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  • y2mulder

    Tweet: ‏@howardstutz 3 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Nevada Gaming Control Board bans daily fantasy sports websites from Nevada. Says it’s gambling Story coming @reviewjournal #RJnow

    Letter: http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=10481

  • BobGrinder

    @Putz said...

    Right, but what trouble would the sites be in, their servers are in another state, operating there legally? Whose jurisdiction would it be? Fed? Then they pull up the UIGEA and located in MAss, then tell the FU.

    Stop pointing to the UIGEA like it expressly legalizes DFS, it does not. The UIGEA only protects DFS from itself and in part states:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5361

    (b) Rule of Construction.— No provision of this subchapter shall be construed as altering, limiting, or extending any Federal or State law or Tribal-State compact prohibiting, permitting, or regulating gambling within the United States.

  • Putz

    @BobGrinder said...

    Stop pointing to the UIGEA like it expressly legalizes DFS, it does not. The UIGEA only protects DFS from itself and in part states:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5361

    (b) Rule of Construction.— No provision of this subchapter shall be construed as altering, limiting, or extending any Federal or State law or Tribal-State compact prohibiting, permitting, or regulating gambling within the United States.

    WTF are you talking about? Never said it did. How many times are you going to post that? My point was moving this out of a state to federal, where one has a better chance of using this language to argue it is a game of skill vs. Nevada lame justification.

  • theseige

    • 2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    Until a state that isn’t in the casinos pocket, on verge of bankruptcy, or has no income tax bans DFS I’m not gonna be worried (Note we should notice how ridiculous it is that all these government groups want to kill US led businesses… no wonder we are in a recession)

  • BobGrinder

    @Putz said...

    WTF are you talking about? Never said it did. How many times are you going to post that? My point was moving this out of a state to federal, where one has a better chance of using this language to argue it is a game of skill vs. Nevada lame justification.

    I’m going to keep posting it until you understand what it says, that it in no way affects state laws in regards to gambling.

    The third district court (federal court) has already ruled that:

    “It bears repeating that the Act itself does not make any gambling activity illegal,” wrote Sloviter. “Whether the transaction…constitutes unlawful Internet gambling turns on how the law of the state from which the bettor initiates the bet would treat that bet, i.e. if it is illegal under that state’s law, it constitutes ‘unlawful Internet gambling’ under the Act.”

    http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/7501-poker-s-uigea-upheld-by-u-s-3rd-circuit-court

    And the second district court has already ruled that:

    “the question of whether skill or chance predominates in poker is inapposite to this appeal . . . [because] [t]he language of the statute is clear that it contains only three requirements . . . all of which were met in this case.” Those three requirements are as follows: 1) the gambling business violates the law of the state in which the business is conducted; (2) the business involves five or more persons who conduct, finance, manage, supervise, direct, or own all or part of such business; and (3) the business has been or remains in substantially continuous operation for a period in excess of thirty days or has a gross revenue of $2,000 in any single day. It was not in dispute that these three requirements were met in the case of DiCristina and, under New York law, courts have long considered that poker contains a sufficient element of chance to constitute gambling. See N.Y. Penal Law Section 225.00(2).

    It is important to note that the Circuit Court did not disagree with the District Court’s finding that poker is primarily a game of skill; it just did not believe that such a finding was relevant or necessary to enforce the IGBA.

    http://www.kleinmoynihan.com/federal-appeals-court-reverses-the-dicristina-verdict-and-finds-that-poker-violates-the-igba/

    Forget the skill vs chance argument it’s pointless. The wager is what makes it gambling. The issue that needs to be pushed is that if any forms of gambling are allowed then ALL forms of gambling should be allowed.

  • wolfshield

    What happens to DFS Championships that are being hosted at Las Vegas casinos?

  • BobGrinder

    @wolfshield said...

    What happens to DFS Championships that are being hosted at Las Vegas casinos?

    They are being moved.

  • asudude430

    So.. Again, seems the solution for Nevada residents is to pay for a high quality VPN, and simply use an address in an unrestricted state right?

    They have already stated they would not target residents of Nevada, and if you win some huge tourney, just make sure the persons address you used, claims it right?

    It is inconvenient for sure for us Nevadans, but entirely doable at the same time

  • fetchmeabeer

    Any Nevada residents still alive in Fan Duel’s $250,000 survivor?

    So, I live in Las Vegas, and I have advanced to round 3 of the survivor tournament. I assumed that since this is a preexisting entry, I would still be allowed to play the contest to its conclusion. However, I just checked my upcoming entries and it tells me the entry has been canceled. Needless to say, I’m a little bit furious. Not only am I not allowed to play anymore, but I’m being prematurely eliminated from a contest that I entered three weeks ago. I’ve sent an e-mail to Fan Duel, still waiting for a response. Any thoughts? Anyone else in a similar situation?

  • Linsanity88

    @asudude430 said...

    So.. Again, seems the solution for Nevada residents is to pay for a high quality VPN, and simply use an address in an unrestricted state right?

    They have already stated they would not target residents of Nevada, and if you win some huge tourney, just make sure the persons address you used, claims it right?

    It is inconvenient for sure for us Nevadans, but entirely doable at the same time

    Not a good idea. Most likely sites will require some sort of proof that you’ve moved out of Nevada to re-open your account for play. If you get caught playing within the state you’d risk having your entire account balance get confiscated (it’s happened to US poker players that tried to use VPN to play from within that states on PokerStars after Black Friday).

  • Mouth411

    If you are a California resident with a California based Draftkings account but are visiting Vegas for the weekend are you allowed to play on Draftkings?

  • WuChef1986

    Add Florida , yahoo just pulled out as well… If yahoo of all companies is gone, DK and FD will be gone any hour/day in FL

    FUCK

  • WuChef1986

    Dear Yahoo User,

    Due to positions recently expressed by government authorities concerning paid Daily Fantasy Sports (DFS) in your state, Yahoo will suspend offering paid DFS contests to residents pending further review. Any entries you have for upcoming contests will be canceled and those entry fees will be refunded.

    Contests that are already under way will be allowed to finish. You will continue to have full access to your account to withdraw funds. You will not be able to add funds or enter new paid contests.

    We apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your patronage.

    Yahoo Sports Daily Fantasy Team
    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy

  • WuChef1986

    @Mouth411 said...

    If you are a California resident with a California based Draftkings account but are visiting Vegas for the weekend are you allowed to play on Draftkings?

    have to set lineups/ enter contests before you get into nevada

  • WuChef1986

    @Mouth411 said...

    If you are a California resident with a California based Draftkings account but are visiting Vegas for the weekend are you allowed to play on Draftkings?

    have to set lineups/ enter contests before you get into nevada

  • Putz

    @BobGrinder said...

    I’m going to keep posting it until you understand what it says, that it in no way affects state laws in regards to gambling.

    The third district court (federal court) has already ruled that:

    “It bears repeating that the Act itself does not make any gambling activity illegal,” wrote Sloviter. “Whether the transaction…constitutes unlawful Internet gambling turns on how the law of the state from which the bettor initiates the bet would treat that bet, i.e. if it is illegal under that state’s law, it constitutes ‘unlawful Internet gambling’ under the Act.”

    http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/7501-poker-s-uigea-upheld-by-u-s-3rd-circuit-court

    And the second district court has already ruled that:

    “the question of whether skill or chance predominates in poker is inapposite to this appeal . . . [because] [t]he language of the statute is clear that it contains only three requirements . . . all of which were met in this case.” Those three requirements are as follows: 1) the gambling business violates the law of the state in which the business is conducted; (2) the business involves five or more persons who conduct, finance, manage, supervise, direct, or own all or part of such business; and (3) the business has been or remains in substantially continuous operation for a period in excess of thirty days or has a gross revenue of $2,000 in any single day. It was not in dispute that these three requirements were met in the case of DiCristina and, under New York law, courts have long considered that poker contains a sufficient element of chance to constitute gambling. See N.Y. Penal Law Section 225.00(2).

    It is important to note that the Circuit Court did not disagree with the District Court’s finding that poker is primarily a game of skill; it just did not believe that such a finding was relevant or necessary to enforce the IGBA.

    http://www.kleinmoynihan.com/federal-appeals-court-reverses-the-dicristina-verdict-and-finds-that-poker-violates-the-igba/

    Forget the skill vs chance argument it’s pointless. The wager is what makes it gambling. The issue that needs to be pushed is that if any forms of gambling are allowed then ALL forms of gambling should be allowed.

    I am going to repeat that… I never said the UIGEA explicitly made fantasy sports legal, nor argued that state laws trump federal laws,or definitions of gambling, etc. You are barking up the wrong tree. I simply asked questions based on the scenario for interstate commerce, which someone clearly answered for me and explained well.You seem confused.

  • fetchmeabeer

    I live in Nevada. FanDuel has canceled all of my preexisting tournament entries without refunding any of my buy-ins. Also, I had advanced to the third round of the $250,000 survivor tournament, they removed me from that as well, with no refund or compensation. In addition, they inexplicably removed money from my account leaving me with a -$9.75 balance. I have sent several emails to them asking about these issues over the past three days, and I’ve received no response other than a form letter referencing me to the NGCB ruling. If you have money on FanDuel, proceed with caution. If you live in a state that is on the cusp of banning them, you would be wise to cash out whatever money you have asap.

  • Putz

    Why wouldn’t they refund your buy ins? Did you use FD points to enter?

  • tmarohl

    Did you see this?

    You may have seen the news that the Nevada Gaming Control Board has banned daily fantasy sports sites like FanDuel and decided that only incumbent Nevada casinos may offer daily fantasy sports in Nevada. We believe we have always operated within the law and will continue to do so while working with officials to remedy this situation.

    In the interim, regrettably, we are forced to cease operations in Nevada and will no longer be offering competitions in the state. All users in the state will still be able to make full withdrawals from their accounts. This will impact current contests as follows:

    Any Nevada user who was entered into an upcoming contest prior to restrictions being put in place (before 10/15) will have their entries cancelled prior to games starting and will receive a refund.
    Any Nevada user who was already entered into a multi-day contest that is still live will not have their results counted and will receive a refund for the entry.
    However, Nevada entries will still appear in live scoring. At the conclusion of the contests, non-Nevada winners will initially be paid out for the position their entry finished in with Nevada entries still included.
    The day after settlement (Saturday for CFB and MLB contests, Tuesday for NFL contests) all non-Nevada winners who actually finished in a higher position after Nevada entries were removed will receive additional payments for any difference in winnings.
    For Nevada users who won a ticket to an upcoming contest and have already been entered, we will credit those entries separately.

  • BobGrinder

    I hope you get this all straightened out without too much trouble, please let us know what happens.

  • fetchmeabeer

    Yes, tmarohl, I’m not stupid. That’s almost verbatim the form letter they sent me in regards to my emails. The problem is, I have not received ANY refunds or compensation of any kind. AND, as i said in my original post, they also inexplicably removed money from my account, in addition to canceling my entries. And I’ve received no response to any emails, other than the form letter that you just posted. I spoke briefly to live support yesterday morning, and they assured me that my account balance would be remedied later that afternoon. Fast forward a day and a half later, still no response from support, and still no remedy.

    I would also like to point out that I played on Draft Kings as well. When the NGCB ruling came down, they canceled my upcoming entries as well, but they IMMEDIATELY refunded my buyins. Also, I was already entered in a contest that had already started. They allowed that entry to stand until the completion of the contest. FanDuel, however, decided to remove me from a contest that started 3 weeks ago, with no refund or compensation whatsoever.

  • BobGrinder

    @Putz said...

    I am going to repeat that… I never said the UIGEA explicitly made fantasy sports legal, nor argued that state laws trump federal laws,or definitions of gambling, etc. You are barking up the wrong tree. I simply asked questions based on the scenario for interstate commerce, which someone clearly answered for me and explained well.You seem confused

    If I misunderstand you then I’m sorry Putz but your statement “Then they pull up the UIGEA and located in MAss, then tell the FU.” Seemed to say to me that all they have to do is point to the UIGEA as a leg to stand on. Honestly I don’t know what else that statement could possibly be suggesting.

  • fetchmeabeer

    No, I did not use FD points to enter.

  • alomar15

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel CFB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Fanduel refunded me fully for all my contest and I already have the funds in my paypal account

  • fetchmeabeer

    Well, alomar15, I wish I could say the same.

  • deactivated70850

    Respectively, I think it’s appropriate to have a civil discussion in relation to the recent article.

    What do people think of this? Feel free to post your thoughts below.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/19/sports/draftkings-continues-to-operate-in-nevada.html

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