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  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    We are always trying new things here at RotoGrinders, and are very excited to start offering up an easy way for you to find DFS Coaching!

    We are starting off small with trustworthy names you see and read here everyday, 2-time Million Dollar Winner Dave Potts (cheeseisgood) and myself as featured coaches with two very different offerings at both price point and specialties, and are very interested in adding other coaches if the demand is there.

    Feel free to check it out here:

    RotoGrinders Coaching Directory

    Don’t hesitate to DM either Dave or myself about our offerings or anything involved in coaching, and if you would like to become featured as a listed coach here on RotoGrinders, do not hesitate to email support@rotogrinders.com as we try to get a feel for the demand of our new coaching offering and build a list of those interested.

    Now you can finally get one on one time with some of your favorite writers and hosts here at RotoGrinders and beyond if all goes well!

    This is a trial run to see if the demand is there to make this a full time offering here at RotoGrinders, so make sure to chime in to the coaches or to support on any questions or concerns you may have.

    Thanks everyone and can’t wait to hear back!

    -Brit


    Admin Note: RotoGrinders is currently trial testing this marketing platform. We are working with two of our writers, CheeseIsGood and BritDevine, during this period to gauge if this is a service we want to continue to offer on RG. If you’re interested in either being listed as a coach, or want to give your feedback from a student or user’s perspective, then please email support{at}rotogrinders.com!

  • MrFantasy

    @tvsfrink said...

    The good news is the market will decide if they have overpriced their services or not.

    Very true. I don’t think the prices that both Brit or Dave have listed are unfair at all. But as RotoGrinders expands on their offering, most players should be required to post their winrates/graphs etc.

  • PigskinaBlanket

    • 406

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    • x3

      2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    Coaching typically isnt an ongoing thing. Investing $300-$500 for a package may be worth its weight in gold, or it may be lighting money on fire. The success depends not only on the content coming from the coach, but also the player’s ability to learn what is being taught and effectively implement those teachings to their approach.

    There are also arrangements out there that charge a percent of profits for a period of time – rather than an hourly rate. Its the beginning of a new era, and we will see where it takes us. Many people have been doing coaching in certain sports – this just gives it more publicity and formalizes it a bit.

  • Cameron

    RG Co-Founder

    • 2014 FanDuel NFL Survivor Champion

    • 2016 RG Season Long Champion: NFL


    Admin Note: RotoGrinders is currently trial testing this marketing platform. We are working with two of our writers, CheeseIsGood and BritDevine, during this period to gauge if this is a service we want to continue to offer on RG. If you’re interested in either being listed as a coach, or want to give your feedback from a student or user’s perspective, then please email support{at}rotogrinders.com!

  • KillaChap

    How much to just buy a well researched lineup? Ha, I kid. I personally can’t afford to throw this sort of money around but people complaining about the cost can do one thing to show they think it’s too high; don’t pay it. If there’s enough of you that won’t the market will cause the price to go down. On the other hand, if there’s enough willing to pay it, and are winning because of it, it’s going to sky rocket and you’re going to wish you got it for $75/hr. Call me crazy but I’d take the opportunity to learn from a dude that has made $2 mil over the last 2 years (at least) if I could.

  • tipandpick

    • 2016 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • 2014 FAFC Champion

    @bowens1984 said...

    $75 an hour is like a 150K per year salary, is that what you honestly think a DFS coach should make?

    Or a 300K salary for the $150 an hour high stakes.

    Thats mind blowing pricing.

    A high-quality tutor for college prep exams generally ranges from $100-$200 per hour. Having tutored for college entrance exams and taught Biology and Microbiology at the collegiate level for over a decade, I can tell you that any individual offering personalized one-on-one tutoring should be (and likely is) putting additional effort into the sessions outside of the hour they interact with the student. To extrapolate these rates into a 40-hour a week career is inaccurate and disingenuous.

    When the smoke clears, the market will dictate the pricing on personalized DFS instruction. If Cheese and/or Brit don’t get any students (it sounds like they have), their rates will fall to a point where students will enroll or the return on their investment (i.e., time) is no longer worth offering the service. The rates I’m seeing are in line with some of the rates I remember seeing for professional personalized poker instruction back in the day, so I think they’re entirely reasonable.

    If I were to tutor NFL (my strongest DFS sport), the asking rate would at least what Cheese is charging and I’m somewhat confident there would be takers at that price. If I’m wrong, I’m OK with that because anything less than that would not be worth my time during an otherwise lucrative time of year for me; I’m guessing that both Brit and Cheese have generated their asking rates for MLB in a similar manner. #Capitalism

  • theseige

    • 2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    This thread probably isn’t a good indication of the demand out there for coaching as anyone who has an interest is just going to DM the coach directly and those who don’t like it will post here.

    DFS as we know is a skill game and coaching can help you improve your skill and make you better

  • wcollier214

  • bowens1984

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • RG Season Champion: NBA

    The only people defending this pricing are paid by Rotogrinders. If you are paying $75 an hour for low stakes how are you making enough to both pay for this and beat rake?

  • bowens1984

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    • RG Season Champion: NBA

    @tipandpick said...

    A high-quality tutor for college prep exams generally ranges from $100-$200 per hour. Having tutored for college entrance exams and taught Biology and Microbiology at the collegiate level for over a decade, I can tell you that any individual offering personalized one-on-one tutoring should be (and likely is) putting additional effort into the sessions outside of the hour they interact with the student. To extrapolate these rates into a 40-hour a week career is inaccurate and disingenuous.

    When the smoke clears, the market will dictate the pricing on personalized DFS instruction. If Cheese and/or Brit don’t get any students (it sounds like they have), their rates will fall to a point where students will enroll or the return on their investment (i.e., time) is no longer worth offering the service. The rates I’m seeing are in line with some of the rates I remember seeing for professional personalized poker instruction back in the day, so I think they’re entirely reasonable.

    If I were to tutor NFL (my strongest DFS sport), the asking rate would at least what Cheese is charging and I’m somewhat confident there would be takers at that price. If I’m wrong, I’m OK with that because anything less than that would not be worth my time during an otherwise lucrative time of year for me; I’m guessing that both Brit and Cheese have generated their asking rates for MLB in a similar manner. #Capitalism

    If you are paying that for college tutoring then likely your end goal is a bit higher than being a low stakes dfs player, I dont see how it is comparable at all

  • yeahthisiscuddy

    @bowens1984 said...

    The only people defending this pricing are paid by Rotogrinders. If you are paying $75 an hour for low stakes how are you making enough to both pay for this and beat rake?

    Whether or not it’s ultimately profitable for the customer is kind of irrelevant for the coach. Gotta make that money while you can.

    In case it wasn’t already apparent by the number of pros turning tout with their optimizers and seminars and whatnot, it’s now fairly clear that the increased rake and level of competition is killing the pros P&L. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Good luck to all.

  • bdub02

    I think most of you are completely undervaluing this service. One on one coaching in anything is going to be costly. If you think it’s too costly then simply don’t pay for it.

  • steelcitydozer

    Just stack Coors every available opportunity.
    Boom that one is free
    P.s. never fade kershaw

  • BennyRamirez

    @bowens1984 said...

    $75 an hour is like a 150K per year salary, is that what you honestly think a DFS coach should make?

    Or a 300K salary for the $150 an hour high stakes.

    Thats mind blowing pricing.

    Show our work?

    I assume you calculated 75*40*50, which is missing a variable or twenty.

  • britdevine

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Just a heads up we have added in Dean and Seige to the list here on RotoGrinders!

  • SelfCharmer

    Only just stumbled across this thread, unfortunately no coaches for sports I am interested in but I definitely think that Coaches are +EV in DFS.

    People arguing about the pricing, you are assuming that you want to pay for 3/4 hrs a week for a long time, the aim is not to do anything like that, maybe you would need 4/5 hrs total to really elevate your DFS game, as the steepest part of your curve will be in the early stages of learning. The price points are completely spot on, maybe even a little cheap. They cannot price it based on your Bankroll, they price it based on how they value their time. If you paid $500 for coaching, they could easily earn you that back and plenty more with your improved DFS game.

    Seems like a lot of people want as much as possible for as little $$/effort as possible…

  • wolfjb1

    I paid for coaching and it’s been more than profitable for me. CJ helped me a lot and continues to help.

  • sonicattack

    @wolfjb1 said...

    I paid for coaching and it’s been more than profitable for me. CJ helped me a lot and continues to help.

    What kind of player are you? Cash, GPP, both? Low stakes, high stakes, single entry, multiple entry?

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