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  • y2mulder

    Tweet: ‏@howardstutz 3 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Nevada Gaming Control Board bans daily fantasy sports websites from Nevada. Says it’s gambling Story coming @reviewjournal #RJnow

    Letter: http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=10481

  • budfox6

    Not Chi Town! The sky is officially falling.

  • tonytone1908

    @nerachal46 said...

    Damm could be my last weekend for trying to win the Big One !!!!!

    http://www.legalsportsreport.com/4883/dfs-federal-grand-jury-florida/

    says grand juries could take months. i don’t see FD or DK giving up money in Florida until they absolutely have to. The others just can’t afford the risk.

    Regardless, I don’t think anything can happen in FL overnight. Months at the least I would think.

  • Putz

    Two points:

    1. Just curious since this was not previously answered, what could Nevada do to a site operating in another state? What could it do to the players? Looks like nothing.

    I am not sure why the sites are self-prohibiting players in Nevada just to play it safe, because unlike other states, they did not say playing was illegal. The notice was by the gaming commission requiring a license to operate in their state, not banning people from playing on severs located in another state. Someone mentioned, wouldn’t this fall under federal jurisdiction due to interstate commerce? The servers are in another state outside of Nevada, I assume. I’m no lawyer, but someone with a better understanding please learn me. Wouldn’t FD and DK want to say FU and have proceedings pushed outside the state and have this fall under the Feds and the UIGEA? Since the servers are in a state where it is not prohibited and don’t require a license to host, what laws of Nevada are they breaking?

    2. There were comments about DK and FD not wanting to file a gaming license in Nevada because some would take it as an admission to DFS being the same as gambling, but didn’t one of these big sites file a gaming license somewhere in Europe over the summer? Why has this not been brought up, making the motion of filing in Nevada not as big of a deal as it is being made.

  • KevBaile

    @Njcop2001 said...

    I’m sure a legitimate web site will come along to fill the void that doesn’t mind having their business being licensed and having oversight over it. That is all that Nevada is proposing.

    This made me literally laugh out loud. It’s cute that you think that is “all Nevada is proposing.” They’re protecting the casino cartel is what they’re doing.

  • KevBaile

    @Olhausen said...

    Nope because I only use 10 lineup’s a night which is hardly mass entry. Do I think some things need to be cleaned up in Dfs? Yes I do. But to say you can’t win because of other players mass multi entering lineup’s is total bs. I started with 25$ and grew my bankroll by learning and getting better everyday. Towards the end of the season I found myself in the top 50-100 in the moonshot quite a few times. I took the solo shot down just last week for the second time this season and I’ve been doing it with ten lineup’s so I could care less how many entries or scripts these other players have. Instead I’m planning on spending more time at getting even better instead of making excuses as to why or why not I could win more. Fact is these Gpp’s are very winnable if you know what you’re doing. My Problem is most of the people complaining about the Sharks wouldn’t be winning regardless of them having hundreds of lineup’s because you’d still be competing with players like me who don’t mass multi enter or use scripts but are still just better at playing Dfs. It just really gets to me when I see players who aren’t good and don’t put in the time wanting everything changed to make it easier for them to win. When in fact these players still won’t win regardless of what happens because they will still be playing the same players that are better then them now.

    This is perfect, and mirrors my experience, though you’ve been quite a bit more profitable than I have, it seems. During MLB on DK (I started playing on August 1), I would do my research and find maybe 4-6 promising stacks, and a list of about 3-5 pitchers to use on top of those stacks. My biggest score was $1500 from 6th place in a moonshot where first was $100K. (I finished only ~6 pts away from the $100K.) Working hard at the research side of things (both my own and reading some industry articles) has kept me profitable through the football season as well. (Bit of a down cycle for the last couple weeks, but this week has started off pretty well.)

    Anyways, I say all that to say this: I’m with you. If all the sharks left, the people crying the loudest about the game being “rigged” would STILL lose to guys like you (more often) and guys like me (less often), just because they want to do 10 minutes of research, throw a team together, and win $1 million.

  • rsigler65

    @loured said...

    We as players need to get together and let these Politicians know we want DFS left alone. A petition needs to be drafted and distributed for each state, With all the players we should be able to make an impact. Unlike Poker we are “legal” so its just a matter of leaving things alone at the state level and letting the Feds regulate it like the lotto etc.. If we sit back DFS will be a memory…

    I think it’s a great idea to lobby the politicians, but it’s gonna be rough without any public support thanks to the slimy add campaign blitz. Petitions and letters or position papers put in envelops and mailed to each senator/representative – or hell – even hand delivered to the offices in DC could go a long way. This in conjunction with a mass call-in to the congressional offices could do wonders – but again, the problem is we relatively few DFS’ers are the only one’s who would call in because the rest of the public thinks we suck. Maybe a new add campaign that focuses on educating the public (as stated earlier) can help mitigate this.

  • Putz

    @rsigler65 said...

    Maybe a new add campaign that focuses on educating the public (as stated earlier) can help mitigate this.

    Or an add campaign that exposes that the casinos and casino funded agenda-driven congressman are behind this push, among other things.

  • iSplashRollz

    More in depth

    http://www.legalsportsreport.com/5173/nevada-says-dfs-is-gambling/

  • shark61350

    @gibbathy said...

    Am I right to think Oregon might fall soon?

    I don’t think so. We do have legal weed & a “Right to Die Law” so Oregon is chill. Then again we do have a casino.

    Vigilantes welcome to Portland! If I was you I might expand your search a bit. Real estate is booming and those parts of town are either at their highest price point saturation or soon will be. If you are looking to make money in the real estate game glance toward FOPO.

    Portland is magical & the rain is good for you. Vitamin D is completely overrated.

  • Jason10

    Are Massachusetts and New York the safest states? Because DK and FD are located there, respectfully?

  • phillydave1

    To those saying you can simply “travel to a different state” that is not how it works. They disabled my account today. I e-mailed them and you need a state ID and also a utility bill tying you to an address in that state. Not like a cell phone bill. A proxy is totally irrelevant. The account is locked. You are 100% done if you are in Nevada.

  • iSplashRollz

    NY has a casino so who knows

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Yet it’s perfectly fine to have an App Store filled with predatory “games” fueled by micro-transactions.

    I’ve been so upset all day, if the thought of losing DFS wasn’t bad enough, the misinformation in the media and the guise that this is being done in the people’s best interest is going to make my head explode.
    Even worse since I haven’t really heard competent voices in the media stepping up and trying to turn the tide.

  • Sjolly83

    I would advise anyone in Nevada to not try any work around a it simply is not worth it. It seems a lot of people on here haven’t had many dealings with the legal system…. It gives zero fux about you and will seize your assests.

  • Putz

    @Sjolly83 said...

    I would advise anyone in Nevada to not try any work around a it simply is not worth it. It seems a lot of people on here haven’t had many dealings with the legal system…. It gives zero fux about you and will seize your assests.

    Where did it say it was illegal to play in Nevada? The sites did this preemptively, not Nevada. Nevada said the sites need a license to operate in Nevada and mentioned nothing about the players.

  • Sjolly83

    Unlicensed gambling is illegal in Nevada

  • Putz

    @Sjolly83 said...

    Unlicensed gambling is illegal in Nevada

    To run a “pool” or to play?

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    @Putz said...

    1. Just curious since this was not previously answered, what could Nevada do to a site operating in another state? What could it do to the players? Looks like nothing.

    I am not sure why the sites are self-prohibiting players in Nevada just to play it safe, because unlike other states, they did not say playing was illegal. The notice was by the gaming commission requiring a license to operate in their state, not banning people from playing on severs located in another state. Someone mentioned, wouldn’t this fall under federal jurisdiction due to interstate commerce? The servers are in another state outside of Nevada, I assume. I’m no lawyer, but someone with a better understanding please learn me. Wouldn’t FD and DK want to say FU and have proceedings pushed outside the state and have this fall under the Feds and the UIGEA? Since the servers are in a state where it is not prohibited and don’t require a license to host, what laws of Nevada are they breaking?

    If a company sells or offers a product to a resident of a state, that company is doing business in that state. It doesn’t matter where the company itself is located. That state’s laws and regulations still apply.

    Any challenge of the recent determination in Nevada would have to take place in Nevada state court.

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    @Putz said...

    Where did it say it was illegal to play in Nevada? The sites did this preemptively, not Nevada. Nevada said the sites need a license to operate in Nevada and mentioned nothing about the players.

    Right. The sites need a license. That’s why they backed off, because they don’t have said license.

    The Nevada players wouldn’t have any problems playing DFS, the sites would be the parties getting in trouble for offering DFS to those Nevada players.

  • Sjolly83

    @Zieg30 said...

    Right. The sites need a license. That’s why they backed off, because they don’t have said license.

    The Nevada players wouldn’t have any problems playing DFS, the sites would be the parties getting in trouble for offering DFS to those Nevada players.

    Ok you guys go with that … I am not speaking of criminal charges against the bettor which wouldn’t happen but about your money being taken

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    @Sjolly83 said...

    Ok you guys go with that … I am not speaking of criminal charges against the bettor which wouldn’t happen but about your money being taken

    I wasn’t responding to your post. I was explaining to Putz why the sites backed off.

  • Putz

    @Zieg30 said...

    Right. The sites need a license. That’s why they backed off, because they don’t have said license.

    The Nevada players wouldn’t have any problems playing DFS, the sites would be the parties getting in trouble for offering DFS to those Nevada players.

    Right, but what trouble would the sites be in, their servers are in another state, operating there legally? Whose jurisdiction would it be? Fed? Then they pull up the UIGEA and located in MAss, then tell the FU.

  • Putz

    @Zieg30 said...

    If a company sells or offers a product to a resident of a state, that company is doing business in that state. It doesn’t matter where the company itself is located. That state’s laws and regulations still apply.

    Any challenge of the recent determination in Nevada would have to take place in Nevada state court.

    Just saw this. Makes a little bit of sense. So they should file an injunction?

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    @Putz said...

    Just saw this. Makes a little bit of sense. So they should file an injunction?

    I’m not sure what the legal grounds would be for an injunction.

  • Putz

    @Zieg30 said...

    I’m not sure what the legal grounds would be for an injunction.

    Poor definition, more time discussion. Not sure, lawyers make up some of the weirdest shit to make $$.

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