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  • tmarohl

    Anthony Davis just traded to the Lakers for Lonzo, Hart, Ingram, and three first round picks including the number 4.

  • telestraightshooter

    “Houston was the preferred destination of Westbrook \
    Harden was the driving force in this deal.” -woj

    If these 2 superstars were astronomical nouns, they would be black holes, attracted by each others gravity………

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/791255/supermassive-black-hole-collision-merger-parsec-problem-hubble

    its funny how human behavior sometimes mimics astrophysics

  • monarch

    I think the Heat will be good and did well by not coughing up Bam and Winslow. I can also see them flipping Dragic/Herro for CP3.

    Butler should have a career year

  • yisman

    I was out when the trade happened. Saw it on TV at the meadowlands. Westbrook is 30 and has a bad contract and his game is all about athleticism.

    He also can’t really co-exist with Harden.

    Bad contract for a bad contract but they gave up two firsts and two pick swaps. So bad. Rockets are screwed and it might be 8 years before they contend again.

    OKC had the best offseason of any team. They weren’t winning a title with Westbrook/PG3 anyway.

    They somehow turned those two into seven first rounders, pick swaps, and players.

    Anyway, Fanduel was offering Barrett Rookie of the Year at +550.

    I left without deciding whether to bet it or not. Probably an ok bet but I couldn’t find odds online to compare.

  • telestraightshooter

    @yisman said...

    He also can’t really co-exist with Harden.

    Perhaps, but like I mentioned about astrophysics, sometimes pressure/ gravity alters physical properties/ behaviour. ( lookup how the otherwise impossible 2nd stage of thermonuclear device is enabled by pressure)

    But I digress- these 2 will HAVE to alter their play styles.
    …could happen.

  • monarch

    I really like the trade for the Rockets. Russ should smash with all that space the Rockets create on offense

  • tmarohl

    @monarch said...

    I really like the trade for the Rockets. Russ should smash with all that space the Rockets create on offense

    I think it is a bad trade for Houston. Yes Westbrook is better than Paul, but they gave up a lot, and their styles do not mesh well. Harden will have to sacrifice his game and become a catch and shoot jump shooter for Westbrook to be at his best. That takes the ball out of Harden’s hands, reduces the number of step back threes, reduces the number of free throws he will get, etc. Houston’s offense will probably speed up a little, which could compensate, but Paul could at least shoot. Russ, not so much.

  • monarch

    D’Antoni made Nash 2x MVP, Harden MVP and got the absolute most out of Melo and Amare Stoudemire. He has a track record of tweaking his philosophy to get career years out of good players.

    Harden needs someone to lighten his workload. They are more of a contender now than with CP3…I think a real threat for the title and that’s all you can ask.

  • tmarohl

    @monarch said...

    D’Antoni made Nash 2x MVP, Harden MVP and got the absolute most out of Melo and Amare Stoudemire. He has a track record of tweaking his philosophy to get career years out of good players.

    Harden needs someone to lighten his workload. They are more of a contender now than with CP3…I think a real threat for the title and that’s all you can ask.

    I respectfully disagree. I still think they are about fifth in the West. That is probably why they now appear to be on a mission to acquire Iggy.

  • monarch

    I’m not sure how I have them ranked. Definitely ahead of the Lakers and they have a history of making the Nuggets and Jazz look silly. The only team that gave them problems were the Warriors.

  • Pandamonious

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    Basically to me it’s like this…

    Paul can shoot, but he can’t drive the lane, force defenses to collapse and open things up on the perimeter.

    Westbrook can’t shoot, but he can drive the lane, force defenses to collapse and open things up on the perimeter.

    The question is, which one works better for the Rockets as they’re currently constructed?

    I guess the sub-questions then would be, does Westbrook impact Harden positively, negatively, or neutrally? Also, do the Rockets have enough quality shooters to take advantage of what Westbrook will hopefully bring?

    I don’t know. The rumor is the Rockets are trying to get Iguodala also, who himself is not what I would consider a quality threat from deep, but somewhat serviceable. This to me is a sign of the Rockets going backwards.

  • monarch

    Rivers, Gordon, RWB, Iggy, Harden, Tucker. That is a nice foundation to build a versatile perimeter defense. Not bad.

    Harden not know for his defense but as most know he is actually good defending in the post. Throw in Capela and they can switch everything against most teams.

    I’m not a Rockets fan but I think they will be formidable.

  • yisman

    The timing worked out poorly for the Warriors, as they had to dump Iguana immediately and were forced to give Memphis a first to take him as a salary dump

    Memphis can now turn around and get even more for him.

    Memphis having a good offseason and obviously OKC as well. Lots of draft picks.

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    @monarch said...

    Rivers, Gordon, RWB, Iggy, Harden, Tucker. That is a nice foundation to build a versatile perimeter defense. Not bad.

    Harden not know for his defense but as most know he is actually good defending in the post. Throw in Capela and they can switch everything against most teams.

    I’m not a Rockets fan but I think they will be formidable.

    Yeah, it could work. When I first saw the trade my instinct was this was a terrible move by the Rockets, but I’m coming around. If nothing else getting Paul out of the locker room might be good for the whole team. Nobody seems to like to play with Paul. Blake hated him. Seems like Harden might hate him too. If he ends up in Miami, I’m sure Butler will eventually knock him out.

  • tmarohl

    I just don’t see how putting the two most ball dominant players in the league together can work, unless one of them sacrifices significantly. It his case, for this to work, it will have to be Harden.

  • monarch

    @tmarohl said...

    I just don’t see how putting the two most ball dominant players in the league together can work, unless one of them sacrifices significantly. It his case, for this to work, it will have to be Harden.

    Remember the game the Bucks played in Houston where Bledsoe picked up Harden at halfcourt and put his hands straight up and completely turned his body so Harden could never get to his left hand?

    Teams cant do that with RWB on the floor. At least not as effectively. He will dice up a 4v4 or 4v3 defensive strategy IMO.

  • gaelicgirl

    @monarch said...

    Harden needs someone to lighten his workload. They are more of a contender now than with CP3…I think a real threat for the title and that’s all you can ask.

    Wasn’t the optimistic take when they added CP3 that now Harden had someone to lighten his workload? Yet he still dominated the ball, and when CP3 did get a turn at running the offense Harden didn’t seem interested in helping.
    CP3 is a better shooter than Westbrook, but Westbrook made the chemistry with PG13 work by letting him take the offensive spotlight. The friction between Harden and CP3 was real, so I’m cautiously optimistic that this pairing could work out better for the Rockets. At least Harden and Westbrook have a history of playing well together.

    And they seem to genuinely like each other, too.

  • hobbes2d

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    @tmarohl said...

    I think it is a bad trade for Houston. Yes Westbrook is better than Paul, but they gave up a lot, and their styles do not mesh well. Harden will have to sacrifice his game and become a catch and shoot jump shooter for Westbrook to be at his best. That takes the ball out of Harden’s hands, reduces the number of step back threes, reduces the number of free throws he will get, etc. Houston’s offense will probably speed up a little, which could compensate, but Paul could at least shoot. Russ, not so much.

    I don’t think they gave up that much. Basically just swapping awful contract for awful contract but at least Russ for the present future is a reliable NBA talent. CP3 is constantly banged up and flopping around and was basically a total zero that entire playoffs. That was probably the best full season Harden’s ever had start to finish. He finally didn’t “choke” in the playoffs. Dude had 1 eye nearly swollen shut and he’s knocking down clutch 30 footers playing with basically scrubs against the best team in the league. At the very least at least Westbrook will be an equal with Harden in terms of playing hard every night and coming to play so he gets some help in that regard.

    If I were Houston I would still look to trade Capela and get another quality piece onto that team that can play in the playoffs. Even with a severely flawed team Houston was able to take GS to the brink and there’s probably more parity than ever right now. Though I will say Houston is kind of screwed against the Clippers like most of the rest of the league will be lol. Edit Though if they pull off acquiring Iggy that would be a huge addition.

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    @monarch said...

    Rivers, Gordon, RWB, Iggy, Harden, Tucker. That is a nice foundation to build a versatile perimeter defense. Not bad.

    Harden not know for his defense but as most know he is actually good defending in the post. Throw in Capela and they can switch everything against most teams.

    I’m not a Rockets fan but I think they will be formidable.

    Westbrook’s much improved defensively over the past couple seasons. Just like Harden.

  • monarch

    Russ gets a bad wrap

    I went to one NBA game this season 1/29/19 OKC at ORL

    PG had like 25 points at the half ended up with 37. Schroder had 18 points in the 4th quarter and Russ went for 23/14/14 on 12 field goal attempts.

    Russ has no problem deferring…its when his teammates cant get it done that he feels he needs to take over.

  • tmarohl

    @monarch said...

    Remember the game the Bucks played in Houston where Bledsoe picked up Harden at halfcourt and put his hands straight up and completely turned his body so Harden could never get to his left hand?

    Teams cant do that with RWB on the floor. At least not as effectively. He will dice up a 4v4 or 4v3 defensive strategy IMO.

    Yes, I remember. They did that to him twice actually. The difference as I see it is for this to work is that Harden will not have the ball in his hands, because Russell needs it to be effective since he can’t shoot. That turns Harden into a catch and shoot jump shot guy when they are both on the floor. Might actually be in Houston’s best interest to limit the time they are on the floor together. That way they can both do what they do best, in shorter spurts. That would also mean that Harden and Russell would be fresher on the defensive end.

  • gaelicgirl

    @monarch said...

    Russ gets a bad wrap

    I went to one NBA game this season 1/29/19 OKC at ORL

    PG had like 25 points at the half ended up with 37. Schroder had 18 points in the 4th quarter and Russ went for 23/14/14 on 12 field goal attempts.

    Russ has no problem deferring…its when his teammates cant get it done that he feels he needs to take over.

    Agree that Westbrook has gotten a bad rap. As I said about a week ago, Westbrook was unfairly blamed for KD’s departure from OKC, and the narrative became that KD didn’t like playing with him. It’s been reported (by SAS, so grain of salt here) that KD was actually unhappy with Sam Presti, because he wouldn’t allow Nike to put a billboard on their arena after KD won MVP. Now it’s been reported that KD had a problem with Steve Kerr, which seems entirely credible to me, but I hear people unfairly blaming Draymond for his departure from GS. The common denominator here is KD’s thin skin and fragile ego, and in both instances he left for what he perceived to be better circumstances.
    Also agree about Westbrook having no problem being a facilitator for others, and think there’s a good chance that he’ll trust Harden and Gordon enough to not feel like he needs to do it all.

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    @monarch said...

    Russ has no problem deferring…its when his teammates cant get it done that he feels he needs to take over.

    I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I feel like it’s hard to. Look at like the last possession vs. Portland before Dame’s 3. He didn’t even look at PG13 who was having a way better game. Like he took essentially the same number of shots per game as KD in KD’s last 4 seasons with OKC, so there’s statistical evidence of this. KD clearly isn’t a “teammate who can’t get it done.” In Houston, he needs to be 1:2 vs. Harden, like it should have been in OKC with KD.

  • Njsum1

    @monarch said...

    Rivers, Gordon, RWB, Iggy, Harden, Tucker. That is a nice foundation to build a versatile perimeter defense. Not bad.

    Harden not know for his defense but as most know he is actually good defending in the post. Throw in Capela and they can switch everything against most teams.

    I’m not a Rockets fan but I think they will be formidable.

    I agree the Rockets will be good, and that Westbrook and Harden will work well together. Problem is the West is gonna be touuuughhh. So what’s the standard for good, or to say the pair is working? Western conference champs, making the conference finals, WC Semi’s? Doesn’t seem likely they’ll make the WCF. Yet, to me that doesn’t mean the pairing isn’t working. If they were lower than the 5th seed in the west, or didn’t win a playoff series, then I’d say it’s a bust.

    I just don’t see the Clippers not being in the WCF. So….the Rockets are going to have to be better than or beat the Lakers, which is possible, cause we haven’t seen the new look squad yet. Still, not likely according to the oddsmakers. Don’t forget, Utah, Denver, even Portland and GS are still solid teams.

    I just don’t want to hear garbage from the naysayers that Harden and Westy isn’t working based on them not winning a title, or even making the WCF. Fact is, you can be good, yet sometimes you just run into a Buzzsaw, just ask Milwaukee and Philly.

    My point is that we can’t judge the pair by title or no title. WC Champs or even making the WCF final as a criteria.

  • monarch

    Russ is a tough guy to box in. I felt like Donovan had very little control over him. When the Thunder ran iso sets for George early and midway through the season he was a legit MVP candidate. PG broke down last season and Russ started taking on more and more offensive responsibility. Hes a tough guy to tell to turn the off switch once he gets going.

    I would like to think the Rockets owner asked MDA if Russ and Harden could work and I’d like to think he said hell yeah. But that might not be the case. MDA is one of those that staggers so they probably share the court for about 12 minutes a night.

  • gaelicgirl

    @Njsum1 said...

    Problem is the West is gonna be touuuughhh.

    Probably the one thing everyone can agree on.

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