, Bol Bol (if necessary), and a 1st. It’ll also match salaries since Harris makes a decent amount and the rest can fill up to Beal’s salary.

    Denver would still be loaded with Murray, Beal, Craig, Millasp, Jokic with Morris, Barton, Grant, and Plumlee off the bench with that Vanderbilt kid developing.

  • superstars92

    For sure Denver is in a predicament because they have too much depth, and unlike the NFL, stars are way more important in the NBA, whereas in the NFL depth means more.

  • gaelicgirl

    @tmarohl said...

    Durant wouldn’t agree to the sign and trade unless Golden State threw in a first round draft pick, because he didn’t think straight up for Russell was enough.

    Just read about that on BR (no clicks for ESPN!). KD acting like a poor man’s Kawhi with that demand.

    Hope the Nets enjoy their 2nd round pick in 6 years LOL

  • gaelicgirl

    @monarch said...

    They should do something. They have too many young assets…even Vanderbilt and Goodwin look like players. Vanderbilt put 20/17 on the Warriors last night and he will never see the court for the Nuggets.

    Good game last night! Especially loved the 4th quarter.
    https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1149191214312370176

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    @superstars92 said...

    That could work. It would have to be probably Gary Harris, Malik Beasley (Morris not needed with Wall), Hernangomez, Porter Jr, Bol Bol (if necessary), and a 1st. It’ll also match salaries since Harris makes a decent amount and the rest can fill up to Beal’s salary.

    Denver would still be loaded with Murray, Beal, Craig, Millasp, Jokic with Morris, Barton, Grant, and Plumlee off the bench with that Vanderbilt kid developing.

    Personally I hate the idea of Denver giving up Michael Porter or Bol Bol. I see both as potential all-stars who were extreme values where they were drafted. If Porter gets back to full health enough to reach his potential he’s a 25ppg scorer by his 3rd season. Bol Bol has crazy potential as well.

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